A coming civil war in the US?

[Stellar]

There's thousands of them, and they're spoiling for a fight. Most of the fancy stuff the military has got won't be much good in the city.

Funny enough... if the whole city is against them, whats stopping them from carpet bombing the city? Not much youre going to be able to do to stop those bombs from dropping.

[KennyB]

Oh for **** sake. Do you think the mainstream military of any nation will just blindly enslave the citizenry (communist countries stand fast)?

They won't.

You're the one that can't face reality. We're already enslaved, we're just not in chains yet. KennyB

[KennyB]

lol no, most of the time a street gang can't even out fight a local police department.

Do you live in the city? Ever known any gang members? They are not going to fight, they are going to run. They don't care about you or the city.

'Fancy stuff' the military has?...is that the night vision, radar, and infa red? Weapons that are far superior then hunting rifles and handguns? Armor that cannot be easily penetrated by average civilian/gang weaponry? The Navy, the Airforce, Tanks and Humvees...compared to your Honda Civic? Highly trained and highly organized soldiers versus what...a bunch of out of shape unregimented gang members and deer hunters? Are you serious?

You seem to know very little of the military or gangs.

You're thinking like the generals. WW2 type warfare, where vast armies clash and fight it out, with tanks, planes, ships, the works. Try thinking Viet Cong or Geronimo and his Apaches, or the Majadeen. KennyB

[preacherman76]

Oh for **** sake. Do you think the mainstream military of any nation will just blindly enslave the citizenry (communist countries stand fast)?

They won't.

At first glance, Id agree. Unfortunitly the reality on the ground tells a different story. Like the fact that the largest American millitary recrutement center is in mexico, is one huge factor. What do Mexicans care if we are free or not?

Then there is this.

Obama issued an ammendment to EO 12425, exempting INTERPOL from "anything and everything", in which they get full diplomatic immunity.

Here's the Exectutive Order

EXECUTIVE ORDER

- - - - - - -

AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL

AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION ENTITLED TO

ENJOY CERTAIN PRIVILEGES, EXEMPTIONS, AND IMMUNITIES

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2©, Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.

BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,

December 16, 2009.

Part C from the original Executive Order:

(part c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable

By this ammendment, Obama has conferred diplomatic immunity upon INTERPOL, exemption from being subject to search and seizure by law enforcement, exemption from US taxes, and full immunity from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, etc.

Giving INTERPOL free rein to act within this country could subject U.S. military, diplomatic, and intelligence personnel to the prospect of being taken into custody and hauled before the International Criminal Court as “war criminals.”

In case you don't get where this is going, INTERPOL just became a "police force" within our own borders that "cannot ever be challenged" PERIOD! For those of you who fear "Big Brother" - you should be scared. This makes the Patriot Act look like kindergarten stuff. This is a step towards the NWO, and for those doubters, I simply ask you to supply the reasoning behind such a move as this.

The INTERPOL branch of the US now, can no longer be searched...it's files are no longer subject to legal subpoena nor discovery. If any branch of government wants to keep documents out of the hands of the court system, all they have to do is just hand them over to INTERPOL until the smoke clears. INTERPOL will now be able to maintain files on all US citizens. This is scary!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425

Edited January 6, 2010 by preacherman76

[KennyB]

Obviousman, Go ahead and deny the obvious, Pollyanna. Don't be suprised when you look out your window and see tanks rolling by with a strange flag on them and foreign troops. Remember I told you so. KennyB

[WoIverine]

EXECUTIVE ORDER

- - - - - - -

AMENDING EXECUTIVE ORDER 12425 DESIGNATING INTERPOL

AS A PUBLIC INTERNATIONAL ORGANIZATION ENTITLED TO

ENJOY CERTAIN PRIVILEGES, EXEMPTIONS, AND IMMUNITIES

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (22 U.S.C. 288), and in order to extend the appropriate privileges, exemptions, and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization (INTERPOL), it is hereby ordered that Executive Order 12425 of June 16, 1983, as amended, is further amended by deleting from the first sentence the words "except those provided by Section 2©, Section 3, Section 4, Section 5, and Section 6 of that Act" and the semicolon that immediately precedes them.

BARACK OBAMA

THE WHITE HOUSE,

December 16, 2009.

