(NOTE: The line of questioning I pursue in this transcript may seem as mysterious to all of you at first, as it does to Dr. 58, as you shall see. But this is the beginning of gathering some key information I need to know to work my mischief on the Man Thing Entity and to eventually free Gefraim.
Before I conducted this session with Dr. 58, I was able to gain some "inside information" on the true nature of the Hassas Grid -- which gave me the beginning key and method I had been searching for to get at the Man Thing Entity.
Anyway, bare with me, as all will come clear as the transcripts continue to play out.)
Opening statement: Dr. 58? We seek communication with Dr. 58. Will you attend?
Question: Do we speak with Dr. 58?
Question: Dr. 58, are you ready at this time to tell us your real name?
Question: At least tell us what is behind this strange idenity you choose, that of Dr. 58?
ANSWER: DO YOU ATTEMPT A HEX?
Question: No! Weíre just curious. Dr. 58, I know it makes you uncomfortable for us to know more than you want us to know about you. Let me ask you this: How is Old Cave doing? Have you seen him recently?
ANSWER: OLD CAVE INHABITS THE STREETS.
Question: Yes, yes indeed. Tell us, Dr. 58, is there anything you find peculiar about Old Cave, the former Father Reston Vromin?
ANSWER: HE IS AN UNUSAL PERSON, AS I HAVE OFTEN SAID.
Question: Iím sure. Let me tell you something, he is far more unusual than perhaps you might ever imagine. So let me ask you this, Dr. 58. Is there a kind of plant in your world Ė a large vine that produces a fruit or growth upon it surface that resembles a human brain?
ANSWER: IíM NOT EXPERT. I HAVE NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A PLANT.
Question: Have you ever heard legend of such a possible plant existing in Minnesota? A vine that grows human-brain like fruit upon its surface?
Question: When you next see Old Cave, will you ask him if he encountered such a plant, a brain vine, on his travels to Minnesota?
ANSWER: IT IS DANGEROUS. TO SPEAK OF MINNESOTA IS FORBIDDEN.
Question: But you could be clever. Perhaps you could speak in general terms. Ask Old Cave if, on his many travels, if he ever encountered a vine-like plant with brain growths. What do you say?
ANSWER: YOUR COMMENTS ARE TROUBLING.
ANSWER: I HAVE THE FEELING YOU ARE MEDDLING, PERHAPS WORKING A SUBTLE HEX.
Question: Arg! Dr. 58, in our months of association now, have you ever been subject to a hex directed at you from me?
ANSWER: NO. PERHAPS YOU ARE PATIENT.
Question: But what about the Verdantic Mysteries? Arenít enshrouded with some kind of protection derived from Codicil 13 of the Mysteries?
Question: Yes, you are protected by the Verdantic Mysteries, so worry not! Let me ask you this, Dr. 58. In your world, is there a land or country called Greece?
ANSWER: PERHAPS. I AM NOT SURE.
Question: Okay, so I know that a broad area that we call Europe in my realm is made up of the Nazi Reich in your world. To the east of the Reich is The Thralldom. Also, I know that you have a continent to the south which you call Africa, like we do. If you would go north of Africa across what we call the Mediterranean Sea Ė by the way, do you call it the Mediterranean Sea?
ANSWER: THERE IS A VAST BODY OF WATER. I THINK YOU TALK ABOUT QESTER-EN-TAL.
Question: Perhaps. Anyway, does the Nazi Reich extend south to border the vast sea to the south of the continent, the sea which you call the Qester-en-tal?
Question: In our world there are various lands which border the northern shores of the Qester-en-tal, that which we call the Mediterranean. One of them is called Greece. The people who live there are called Greeks. Does this sound familiar to you, Dr. 58?
ANSWER: IíM NOT AN EXPERT. I DONíT THINK SO.
Question: Dr. 58, in the past we have touched upon the events of ancient times in your world, such as Sumer, where your Jesus came from. And then there is your ancient land of Kemit in Africa. In ancient times in our world, this land we call Greece was extremely influential in that much of the philosophical structure of our society was influenced by what the ancient, brilliant people in Greece thought about the nature of the Universe. Do you follow me?
ANSWER: I SUPPOSE. YOU ARE MYSTERIOUS.
Question: Well, in your ancient times, in this area we call Greece, was there ever a brilliant, influential civilization in this location I am talking about?
ANSWER: ANCIENT HISTORY IS COMPLEX. THERE WERE MANY CULTURES.
Question: Yes. Dr. 58, in ancient Greece, there as a great man, a genius, whose name was Aristotle. Does this name have any meaning to you?
