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Kismit

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So.... is it wrong that I am concerned that the current political situation in America is gradually spiraling into a religious stand off.

With Trump being strongly represented by,as well as being a representative of the Christian Faithful. 

More and more I see, read, and hear religious quotes or people talking about prayer in regards to Trump. It worries me because segregation and feelings of rightful superiority for any race/religion is dangerous. 

 

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I totally understand your concerns.  A lot of us on  the outside looking in are concerned, too.

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I have actually discussed that with my daughter.  I am worried about the state of things.  It's like we can see what is a great possibility of our future and there is nothing we can do about it.

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It seems bizarre to me that politics and Christianity are so intertwined in the US.

In Britain, much of the talk regarding reform of the House of Lords has been aimed at divorcing the Anglican Church from The State.

As things stand, no overtly non-Christian candidate could ever hope to be elected President of the USA.

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Frank Merton

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I have to say that although I believe in freedom of religion and freedom of immigration, the behavior of the Muslims in Rotterdam, rioting at the behest of a foreign leader (rapidly making himself into dictator), is disturbing.  Once you emigrate, the local politics back home, while of interest, would be no basis for such behavior.

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There's a constitutional firewall between church and state, yet religion still manages to influence politics to a degree not seen in other developed countries.  Indeed, listening to politicians invoke religion every time they speak is oftentimes akin to attending a revival. No thanks.

Religion should be in the private, not public, sphere. Politics involves the wider community —  a community where views on issues, including religion, are extremely diverse. A civil society cannot be sustained if particular brands of religious and moral viewpoints drive policy.  Religious arguments have no place in a public debate among citizens with every variety of belief and disbelief.

The rightful superiority of any race/religion is indeed dangerous. We've seen, and are seeing, the consequences of it: racism, xenophobia, the denial of women's rights, the opposition of gay rights, not to mention attacks on certain religious groups. So much for freedom for all.

It is disgusting, divisive, and beyond comprehension.

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Paranormal Gal

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America was founded on christian belief. Threw the years people of all religions have tried to use there beliefs to get what they want. As for Trump what he is saying about isis is true.They hate Americans and anyone who does not think like them. I believe everyone has a right to believe in any religion they want.And if you don't believe in a higher power that is your right also.But when you got a group of animals who kill for not converting to what they believe they need to be taken down. No one wants yet another war. I seen enough. But sometimes you have to what you have to do.

 

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Kismit

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I agree that people have a right to believe what ever they choose to, so long as that belief is not to the detriment of others.

But when the beliefs lean towards fundamentalism  should we accept them? What happens when politics and religion especially fundamentalist religions mix?

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44 minutes ago, Paranormal Gal said:

America was founded on christian belief. Threw the years people of all religions have tried to use there beliefs to get what they want. As for Trump what he is saying about isis is true.They hate Americans and anyone who does not think like them. I believe everyone has a right to believe in any religion they want.And if you don't believe in a higher power that is your right also.But when you got a group of animals who kill for not converting to what they believe they need to be taken down. No one wants yet another war. I seen enough. But sometimes you have to what you have to do.

America was not founded on Christian belief. That is a myth. Furthermore, we were never meant to be a nation ruled by theocracy. The Founding Fathers deliberately created a secular government,  because they were only too aware of the problems and dangers inherent in a state-church union.

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Paranormal Gal

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I didn't mean that because you have a religious beliefs that you can in a government position that you can do as you wish. Sorry if i worded it wrong. As for the foundation was based on Christianity it was said back in the day at school. My self i think the government plays us all like fools.They tell us what we want to hear run with it. All sitting presidents have done to the country no certain religion should be any part of running a country. I just think over the years it just gets more fudged up after each year.

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Space Commander Travis

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With Trump being strongly represented by,as well as being a representative of the Christian Faithful. 

I think the only thing he has any strong faith in is himself. He may well have used the religious angle as a way of gaining votes, of course, but that's what politicians or would-be politicians have always done, isn't it. 

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Space Commander Travis

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21 hours ago, Frank Merton said:

I have to say that although I believe in freedom of religion and freedom of immigration, the behavior of the Muslims in Rotterdam, rioting at the behest of a foreign leader (rapidly making himself into dictator), is disturbing.  Once you emigrate, the local politics back home, while of interest, would be no basis for such behavior.