Part C from the original Executive Order:

(part c) Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable

By this ammendment, Obama has conferred diplomatic immunity upon INTERPOL, exemption from being subject to search and seizure by law enforcement, exemption from US taxes, and full immunity from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, etc.

Giving INTERPOL free rein to act within this country could subject U.S. military, diplomatic, and intelligence personnel to the prospect of being taken into custody and hauled before the International Criminal Court as “war criminals.”

In case you don't get where this is going, INTERPOL just became a "police force" within our own borders that "cannot ever be challenged" PERIOD! For those of you who fear "Big Brother" - you should be scared. This makes the Patriot Act look like kindergarten stuff. This is a step towards the NWO, and for those doubters, I simply ask you to supply the reasoning behind such a move as this.

The INTERPOL branch of the US now, can no longer be searched...it's files are no longer subject to legal subpoena nor discovery. If any branch of government wants to keep documents out of the hands of the court system, all they have to do is just hand them over to INTERPOL until the smoke clears. INTERPOL will now be able to maintain files on all US citizens. This is scary!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-amending-executive-order-12425

Interestingly enough, this is around the same time as the Copenhangen meet up where our American sovreignty was to be debated.

"So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause."

Edited January 6, 2010 by SpiderCyde

[preacherman76]

Interestingly enough, this is around the same time as the Copenhangen meet up where our American sovreignty was to be debated. Nice. Free America is so f!@#ed it's not even funny.

The worst part about it is, no one seems to know anything about this. No one reported it. Its stuff like that, that makes me believe ALL major media is a puppet of the government. If FOX was really as anti 0bama as the would like you to think, they would be screaming this from the roof tops. But no, not a single word.

[WoIverine]

The worst part about it is, no one seems to know anything about this. No one reported it. Its stuff like that, that makes me believe ALL major media is a puppet of the government. If FOX was really as anti 0bama as the would like you to think, they would be screaming this from the roof tops. But no, not a single word.

I'm starting to believe that Fox is the government's faux attempt at a balancing act to avoid suspicion while the knife is further twisted into our backs.

[preacherman76]

I'm starting to believe that Fox is the government's faux attempt at a balancing act to avoid suspicion while the knife is further twisted into our backs.

Yes, they balance out the equation. To give you the illusion of choice. Its a duelopoly. Like Pepsi and coke, Mcdonaldes and Burgerking, Kmart and Walmart, Republican and Democrate. Its a sad day when one opens his eyes to the fact that they really have no choice. The plan is going to be fullfilled regardless of the "hero" they put before us. I dont think even I could have been convinced 0bama would have done this. Yet here it is, right before our eyes.

Edited January 6, 2010 by preacherman76

[WoIverine]

Yes, they balance out the equation. To give you the illusion of choice. Its a duelopoly. Like Pepsi and coke, Mcdonaldes and Burgerking, Kmart and Walmart, Republican and Democrate. Its a sad day when one opens his eyes to the fact that they really have no choice. The plan is going to be fullfilled regardless of the "hero" they put before us. I dont think even I could have been convinced 0bama would have done this. Yet here it is, right before our eyes.

Orchestration of this magnitude is beyond anything humans could ever percieve. Ahh the Prince of Lies...here's to his coming ass kicking.

Edited January 6, 2010 by SpiderCyde

[preacherman76]

Orchestration of this magnitude is beyond anything humans could ever percieve. Ahh the Prince of Lies...here's to his coming ass kicking.

Amen to that Brother.

The deception is so deep, and has been slowly implemented with extreme calculation, that to de-program a person outta the left right paradigm is nearly impossible. Im getting to the point that I dont even get angry at them anymore. They litteraly cant help it. Its like getting mad at a person with no legs, for not walking.

[WoIverine]

Amen to that Brother.

The deception is so deep, and has been slowly implemented with extreme calculation, that to de-program a person outta the left right paradigm is nearly impossible. Im getting to the point that I dont even get angry at them anymore. They litteraly cant help it. Its like getting mad at a person with no legs, for not walking.

Understood, the best thing to do is feed loved ones bits of information here and there, make them question things. Hopefully many will wake up before it's too late.

