[Archived]Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood

[Abramelin]

Look Menno, I may be an a$$hl, but I remember almost every word we all posted in this thread.

Maybe I am obsessed, I don't know how to call it.

But you can bet on your fuzzy ass I remember anything we have been discussing.

People ask me about this or that concerning this topic, and within a minute I give them an answer.

My computer is like my dk: I know how to play with it.

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Edited March 7, 2012 by Abramelin

[Knul]

Look Menno, I may be an a$hl, but I remember almost every word we all posted in this thread.

Maybe I am obsessed, I don't know how to call it.

But you can bet on your fuzzy ass I remember anything we have been discussing.

People ask me about this or that concerning this topic, and within a minute I give them an answer.

My computer is like my dk: I know how to play with it.

.

Sure, I remember the discussion and my comments. I do not know, why you brougth this up again. In the meantime I learned a bit more of Old Frisian, so I gave it an other try, so that it would look less like mediaeval Dutch. Nothing to worry about.

[The Puzzler]

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"comparatively limited geographical area"?

Some records of the 4.2ka BP event:

1. Egypt ca 2200 BC, Old Kingdom Collapsed, drought (?), famine.

2. Syria ca 2193 BC, Akkadian Empire Collapsed, drought (?), famine.

3. India / Pakistan ca 2200 BC, Harrapan Urban Civilization Collapsed.

4. China ca 2200 BC, Ancient Cultures Collapsed, Droughts & Floods

5. Sri Lanka ca 2200 BC, Tsunami

6. Mauritius ca 2200 BC, Mare Aux Songes: Mass Vertibrate Mortality, Drought

7. Australia ca 2150 BC, West Coast, Tsunami

8. Madagascar 2800 - 2500 BC, Fenambosy Chevron Dunes, Tsunami, Bolide impact. (Dating not done yet)

9. Indian Ocean 2800 - 2500 BC, Burckle Bolide Impact (Could only have been in 2200 BC. If earlier, there would not have been a Harrapan civilization to collapse)

10. South Afica 3000 – 1000 BC, Cape South Coast, Tsunami (Dating not done yet)

11. Argentina 2700 - 2200 BC, Campo del Cielo. Meteorite impact

12. Carribean 2200 BC, Coral reefs destroyed, Tsunami

13. Spain 2200 - 2100 BC, Donana National Park, Tsunami.

14. The Netherlands after 2200 BC, Delfzijl, Inundation / Flood

15. Italy 2200 BC, Cave Flowstones, aridification.

16. Pacific Ocean 2200 BC, massive changes in paleorecords

17. Canada 2200 BC, Glaciers advanced.

18. North Atlantic 2200 BC, Cooling down.

19. Central Africa after 2200 BC, Kilimanjaro ice cores, drought

Don’t you find it just a little strange that the 4.2 ka BP event is described as a period of aridification and climate change, yet we also find tsunamis, volcanism, bolide impacts and earthquakes during the same period in the scientific literature?

(I have previously given references to most of the above)

Now read the following again:

20. The Oera Linda Book

21. The book of Enoch

22. The curse of Akkad

23. The Prophesy of Neferti

24. The Admonitions of Ipuwer

25. The Bible

So you see, there is an abundance of evidence that the 4.2ka BP event was worldwide.

Now let us look at climate change and earth’s orbit. (remember Europe was warmer 4200 years ago than today and North Africa was grassland and thornbush savannahs).

If the changes in earth’s orbit and axial tilt occurred gradually over millennia as scientists SPECULATE, why did the process stop? Why are these changes then not still happening to this day? What caused it and what removed the cause?

On the other hand, some scientists say the climate changes of between 6000 to 4000 years ago were “brutal” and “sudden”. Again, what caused it and what happened to the cause?

If the 4.2ka BP event was the culmination of a few thousand year cycle, then we must have evidence of this cycle reducing in intensity over the next few thousand years. There is, however, no evidence that that the turmoil of 4200 years ago gradually reduced. It happened suddenly and it stopped suddenly.

You cannot explain the 4.2ka BP event as having been both part of a gradual process and a sudden event.