Question: Have you ever heard of a man named Plato?
ANSWER: YES, BUT HE WAS NOT A MAN.
Question: What was he?
ANSWER: HE WAS HILIM, OF THAT CLASS.
Question: Can you tell me what the Hilim Class is?
ANSWER: THOSE WHICH ARE DREAM GODS. SOME CALL THEM SHADOW GODS. BRIGHT SHADOWS.
Question: How interesting. Are the Hilim real or something you would consider mythological?
ANSWER: THEY ARE REAL.
Question: Do the Hilim still exist in your world today?
ANSWER: THEY EXIST.
Question: Well, have you ever seen one of these Dream Gods, or those of the Hilim Class, as you call them?
ANSWER: NO ONE IS EVER CERTAIN ABOUT THAT.
Question: Yeesh. Why not? Why canít you be certain about them?
ANSWER IT IS THE NATURE OF THE HILIM. THEIR SUBSTANCE IS NOT THAT OF HUMAN Ö (short pause)Ö KIND.
Question: Well, tell us about a time you think you may have encountered one of the Hilim Class, whether you were certain about it, or not.
ANSWER: TO THINK ABOUT THE HILIM OR TO CONTEMPLATE THE HILIM CAUSES THEM TO PLAY TRICKS ON THE MIND. THEY CAN ONLY BE REMEMBERED IN AN INDIRECT WAY. BUT YOU CANNOT DENY THEIR REALITY.
Question: Wow. Well, what about Plato? Is he still alive?
ANSWER: THERE IS NO WAY OF KNOWING THAT.
Question: Did Plato of the Hilim Class live in ancient times?
ANSWER: YES. HE DWELLED IN PLATON, THE ISLAND IS NAMED FOR HIM. PLATON IS IN THE QESTER-EN-TAL.
Question: Wow! Where is this island? In our world, there is an island called Crete in the Mediterranean, that which you call the Qester-en-tal. Does the name Crete have any meaning to you?
Question: Well, what happens on the island of Platon today? Do human beings live there?
ANSWER: THERE ARE PEOPLE, THERE YES. BUT ALL IS MYSTERIOUS. THIS IS THE REALM OF PLATO. THE ISLAND IS UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE HILIM WAY.
Question: Is there a specific philosophy associated with Plato?
ANSWER: THERE IS PHILOSOPHY ASSOCIATED WITH ALL OF THE HILIM.
Questiion: Can you encapsulate it for us? For example, what is the primary thrust or one of the main tenets of the Hilim philosophy?
ANSWER: THEY ARE DREAM GODS. THEY ARE THE BRIGHT SHADOWS. ONLY PEOPLE OF GREAT KNOWLEDGE DEAL IN HILIM THOUGHT.
Question: This is all very interesting. In our world, Plato was a human being. But I find it intriguing that a primary element of his philosophy suggested that our world was but a shadow of a more ideal or real world. And since you identify Plato as a Ďshadow godí I canít help but make a connection. What do you think, Dr. 58?
ANSWER: I DONíT KNOW WHAT TO THINK. MOST OFTEN, I CONSIDER YOU TO BE MENTALLY UNSTABLE AND YOUR QUESTIONS INANE AND BIZARRE.
Question: Ha! Ha! I get that a lot! Let me ask you this: Do the Hilim have an active relationship with human beings, or do they get involved in world affairs? For example, what do the Hilim think of the Naziís Ė or the Maya?
ANSWER: I DONíT THINK ANYONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE HILIM DO.
Question: Do they influence world events?
ANSWER: NO ONE KNOWS.
Question: Dr. 58, what would you say is at the basis of your fundamental view of reality in your society? What is you system of rational thought based upon?
ANSWER: I DONíT UNDERSTAND YOU.
Question: In your America, what does your society, I mean, the wise people of your world Ė to what civilization do they point to or identify as being the most basic influence on the way you think about the world?
ANSWER: THERE ARE MANY.
Question: Do you know what the alphabet is, Dr. 58?
ANSWER: I THINK I KNOW. YOU SPEAK OF PARTS OF LANGUAGE.
Question: Yes! I use a language called English. It employs and alphabet if 26 discrete units. We use these to make up words. What is your alphabet like? How many fundamental parts does it have?
ANSWER: THE ELEMENTS OF LANGUAGE ARE UNLIMITED.
Question: You do not have a specific, finite set of units in the alphabet which makes up your language?
ANSWER: NO. WHAT YOU SAY IS STRANGE. IT MAKES NO SENSE.