Edited January 6, 2010 by SpiderCyde

[preacherman76]

Understood, the best thing to do is feed loved ones bits of information here and there, make them question things. Hopefully many will wake up before it's too late.

Keep up the good work. This is a fight we are almost certain to lose. But like you, if Im going down, Im going down swinging.

[WoIverine]

meh, no further comment. Good luck everyone.

Edited January 6, 2010 by SpiderCyde

[supervike]

Quite often, with these EO amendments, there is a solid reason on why it would be done so.....

I'm having trouble finding a good reason for this. Anyone know? Or can you point me to a source? Any internet source I find seems strongly opposed (or suspicious) to it.

[Corp]

You're thinking like the generals. WW2 type warfare, where vast armies clash and fight it out, with tanks, planes, ships, the works. Try thinking Viet Cong or Geronimo and his Apaches, or the Majadeen. KennyB

How many people are willing to accept the lifestyle that comes with that type of fighting? Not many. If gangs went toe to toe with the military they would lose, badly. Heck I kind of wish the military would be used on street gangs, give the police a hand at smacking them around.

[jaundice]

A coming civil war in the US?

First, martial law. Why?

Pick one:

1) Falling value of dollar

2) Japan and China [separating themselves from the dollar]

3) Upcoming potential worldwide food shortages [uSDA potentially overestimating crop yields for 2010]

4) Reduction in consumer spending through

a) increased unemployment over the next 12 months

How many US states are predicting a budget shortfall [ex. California]

c) further 2010-11 cuts in programs for food, shelter, services, roads, etc.

5) Current health care bill does nothing [health care costs]

6) Infrastructure of the US: roads, bridges, schools... where is the Money going to come from?

7) US Military is really being pushed. Too far? Manpower drain.

8) Escalation of Wars [Afghanistan, Yemen, etc.]

9) Increased borrowing of US and increase in federal debt ceiling

10) Failure of US president Obama to do what many elected him to do.

1) Close git

2) End Iraq and Afgh

3) Restructure Wall Street

4) Address lobbyists and Corp influence in Politics

5) Create jobs

Not to mention

1) Social Security and Medicare

2) Current American School system post high school is driven by a understood but rarely mentioned fact, "All US citizens unable to pay for education will borrow it." Its assumed and has been for 30 years with increasing clarity that the foundation of American ingenuity and creativity is based on the assumption that each and every citizen will incur a $50,000 to $150,000 education debt before even buying a house or car.

3) Infrastructure, roads, bridges

4) With the election and "hope for change" becoming "have faith" many will be disillusioned come election, "What? vote Republican after decidedly voting them out?

5) A future Terrorist Attack, Social Unrest

6) The US citizen is fragmented between moderates and extremists. Many of the moderates are ignorant and have a apathy that suggests they only need to be shown where the box cars are located. Many of the extremists are also basing their beliefs on religion: anti abortion, immigration, race, finance and war "highly volatile subjects"

7) American Media is disjointed and serves Money not information

8) Failure of the American Journalist via TV and newspaper. Average person in America truly does not know what to believe or even where to start looking.

9) Lots of Americans do have guns, are crazy about their independence, truly and will kill and die for it. Whether it be the right to not be kicked out of your trailer or have your beloved TRUCK taken away.

10) Increased continuation of extended unemployment benefits

11) 1/8 of Americans are on food stamps

JUST PICK ONE, IMAGINE TWO OR THREE at same time!!!

Result:

Martial Law. Then conscription. Then the statement, "If you are with us you are Patriotic and if you are not then you are unpatriotic."

Continued War and borrowing to pay for it as long as the chump countries continue to pay but how long will they continue to be chumps? Or are they?

Then--> Martial Law + conscription + high unemployment + falling dollar = lots of people with nothing better to do but what?

1) Wonder if they are going to get kicked out of their house, where their food is going to come from and who is going to fix the roads and bridges and protect Grandma from being HOUSE INVADED while you work at your service job making less than $10.00 dollars a hour "One-quarter of American workers make less than $10 per hour"

So--> Social unrest, a localized actual "Civil War", parts of this state, part of that state, here, there. What do you think the federal government will do to these "hot spots" of extremists.

More Marshal Law. The funny thing is the parasitic ones, have so successfully drained the majority of Americans that truly in some regard "YES" there could be a type of "Civil War."