Obviously, earth did experience some relatively minor climate changes over the last 4000 years, but nothing as dramatic and sudden as to have wiped out numerous civilizations in singular events. If anything, earth’s climate was sufficiently stable over the last 4000 years for man and civilization to have developed fairly uninterrupted and continues to do so right up to the present.

All the evidence suggests to me that earth was jolted out of its orbit in a single event. This “jolt” would have created a “rocking” motion in the oceans, tidal waves, earthquakes, volcanism and tectonic plate slippage all over the world. It could have brought the thermohaline circulation in the oceans temporarily to a standstill which would have aggravated climate change. Even isolated bodies of water such as the Caspian and Black Seas or Hudson Bay would have experienced tidal waves caused by this jolt.

(Imagine a water container on the back of a truck taking a sudden turn or stopping suddenly. Under the correct conditions, the water in the container could overturn the truck).

A combination of this impact (or impacts), the rocking motion and tidal waves of the oceans, increased volcanism and tectonic activities could all have contributed to earth moving out of its orbit.

It may even be that this new orbit took earth out of the “asteroid highway” and hence we experience fewer impacts these days.

I can understand that you disagree with me as to what caused the 4.2ka BP event but I cannot understand how you can ignore all the scientific, archaeological and historical evidence that a single catastrophic event did indeed happen 4200 years ago. Have you ever noticed how frequently the date of 2200 BC comes up in research articles? Do you think this is just a coincidence? Why does the OLB also refer to the same date? (O.K. – 7 years different)

You may even want to read this Wiki article again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4.2_kiloyear_event

Discoveries and new developments, be they scientific or otherwise, are not made by adhering to the status quo or by sticking to the accepted (unproven), but by examining the facts from a different viewpoint and by considering the alternatives. This is called “analytical and/or lateral thinking”.

You obviously think that my theory (which you call “speculation”) is absolutely impossible, absurd and only to be ridiculed. So be it.

Edit:

I don’t know why I still bother (sigh).

Excellent post Alewyn.

Look Menno, I may be an a$$hl, but I remember almost every word we all posted in this thread.

Maybe I am obsessed, I don't know how to call it.

But you can bet on your fuzzy ass I remember anything we have been discussing.

People ask me about this or that concerning this topic, and within a minute I give them an answer.

My computer is like my dk: I know how to play with it.

.

[Otharus]

... the author used the characteristics of Oldfrisian grammar for modern Dutch words and expressions.

What "modern words and expressions"?

You don't know how "modern" they are.

Oral language is much older than our accepted written records of it.

[Otharus]

They are very probably silent because they are amazed about your 'conspiracy theory' and want to stay out of any discussions about it.

What 'conspiracy theory'?

[Otharus]

Here is another reveiling fragment of "Om de erfenis van Friso ~ 175 jaar Fries Genootschap" by Goffe Jensma, published in "Het Fries Genootschap 1827-2002" (2002), from chapter 3: "Voorgeschiedenis, 1750-1827"

(translation, for original see attached scan; p.26)

The Frisian Society (Fries Genootschap) might not have been founded, if king Willem I [(1772–1843)] would not have convoked all 'patriotic historians and linguists' by Royal Order of 23 December 1826, to submit proposals for the concoction of a 'General Netherlandic History'.

Until then an enterprise like that had not been undertaken, despite of 'the great importance of such a history, that aims at cultivating love for the fatherland, stimulating civic virtue and maintaining the national character'.

History and language are political tools to unite or seperate peoples.

i rest my case

[Alewyn]

Excellent post Alewyn.

Thanks Puzzler.

Btw. A "civilization collapse" in Egypt because of a "drought", would imply that the Nile dried up.The source of the Nile is some 6500 km away in Central Africa. Now add China, India, The Middle East, North America, etc., etc.

"comparatively limited geographical area" indeed!

[Abramelin]

Sure, I remember the discussion and my comments. I do not know, why you brougth this up again. In the meantime I learned a bit more of Old Frisian, so I gave it an other try, so that it would look less like mediaeval Dutch. Nothing to worry about.

Menno, I'll tell you this: I am able to add on "Old-Frisian-ish" line in the OLB, then post the whole alinea here, and not one of you would know I did.

Actually, I already did, lol. I once posted a piece of OLB text, and I added a line I had concocted myself.

Not one of you noticed I did, you all happily responded without showing any sign of having a clue something was not ok.