Question: Iíll bet. Let me ask you this, Dr. 58, and please donít think of me as being intrusive. But I have come to determine that the Hassas Grid which you use to communicate is an object of three dimensions, am I correct?
ANSWER: I DONíT UNDERSTAND YOU.
Question: For example, do you sit inside the Hassas Grid? Is it like a large box, or maybe a small that you can sit inside?
ANSWER: YES, I POSITION MYSELF INSIDE THE HASSAS GRID.
Question: Of what material is the Hassas Grid constructed from?
ANSWER: THE VERDANTIC MYSTERIES ARE CLEAR THAT I AM NOT TO DISCUSS THIS.
Question: Thatís okay. I am interested only in general knowledge of the Hassas Grid. Can you tell me what supports the energized ball of oil you employ within the Hassas Grid? I mean, what grounding or structure does your energized ball use to roll around and select the glyphs which communicate what I am saying to you?
ANSWER: I DONíT KNOW HOW IT WORKS. IT MOVES BY A MYSTERIOUS FORCE.
Question: Does it make a sound as it moves with the Hassas Grid?
ANSWER: YOUR QUESTION SEEMS TRIVIAL IN THE EXTREME.
Question: Well, does the ball of oil have physical contact with the Hassas Grid, or does it float, as if defying gravity?
ANSWER: IT IS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND YOU. THE BALL MOVES AMONG THE LATTICE WORKS OF THE GRID.
Question: Certainly, then, there must be a finite space to the Hassas Grid, and therefore, a finite number of glyphs from which it can select Ė which you read to obtain the meaning of my communication. What do you say, Dr. 58?
ANSWER: THE HASSAS GRID HAS STRUCTURE BUT THE GLPHYS HAVE ONLY SYMBOLIC STRUCTURE.
Question: Does each glyph represent a finite meaning or sound?
ANSWER: HOW RIDICULOUS ARE YOUR QUESTIONS! I DONíT THINK ABOUT IT. THE GLPHYS IMPART COMMUNICATION!
Question: Can the meaning of each glyph change, or be different from time to time? Do you understand me?
ANSWER: I AM NOT SURE IF I UNDERSTAND YOU. YOUR QUESTION IS AMAZINGLY TRIVIAL. THE GLYPH IS A MANNER OF SELECTING COMMUNICATION.
Question: But why do you need many different glyphs? This means that each has an individual bit of meaning as distinguished from the other glyphs, right?
ANSWER: YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT THE GLYPHS IN AN ALIEN WAY! YOU ARE A CREATURE OF MINNESOTA! I SHOULD NOT BE SPEAKING WITH YOU!
Question: Whatís the harm? Perhaps I can help expand your mind and world view. What if I were to tell you that the glyphs themselves have no meaning, that they embody nothing, and what meaning they communicate is the meaning that you give to them?
ANSWER: MORE OR YOUR MADNESS.
Question: Am I any more nutty than Old Cave?
ANSWER: YOU BOTH PROJECT THE INFLUENCE OF MINNESOTA.
Question: Yet you seem to hold Old Cave in high esteem. Why are not my ravings as worthy as those of Old Cave?
ANSWER: I DONíT SEE THE POINT OF YOUR QUESTION.
Question: Forget it. What if I were to tell you that my system of communication is a flat board with our own version of the alphabet -- specific glyphs Ė imprinted upon it, and that I use a device which points to each alphabet glyph, and that is how I communicate with you?
ANSWER: I DONíT KNOW WHAT TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
Question: Well, my system, called an Ouija Board, is not three dimensional. We would, in general, say that the alphabet units imprinted in the board exist in a state of two dimensions, not three, as is the configuration of your Hassas Grid. Does that interest you?
ANSWER: IT IS MYSTERIOUS.
Question: But you read imprinted material upon a scroll, for example, correct?
Question: Well, think of my Quija board as a kind of scroll made from wood. It has imprinted letters upon is, which I use to leverage my communication with you. Understand?
ANSWER: YOU SEEM UNABLE TO KEEP YOURSELF FROM DWELLING ON THE TRIVIAL. YOU MAKE LITTLE SENSE TO ME.
Question: Dr. 58, I know this seems trivial, but my line of questioning has a much greater purpose, and I hope to be able to make that clear to you Ė but I get the sense that you are becoming as exhausted as we are during this very long session. So perhaps I will say good-bye to you for now, and we can pick up this discussion again the next time we communicate. Okay?
Question: Great! Good-bye for now, then Dr. 58! Thank you, and good luck on the Pepper Ball court! May you deliver a million stings to your opponents!
ANSWER: THANK YOU. GOOD-BYE.
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