Who's that? Tr*mp is ordering Muslims to riot now in order to give him ammunition to use against them? Conspiracy on the starboard bow! 

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3 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

I think the only thing he has any strong faith in is himself. He may well have used the religious angle as a way of gaining votes, of course, but that's what politicians or would-be politicians have always done, isn't it. 

I fully agree with this statement

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The Neo-Cons scare the flip (B)) out of me!

It seems regressive, and strangely medieval, to base your policies on some mythical religious utopia.

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The neo-cons are frightening. Anyone who believes they are righteous in their desire to demonize others based on colour, sexual orientation or place of birth, is dangerous.

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Space Commander Travis

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14 minutes ago, Kismit said:

The neo-cons are frightening. Anyone who believes they are righteous in their desire to demonize others based on colour, sexual orientation or place of birth, is dangerous.

To be fair to the neocons though (and that';s not something you often say), people do tend to have always believed that thru history and pre-history. Certainly since the nation state and organised religion was invented.

I'm being controversial, aren't I.

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Devils advocate Manfred. You are right. In fact, if we take a look at history, we can map out where strict religious ideals where taught to the pagan and heathen locals over time, by religious extremists who had the right god on their side.

I dislike religion with a Passion.

I think if Jesus was alive today he would hide from some of his followers.

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aka CAT

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Politicians are known for hypocritically pandering, i.e. superficially appealing to every possible group for support. 

No group has a monopoly on violence while peace, to a muslim, is submission to Islam.  Though I and all of the

Christians I know are peace keepers, I've stated before the fact that I’d sooner be dead than live under Sharia.

 

P.S. Kismet, I don't know why your concern about religion and government is solely focused on the USA when,

years ago (maybe still), New Zealand openly favored Protestant immigrants for naturalization.

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You get me wrong AkaCat. I dislike religion, full stop. I do not dislike Christianity. Many Christians are lovely, Christian values are quite sincerly good. I do not dislike Muslums, Shiites, Anglicans, Protestants, Catholics or churches.

I dislike the separatism practiced by religion. I hate with a Passion any view that states unless you are with us you are against us. I hate with a passion the idea that somebody born Gay is considered an abomination. It's genetic and it's not wrong.

I dislike religion as a separatist values system.

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Space Commander Travis

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2 hours ago, Kismit said:

You get me wrong AkaCat. I dislike religion, full stop. I do not dislike Christianity. Many Christians are lovely, Christian values are quite sincerly good. I do not dislike Muslums, Shiites, Anglicans, Protestants, Catholics or churches.

I dislike the separatism practiced by religion. I hate with a Passion any view that states unless you are with us you are against us. I hate with a passion the idea that somebody born Gay is considered an abomination. It's genetic and it's not wrong.

I dislike religion as a separatist values system.

As M. K Gandhi said, I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” 

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Much as I favor separation of church and state, I see this said separatism as a non-issue.  

Societies need mores.  Those in my country seem sufficiently lax insofar as consenting adults are concerned.  Granted that not everything that goes on behind closed doors is 'my cup of tea,' others' private lives are nobody else's business so long as there are no victims involved.

Beyond that, people will think what people will think.  Some of them will be deceived.  Yet, even those who most dread the 'herd mentality' are usually sufficiently influenced to be misled.

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16 minutes ago, Manfred von Dreidecker said:

As M. K Gandhi said, I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” 

Christ is perfect, we are flawed.

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Space Commander Travis

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This is a senior neocon

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What an unpleasant lump of lard.  

A piece worth reading here: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/03/15/the-kagans-are-back-wars-to-follow/

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"New York Times columnist Thomas L. Friedman spoke for many of this group when he compared Russia’s alleged “meddling” to Japan’s bombing of Pearl Harbor and Al Qaeda’s 9/11 terror attacks.

On MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” show, Friedman demanded that the Russia hacking allegations be treated as a casus belli: “That was a 9/11 scale event. They attacked the core of our democracy. That was a Pearl Harbor scale event.”  

 

 

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