Good luck searching for that post, hahaha !!

[Abramelin]

What 'conspiracy theory'?

Yours.

[Abramelin]

Thanks Puzzler.

Btw. A "civilization collapse" in Egypt because of a "drought", would imply that the Nile dried up.The source of the Nile is some 6500 km away in Central Africa. Now add China, India, The Middle East, North America, etc., etc.

"comparatively limited geographical area" indeed!

Now add Europe... wait... nothing like that happened in Europe.

Europe was Fryan territory, and nothing, no multitude of erupting volcanoes, no submerging lands, no mountains crumbling, no mountains emerging, no 3 years of forest-fires, and no floods happening around 2200 BC.

That must suck, eh?

You must show us all here that Europe - Fryan territory - was devastated around 2200 BC.

You can not, because there is no scientific proof of that ever happening.

We have many archeologists here, digging at ancient places.

They never found anything even remotely similar to an OLB citadel.

OK, yes, they found those "ringwall burchts" but they date from Viking times.

Nothing is being hided, people dig, they post about what they find, and that's it.

If what they find and post about is not to your liking, then YOU have a problem, not them.

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Edited March 8, 2012 by Abramelin

[Otharus]

What 'conspiracy theory'?

Yours.

I don't have one.

[Abramelin]

I don't have one.

Then you don't know what a 'conspiracy theory' is.

But you sure have tried your best to portray the Dutch (= "Hollanders") as people who will do anything possible to hide 'true' Frisian history.

I have learned a lot about Frisians and their history during this thread, but I never portrayed them as 'evil'.

I have no reason to do that.

So why are you - in the 21th century- still trying to portray the "Hollanders" as evil beings?

Should I "hate" the Spanish, or the French, the Germans, or the Scandinavians?

That would be stupid, right?

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Edited March 8, 2012 by Abramelin

[Otharus]

But you sure have tried your best to portray the Dutch (= "Hollanders") as people who will do anything possible to hide 'true' Frisian history.

...

So why are you - in the 21th century- still trying to portray the "Hollanders" as evil beings?

You must be paranoid and/or delusional.

[Otharus]

For the information of whoever is interested, here is some Dutch Royal genealogy, highlighting the Frisian connection.

Explanation:

* = birth, + = death

the parents of person X are always the number of X doubled (father) and doubled plus 1 (mother);

example: parents of

7 child

are:

14 father

15 mother

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

generation 1

1. Willem-Alexander C.G.F. von Amsberg, crown prince of the Netherlands *Utrecht 27.04.1967

generation 2

2. Klaus-Georg W.O.F.G. von Amsberg *Hitzacker 06.09.1926 +Amsterdam 06.10.2002

3. Beatrix W.A. van Lippe-Biesterfeld, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 31.01.1938

generation 3

4. Klaus F.F.L.G.A.J.A. von Amsberg *Rehna 01.09.1890 +Jasebeck 19.12.1953

5. Gösta J.A.M.M. von dem Bussche *Doberan 26.01.1902 +Hitzacker 13.06.1996

6. Bernhard L.F.E.J.K.K.G.P. zur Lippe von Biesterfeld *Jena 28.06.1911 +Utrecht 01.12.2004

7. Juliana L.E.M.W. von Mecklenburg, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 30.04.1909 +Soestdijk 20.03.2004

generation 4

8. Wilhelm K.F.A.L. von Amsberg *15.01.1856 Rostock PL +Bad Doberan 25.02.1929

9. Elise H.A. von Vieregge *21.01.1866 Steinhausen D +

10. Georg von dem Bussche Haddenhausen *Wien 11.05.1869 +Hitzacker 23.02.1923

11. Gabriele M.A.L. von dem Bussche-Ippenburg *Dresden 24.02.1877 +Hitzacker 28.06.1973

12. Bernhard K.F.G.H.W.E. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld *Oberkassel 26.08.1872 +München 19.06.1934