Thing is--> there are not really any particular areas, or are there that could coagulate into a Opposition even with potentially some military defection. State National Guard units, etc.

Truth is the average American home has enough food to last about 2 weeks then its the grass or bark on the trees.

Truth is without electricity many of us would damn freeze in 2-3 days at this time of the year.

Truth is America is bankrupt and running out of time.

Truth is the Elite know it.

What would you do or say if you were sitting at that rather long and large oval table and asked to give your 2 cents?

Yes! A type of civil war is possible. Rather soon actually, next 6-18 months and for some time after.

I edit this post to finally say. I am a American and what I have just typed here could be considered extremist, unpatriotic and could potentially be a "red flag" for our new Homeland Security Admin.

I cant even answer this question without potentially being labeled a heaven forbid, "domestic terrorist or extremist."

Once labeled and if prosecuted I would lose the Bill of Rights and by birth right to the American Constitution.

Eat that for THOUGHT>

This is where the USA is now.

Edited January 6, 2010 by jaundice

[KennyB]

Since most on here think I'm crazy, I'm going to propose a different theory.

We've been arguing on the forum about the possibility of a civil war here. Well, I've been thinking about it and I don't think there'll be one. Reason why, I don't think there'll be anybody left alive to have one. I got a couple of pieces of new information. Did you know that the U.S. Army has got their biggest recruting offices and basic training facilities in Mexico? They're training those troops for riot control in the U.S. This is in addition to increasing the U.S. forces to one million. That's more troops than we had in WW2. Then I read that Russia has enough deep underground cities to hold 85% of their population. That's 255 million people. China has been digging, too. They can put another 200 million or so underground. The U.S. has not been making any for the general population, just for the politicians and the rich folks. Here's what I think. I think this whole thing is a Communist plot to take over the world. Obama and his bunch call themselves 'socialists' but that means Communist. They want to save about 500,000 folks to be slaves and tend the crops and do all the labor in the world. Common sense says they're not going to want slaves that are apt to cause trouble. That means they're going to pick their slaves from people who are already slaves and used to it. Russians and Chinese have been slaves for hundreds of years and never rebelled. They sure don't want whites or blacks, they fight all the time. I think they plan on moving their slaves underground and then wiping out everybody on the surface, 100%. They're going to turn loose a plague or a series of them, starting with the swine flu, maybe Ebola Fever, and Anthrax. They'll use those foreign troops for riot control but they'll die, too. All of ours will, too. They'll stay hid out for a year or so, till the plagues are finished and come out and start their New World Order. Makes sense to me. KennyB

[Stellar]

You're the one that can't face reality. We're already enslaved, we're just not in chains yet. KennyB

Then whats the point in pushing anything more to the point where a civil war may be started? The most peaceful enslavement is one in which the people dont know they're enslaved.

Obviousman, Go ahead and deny the obvious, Pollyanna. Don't be suprised when you look out your window and see tanks rolling by with a strange flag on them and foreign troops. Remember I told you so.

And just when is this supposed to occur?

By this ammendment, Obama has conferred diplomatic immunity upon INTERPOL, exemption from being subject to search and seizure by law enforcement, exemption from US taxes, and full immunity from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, etc.

Giving INTERPOL free rein to act within this country could subject U.S. military, diplomatic, and intelligence personnel to the prospect of being taken into custody and hauled before the International Criminal Court as “war criminals.”

I dont see how you got that from the ammendment...

The only big thing I see is that they're immune from searches.

[THE MATRIX]

All this talk about a revolution. Why don't we just start one now and get it over with. We can all meet at a local Starbucks, get a cup of coffee, and then be merrily on our way. C'mon I got pitchforks and torches sitting around collecting dust here. Besides my schedule is free anyways.

[Guest]

America is definately preparing for civil unrest. Whether the American people have the stomach for it is another matter.

Br Cornelius

[WoIverine]

That's exactly why interpol is being authorized to act on our soil, because the politicals know the US military would rebel against attacking it's own citizens and families. Foreign armies would have no trouble killing the globally "hated americans." A litle more analysis:

After initial review and discussions between the writers of this analysis, the context was spelled out plainly.