13. Armgard K.A.A.Oda von Cramm *Driburg 18.12.1883 +Diepenheim 27.04.1971

14. Heinrich V.A. von Mecklenburg *Schwerin 19.04.1876 +Den Haag 03.07.1934

15. Wilhelmina H.P.M. van Oranje-Nassau, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 31.08.1880 +Apeldoorn 28.11.1962

generation 5

24. Ernst K.F.K.E. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld *Oberkassel 09.06.1842 +Lopshorn 26.09.1904

25. Karoline F.C.K. von Wartensleben *Mannheim 06.04.1844 +Detmold 10.07.1905

26. Aschwin von Cramm *Löhndorf 29.03.1846 +Reckenwalde 14.10.1909

27. S.B.L.F. Hedwig von Sierstorpff *Münster 22.11.1848 +Hannover 10.01.1900

28. Friedrich F. zu Mecklenburg Schwerin *Ludwigslust 28.02.1823 +Schwerin 15.04.1883

29. Marie K.A. von Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt *Raben Steinfeld 29.01.1850 +Den Haag 22.04.1922

30. Willem Alexander P.F.L. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *19.02.1817 Brüssel +23.11.1890 Apeldoorn

31. A.Emma W.T. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *Arolsen 02.08.1858 +Den Haag 20.03.1934

generation 6

56. Paul F. von Mecklenburg * 15.09.1800 Ludwigslust †07.03.1842 Schwerin

57. Friederike W.A.M.H. von Preußen, *Potsdam 23.02.1803 +Schwerin 21.04.1892

58. Adolf von Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt (1801-1875)

59. Mathilda von Schönburg-Waldenburg (1826-1914)

60. Willem F.G.L. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *Den Haag 06.12.1792 +Tilburg 17.03.1849

61. Anna Paulowna van Rusland *Sint-Petersburg 18.01.1795 +Den Haag 01.03.1865

62. George V. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *Arolsen 14.01.1831 +Mariënbad 12.05.1893

63. Helena W.H.P.M. von Nassau-Weilburg *Wiesbaden 12.08.1831 +Arolsen 27.10.1888

generation 7

120. Willem F. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *Den Haag 24.08.1772 +Berlijn 12.12.1843

121. Frederica L.W. von Preußen *Potsdam 18.11.1774 +Den Haag 12.10.1837

122. Paul Petrovitsj, tsar of Russia *St.Petersburg 01.10.1754 +St.Petersburg 23.03.1801

123. Sophia D.A.L. von Württemberg *Szczecin 25.10.1759 +St.Petersburg 05.11.1828

124. Georg H. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *20.09.1789 Weil-am-Rhein +15.05.1845 Arolsen

125. Emma von Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym *20.05.1802 Schaumburg +01.08.1858 Pyrmont

126. G.Willem A.H.B. von Nassau-Weilburg *Kirchheimbolanden 14.06.1792 +Kissingen 30.08.1839

127. Pauline F.M. von Württemberg *Stuttgart 25.02.1810 +Wiesbaden 07.07.1856

generation 8

240. Willem "Batavus" van Oranje-Nassau, stadtholder of the Republic of United Netherlands *Den Haag 08.03.1748 +Brunswijk 09.04.1806

241. Frederica S.W. von Preußen *Berlijn 07.08.1751 +Apeldoorn 09.06.1820

242. Frederik W. von Preußen *Berlijn 25.09.1744 +Potsdam 16.11.1797

243. Frederika L. van Hessen-Darmstadt *Prenzlau 16.10.1751 +Berlijn 14.08.1805

244. Sergej Saltykov, lover of tsarina

245. Catharina Aleksejevna, tsarina of Russia *Stettin 02.05.1729 +Selo 17.11.1796)

246. Frederik E. van Württemberg *Stuttgart 21.01.1732 +Hohenheim 23.12.1797

247. Friederike D.S. van Brandenburg-Schwedt *Schwedt 18.12.1736 +Stuttgart 09.03.1798

[...]

252. Frederik W. van Nassau-Weilburg *Den Haag 25.10.1768 +Weilburg 09.01.1816

253. L.Isabelle A.A. Sayn-Hachenburg-Kirchberg *Hachenburg 19.04.1772 +Wenen 06.01.1827

generation 9

480. Willem K.H.Friso van Oranje-Nassau, stadtholder of the Republic of United Provinces *Leeuwarden 01.09.1711 +Den Haag 22.10.1751

481. Anna von Hannover *Hannover 02.11.1709 +Den Haag 12.01.1759

482. August W. von Preußen *Berlijn 09.08.1722 +Oranienburg 12.06.1758

483. Louise A. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Bevern 29.01.1722 +Berlijn 23.01.1780

484. = 482.

485. = 483.

486. Lodewijk van Hessen-Darmstadt *Darmstadt 15.12.1719 +Pirmasens 06.04.1790

487. Henriëtte C.C.L. van Palts-Zweibrücken *Straatsburg 09.03.1721 +Darmstadt 30.03.1774

[...]

504. Karel C. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 16.01.1735 +Münster-Dreissen 28.11.1788

505. Carolina van Oranje-Nassau *Leeuwarden 28.02.1743 +Kirchheimbolanden 05.03.1787

generation 10

960. Johan W.Friso von Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland and Groningen *Dessau 04.08.1687 +Strijensas 14.07.1711

961. Maria Louise von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 07.02.1688 +Leeuwarden 09.04.1765

962. George August von Hannover, king of Great Brittain *Hannover 10.11.1683 +Londen 25.10.1760

963. Wilhelmina Charlotte Caroline von Brandenburg-Ansbach *Ansbach 01.03.1683 +Londen 20.11.1737

964. Frederik Willem von Preußen *Berlijn 14.08.1688 +Potsdam 31.05.1740

965. Sophia Dorothea von Hannover *Hannover 16.03.1687 +Berlijn 28.06.1757

966. Ferdinand Albrecht von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Bevern 29.05.1680 +Salzdahlum 13.09.1735

967. Antoinette Amalia von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *22.04.1696 +06.03.1762

[...]

1 008. Karel A. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 17.09.1685 +Weilburg 09.11.1753

1 009. Augusta F. van Nassau-Idstein *27.08.1699 +1750 Weilburg

1 010. = 480.

1 011. = 481.

generation 11

1 920. Hendrik C. van Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland and Groningen *Den Haag 18.01.1657 +Leeuwarden 25.03.1696

1 921. Henriëtte A.M. von Anhalt-Dessau *Kleef 16.08.1666 +Oraniënstein 18.04.1726

1 922. Karel von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 03.08.1654 +Kassel 23.03.1730

1 923. Maria A. von Koerland (1653-1711)

1 924. George L. von Hannover, king of Great Brittain *Hannover 28.03.1660 +Osnabrück 10.06.1727

1 925. Sophia D. de Celle *Celle 15.09.1666 +Ahlden 13.11.1726

1 926. Johan F. von Brandenburg-Ansbach *Ansbach 08.10.1654 +Ansbach 22.03.1686

1 927. Eleonora E.L. von Saksen-Eisenach *Friedewald 13.04.1662 +Pretzsch 09.09.1696

[...]

2 016. Johan E. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 13.06.1664 +Heidelberg 27.02.1719

2 017. Maria Polyxena van Leiningen-Dachsburg-Hartenburg

2 018. George A.S. van Nassau-Idstein *Idstein 26.02.1665 +Biebrich 26.10.1721

2 019. Henriette D. van Oettingen-Oettingen

generation 12

3 840. Willem F. van Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe *Arnhem 07.08.1613 +Leeuwarden 31.10.1664

3 841. Albertine A. van Nassau *Den Haag 09.04.1634 +Oranjewoud FR 24.05.1696

3 842. Johan G. von Anhalt-Dessau *Dessau 17.11.1627 +Berlijn 07.08.1693

3 843. Henriëtte C. van Nassau *Den Haag 10.02.1637 +Oranienbaum 03.11.1708

3 844. Willem von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 23.05.1629 +Haina 16.07.1663

3 845. Hedwig S. von Brandenburg *Berlijn 14.07.1623 +Schmalkalden 26.06.1683

3 846. Jacob Kettler *Goldingen 28.10.1610 +Mitau 01.01.1682

3 847. Louise C. von Brandenburg *Berlijn 13.09.1617 +Mitau 29.08.1676

[...]

4 032. Frederik van Nassau-Weilburg *Metz 26.04.1640 +08.09.1675

4 033. Christina E. van Sayn-Wittgenstein-Homburg

[...]