Through EO 12425, President Reagan extended to INTERPOL recognition as an "International Organization." In short, the privileges and immunities afforded foreign diplomats was extended to INTERPOL. Two sets of important privileges and immunities were withheld: Section 2© and the remaining sections cited (all of which deal with differing taxes).

And then comes December 17, 2009, and President Obama. The exemptions in EO 12425 were removed.

Section 2c of the United States International Organizations Immunities Act is the crucial piece.

Property and assets of international organizations, wherever located and by whomsoever held, shall be immune from search, unless such immunity be expressly waived, and from confiscation. The archives of international organizations shall be inviolable. (Emphasis added.)

Inviolable archives means INTERPOL records are beyond US citizens' Freedom of Information Act requests and from American legal or investigative discovery ("unless such immunity be expressly waived.")

Property and assets being immune from search and confiscation means precisely that. Wherever they may be in the United States. This could conceivably include human assets - Americans arrested on our soil by INTERPOL officers.

Context: International Criminal Court

The importance of this last crucial point cannot be understated, because this immunity and protection - and elevation above the US Constitution - afforded INTERPOL is likely a precursor to the White House subjecting the United States under the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC). INTERPOL provides a significant enforcement function for the ICC, just as our FBI provides a significant function for our Department of Justice.

We direct the American public to paragraph 28 of the ICC's Proposed Programme Budget for 2010 (PDF).

29. Additionally, the Court will continue to seek the cooperation of States not party to the Rome Statute and to develop its relationships with regional organizations such as the Organization of American States (OAS), the Arab League (AL), the African Union (AU), the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), ASEAN and CARICOM. We will also continue to engage with subregional and thematic organizations, such as SADC and ECOWAS, and the Commonwealth Secretariat and the OIF. This will be done through high level visits, briefings and, as appropriate, relationship agreements. Work will also be carried out with sectoral organizations such as IDLO and INTERPOL, to increase efficiency.

The United States is not a party to the Rome Statute - the UN treaty that established the International Criminal Court. (See: Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court)

President George W. Bush rejected subjecting the United States to the jurisdiction of the ICC and removed the United States as a signatory. President Bill Clinton had previously signed the Rome Statute during his presidency. Two critical matters are at play. One is an overall matter of sovereignty and the concept of the primacy of American law above those of the rest of the world. But more recently a more over-riding concern principally has been the potential - if not likely - specter of subjecting our Armed Forces to a hostile international body seeking war crimes prosecutions during the execution of an unpopular war.

President Bush in fact went so far as to gain agreement from nations that they would expressly not detain or hand over to the ICC members of the United States armed forces. The fear of a symbolic ICC circus trial as a form of international political protest to American military actions in Iraq and elsewhere was real and palpable.

President Obama's words have been carefully chosen when directly regarding the ICC. While President Bush outright rejected subjugating American armed forces to any international court as a matter of policy, President Obama said in his 2008 presidential campaign that it is merely "premature to commit" to signing America on.

However, in a Foreign Policy in Focus round-table in 2008, the host group cited his former foreign policy advisor, Samantha Power. She essentially laid down what can be viewed as now-President Obama's roadmap to America rejoining the ICC. His principal objections are not explained as those of sovereignty, but rather of image and perception.

Obama's former foreign policy advisor, Samantha Power, said in an early March (2008) interview with The Irish Times that many things need to happen before Obama could think about signing the Rome Treaty.

"Until we've closed Guantánamo, gotten out of Iraq responsibly, renounced torture and rendition, shown a different face for America, American membership of the ICC is going to make countries around the world think the ICC is a tool of American hegemony.

The detention center at Guantánamo Bay is nearing its closure and an alternate continental American site for terrorist detention has been selected in Illinois. The time line for Iraq withdrawal has been set. And President Obama has given an abundance of international speeches intended to "show a different face for America." He has in fact been roundly criticized domestically for the routinely apologetic and critical nature of these speeches.

President Obama has not rejected the concept of ICC jurisdiction over US citizens and service members. He has avoided any direct reference to this while offering praise for the ICC for conducting its trials so far "in America's interests." The door thus remains wide open to the skeptical observer.

CONCLUSIONS

In light of what we know and can observe, it is our logical conclusion that President Obama's Executive Order amending President Ronald Reagans' 1983 EO 12425 and placing INTERPOL above the United States Constitution and beyond the legal reach of our own top law enforcement is a precursor to more damaging moves.