4 036. Johan van Nassau-Idstein *Saarbrücken 24.11.1603 +Idstein 22.05.1677

4 037. Anna van Leiningen-Dagsburg (1625-1688)

generation 13

7 680. Ernst C. von Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe *Dillenburg 22.12.1573 +Roermond 02.06.1632

7 681. Sophia H. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Wolfenbüttel 20.02.1594 +Arnhem 23.01.1642

7 682. Frederik H. van Oranje, Stadhouder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Overijsel and Groningen *Delft 29.01.1584 +Den Haag 14.03.1647

7 683. Amalia von Solms *Braunfels 31.08.1602 +Den Haag 08.09.1675

7 684. Johan C. von Anhalt-Dessau *Dessau 07.12.1596 +Dessau 15.07.1660

7 685. Agnes von Hessen-Kassel (1606-1650)

7 686. = 7682.

7 687. = 7683.

[...]

8 064. Ernst C. van Nassau-Weilburg *Saarbrücken 15.11.1607 +Weilburg 1655

8 065. Maria van Sayn-Wittgenstein (1610-1656)

[...]

8 072. Lodewijk van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 09.058.1565 +Saarbrücken 08.11.1627

8 073. Anna M. van Hessen-Kassel (1567-1626)

generation 14

15 360. Jan von Nassau *Dillenburg 22.11.1536 +Dillenburg 08.10.1606

15 361. Elisabeth von Leuchtenberg *1537 +Dillenburg 06.07.1579

15 362. Hendrik J. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Wolfenbüttel 15.10.1564 +Praag 20.07.1613

15 363. Elisabeth van Denemarken (1573-1625)

15 364. Willem van Oranje, stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland and Utrecht *Dillenburg 24.04.1533 +Delft 10.07.1584

15 365. Louise de Coligny *Châtillon-sur-Loing 23.09.1555 +Fontainebleau 13.11.1620

15 366. Johan A. von Solms-Braunfels

15 367. Agnes von Sayn-Wittgenstein

[...]

16 128. = 8 072.

16 129. = 8 073.

[...]

16 144. Albrecht van Nassau-Weilburg-Saarbrücken *Weilburg 26.06.1537 +Ottweiler 11.11.1593

16 145. Anna van Nassau-Dillenburg *Dillenburg 21.09.1541 +Weilburg 12.02.1616

generation 15

30 720. Willem von Nassau *Dillenburg 10.04.1487 +Dillenburg 06.10.1559

30 721. Juliana zu Stolberg *Stolberg 15.02.1506 +Dillenburg 18.06.1580

30 722. Georg von Leuchtenberg *13.12.1502 +21.05.1555

30 723. Barbara von Brandenburg-Ansbach-Kulmbach *24.09.1495 Ansbach +23.09.1552 Karlsbad

30 724. Julius von Brunswijk-Lüneburg *Wolfenbüttel 29.06.1528 +Wolfenb. 03.05.1589

30 725. Hedwig von Brandenburg (1540-1602)

30 726. Frederik, king of Denmark *Haderslev 01.07.1534 +Antvorskov 04.04.1588

30 727. Sophia von Mecklenburg-Güstrow *04.09.1557 +14.10.1631

30 728. = 30720.

30 729. = 30721.

[...]

32 288. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilnau 20.09.1504 +Weilburg 04.10.1559

32 289. Anna van Mansfeld (1520-1537)

32 290. = 30 720.

32 291. = 30 721.

generation 16

61 440. Jan van Nassau *Breda 09.11.1455 +Dillenburg 30.07.1516

61 441. Elisabeth von Hessen-Marburg *Marburg 1466 +Keulen 1523

61 442. Botho von Stolberg-Wernigerode *Stolberg 04.01.1467 +Stolberg 12.06.1538

61 443. Anna von Eppstein-Königstein *Königstein 1481 +Stolberg 07.08.1538

61 444. Johann von Leuchtenberg *1470 Pfreimd +01.09.1531 Grünsfeld

61 445. Margareta von Schwarzburg +1518

61 446. Friedrich von Brandenburg *08.05.1460 Ansbach +04.04.1536 Ansbach

61 447. Sofia Jagiellonica of Poland *06.05.1464 Krakau Poland +05.10.1512

[...]

64 576. Lodewijk van Nassau-Weilburg *1473 +28.05.1523

64 577. Margaretha van Nassau-Wiesbaden (1487-1548)

generation 17

122 880. Jan von Nassau *Dillenburg 01.08.1410 +Dillenburg 03.02.1475

122 881. Maria von Loon-Heinsberg *1426 +20.04.1502

122 882. Hendrik von Hessen *ca.1440 +13.01.1483 Marburg

122 883. Anna von Katzenelnbogen *05.09.1443 +16.02.1494

122 884. Hendrik von Stolberg

122 885. Margaretha von Mansfeld

122 886. Filips von Eppenstein

122 887. Louise de la Marck

[...]

129 152. Johan van Nassau-Weilburg *27.06.1441 +15.07.1480

129 153. Elisabeth de Schone

129 154. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *10.11.1443 +06.07.1511

129 155. Margaretha van Hanau-Lichtenberg

generation 18

245 760. Engelbrecht von Nassau *Dillenburg ca.1375 +Breda 03.05.1442

245 761. Johanna van Polanen *10.01.1392 +Breda 15.05.1445

245 762. Johan van Loon-Heinsberg *1360 +24.01.1438

245 763. Anna Margarethe von Solms-Braunfels *1390 +25.11.1433

245 764. Lodewijk von Hessen (1402-1458)

245 765. Anna von Saksen

245 766. Philipp von Katzenelnbogen (1402-1479)

245 767. Anna von Württemberg (1408-1471)

[...]

258 304. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg *14.03.1418 +Mainz 19.03.1492

258 305. Margaretha van Loon

[...]

258 308. Johan van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1419 +09.05.1480

258 309. Maria van Nassau-Dillenburg (1418-1472)

generation 19

491 520. Johan von Nassau *1339 +Herborn 04.09.1416

491 521. Margaretha van der Marck *ca.1345 +29.09.1409

491 522. Jan van Polanen *1340 +10.08.1394

491 523. Odilia von Salm-Ravenstein *ca.1370 +22.06.1428

491 524. Godfried van Loon-Heinsberg (1325-1395)

491 525. Filippa van Gulik *1320 +24.08.1390

491 526. Otto van Solms *1340 +15.03.1409

491 527. Agnes van Falkenstein *1355 +01.09.1409

[...]

516 608. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg-Saarbrücken *Saarbrücken 1368 +Wiesbaden 02.07.1429

516 609. Isabella van Lotharingen (1397-1455)

[...]

516 616. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1386 +16.07.1426

516 617. Margaretha van Baden-Baden (1404-1442)

516 618. = 245 760.

516 619. = 245 761.

generation 20

983 040. Otto von Nassau (1305-1350)

983 041. Adelheid van Vianden *Grimbergen 1309 +1376

983 042. Adolf van der Mark (?-1347)

983 043. Margaretha van Kleef (?-1341)

983 044. Jan van Polanen *ca.1325 +Breda 03.11.1378

983 045. Oda van Horne-Altena (1318-1353)

983 046. Johan II von Salm Obersalm Ardennen (1310-1381)

983 047. Philippa van Valkenburg *1340 Sittard +28.08.1355 Sittard

[...]

1 033 216. Johan van Nassau-Weilburg (1309 - 1371)

1 033 217. Johanna van Saarbrücken (?-1390)

[...]

1 033 232. Walram van Nassau-Wiesbaden *1354 +07.11.1393

1 033 233. Bertha van Westerburg

generation 21

1 966 080. Hendrik von Nassau (ca.1270-1343)

1 966 081. Adelheid van Heisburg en Blankenberg (1280-1347)

1 966 082. Filips van Vianden *Vianden ca.1280 +ca.1315

1 966 083. Lucia van de Neuerburg (1275-?)

1 966 084. Engelbert van der Mark (1275-1328)

1 966 085. Mathildis van Aremberg

1 966 086. Diederik van Kleef (1291-1347)

1 966 087. Margaretha van Gelre (?-1333)

[...]

2 066 432. Gerlach van Nassau * before 1288 +07.01.1361

2 066 433. Agnes van Hessen

[...]

2 066 464. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1307 +17.01.1370

2 066 465. Margaretha van Hohenzollern-Neurenberg *ca.1315 +München 19.09.1377

generation 22

3 932 160. Otto von Nassau (ca.1225-1289)

3 932 161. Agnès von Leiningen-Saarbrücken? *ca.1232 +1299 Altenberg

[...]