The pre-requisite conditions regarding the Iraq withdrawal and the Guantanamo Bay terrorist detention facility closure will continue their course. meanwhile, the next move from President Obama is likely an attempt to dissolve the agreements made between President Bush and other states preventing them from turning over American military forces to the ICC (via INTERPOL) for war crimes or any other prosecutions.

When the paths on the road map converge - Iraq withdrawal, Guantánamo closure, perceived American image improved internationally, and an empowered INTERPOL in the United States - it is probable that President Barack Obama will once again make America a signatory to the International Criminal Court. It will be a move that surrenders American sovereignty to an international body whose INTERPOL enforcement arm has already been elevated above the Constitution and American domestic law enforcement.

For an added and disturbing wrinkle, INTERPOL's central operations office in the United States is within our own Justice Department offices. They are American law enforcement officers working under the aegis of INTERPOL within our own Justice Department. That they now operate with full diplomatic immunity and with "inviolable archives" from within our own buildings should send red flags soaring into the clouds.

This is the disturbing context for President Obama's quiet release of an amended Executive Order 12425. American sovereignty hangs in the balance if these actions are not prevented through public outcry and political pressure. Some Americans are paying attention, as can be seen from some of the earliest recognitions of this troubling development here, here and here. But the discussion must extend well beyond the Internet and social media.

Ultimately, a detailed verbal explanation is due the American public from the President of the United States detailing why an international law enforcement arm assisting a court we are not a signatory to has been elevated above our Constitution upon our soil.

Edited January 6, 2010 by SpiderCyde

[WoIverine]

Since most on here think I'm crazy, I'm going to propose a different theory.

We've been arguing on the forum about the possibility of a civil war here. Well, I've been thinking about it and I don't think there'll be one. Reason why, I don't think there'll be anybody left alive to have one. I got a couple of pieces of new information. Did you know that the U.S. Army has got their biggest recruting offices and basic training facilities in Mexico? They're training those troops for riot control in the U.S. This is in addition to increasing the U.S. forces to one million. That's more troops than we had in WW2. Then I read that Russia has enough deep underground cities to hold 85% of their population. That's 255 million people. China has been digging, too. They can put another 200 million or so underground. The U.S. has not been making any for the general population, just for the politicians and the rich folks. Here's what I think. I think this whole thing is a Communist plot to take over the world. Obama and his bunch call themselves 'socialists' but that means Communist. They want to save about 500,000 folks to be slaves and tend the crops and do all the labor in the world. Common sense says they're not going to want slaves that are apt to cause trouble. That means they're going to pick their slaves from people who are already slaves and used to it. Russians and Chinese have been slaves for hundreds of years and never rebelled. They sure don't want whites or blacks, they fight all the time. I think they plan on moving their slaves underground and then wiping out everybody on the surface, 100%. They're going to turn loose a plague or a series of them, starting with the swine flu, maybe Ebola Fever, and Anthrax. They'll use those foreign troops for riot control but they'll die, too. All of ours will, too. They'll stay hid out for a year or so, till the plagues are finished and come out and start their New World Order. Makes sense to me. KennyB

That reminds me of the Nightmare Hall and Dulce whisperings. However, humans wouldn't be the predominant force occupying those underground facilities.

Side note: It looks like George W. opposed the giving away of American sovreignty. To that, all I can say is HAHAHA to all the Bush haters!

Edited January 6, 2010 by SpiderCyde

[KennyB]

That reminds me of the Nightmare Hall and Dulce whisperings. However, humans wouldn't be the predominant force occupying those underground facilities.

Side note: It looks like George W. opposed the giving away of American sovreignty. To that, all I can say is HAHAHA to all the Bush haters!

I ain't letting him off that easy. He still needs to be boiled in oil for his part in 9-11. Besides, he had to leave some of the destruction of the country for Obama. KennyB

[WoIverine]

I ain't letting him off that easy. He still needs to be boiled in oil for his part in 9-11. Besides, he had to leave some of the destruction of the country for Obama. KennyB

lol, I know man, I was just playing. All of them probably all the way back to Washington himself are probably somehow responsible for this mess.