3 932 164. Godfried van Vianden (?-1310)

3 932 165. Aleidis van Oudenaarde

[...]

4 132 864. Adolf van Nassau, king of the 'holy' Roman empire *1250 +Göllheim 02.07.1298

4 132 865. Imagina van Isenburg-Limburg *ca. 1255 +Wiesbaden 29.09.1318

[...]

4 132 928. = 2 066 432.

4 132 929. = 2 066 433.

generation 23

7 864 320. Hendrik von Nassau (ca.1190-ca.1247)

7 864 321. Machteld van Gelre (1190-1247)

7 864 322. Emich von Leiningen (ca.1215-1281)

7 864 323. Elisabeth d'Aspremont (ca.1218-ca.1264)

[...]

8 264 328. Walram van Nassau (ca.1220-ca.1276)

8 264 329. Adelheid van Katzenelnbogen

8 264 330. Gerlach van Isenburg-Limburg

8 264 331. Imagina van Blieskastel

generation 24

15 728 640. Walram von Nassau (ca.1146 +01.02.1198)

15 728 641. Kunigunde van Ziegenhain

15 728 642. Otto van Gelre *ca.1150 +25.08.1207

15 728 643. Richarda von Wittelsbach *Kelheim 1173 +Roermond 07.12.1231

15 728 644. Friedrich von Leiningen (1185-1237)

15 728 645. Agnes von Eberstein (ca.1180-1251)

15 728 646. Gottfried d'Apremont (?-1250)

15 728 647. Laurette of Saarbrücken *1238 Saarbrücken +24.09.1271

[...]

16 528 656. = 7 864 320.

16 528 657. = 7 864 321.

16 528 658. Diether von Katzenelnbogen +1245

16 528 659. Hildegunde von Eberstein

16 528 660. Heinrich von Isenburg (?-1227)

16 528 661.

Edited March 8, 2012 by Otharus

[Abramelin]

You must be paranoid and/or delusional.

You sure have a habit of calling people names.

And with 'people' I - of course - mean those who do not believe in the OLB.

Oh, and btw: you live in La-la-land.

Well, just to get even.

And what are YOU on??

.

Edited March 8, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

Excellent post Alewyn.

I do hope you loved Swede's reply as much as you loved Alewyn's post.

I think you didn't; he is just too well informed.

And also too polite.

.

Edited March 8, 2012 by Abramelin

[Abramelin]

For the information of whoever is interested, here is some Dutch Royal genealogy, highlighting the Frisian connection.

< skip >

No one is interested in that long and winding list, Otharus.

I have posted about "Friso" the son of the Queen of the Netherlands who is now almost dead after his skiing accident.

[Knul]

Who knows the meaning of ULK ?

MS 38, line 03 (P. 54):Thêr thrvch ne thuradon hja nên strid wither an to spinnande. Nv skolde aejder wâna, thaet hja vral-et folk to hâpe hropen hêde vmbe vs algadur to-t land ut to driwande. Nêan an stêde fon hja to bihluda gvngon hja allerwêikes, âk to tha hêinde Krêkalana til tha Alpa ut to kêthane, thaet et thene allervrste drochten hâgth hêde sin wisa toghater Min-erva, to nômth Nyhellênia êmong tha maenniska to sendane in overa sê mith-en ulk, vmbe tha manniska gode rêd to jêvane aend that allermannalik, thêr hja hêra wilde, rik aend lukich skolde wertha, aend ênis bâs skolde wertha ovir alle kêningkrik irtha.s. Hira byldnese staeldon hja vppe hjara aeltaerum, jeftha hja vrsellade-t anda dvma maenniska.

Ottema translates wolk (cloud), but it makes no sense.I think it was a horn or shell (h-ulk ?) to make one's voice louder as used on ships, so that commands are heard nevertheless the noise of wind and waves. An attribute of Minerva is a flute, which comes close. This flute (vuvuzela) is used by stockmen, shepherds. We meet the sheep in the story of Nyhellenia (= Minerva). The horn (toethoorn) is also used during the Maifest (pag. 130).

The problem with Ottema was, that he didn't know about marine terminology, so he asked Cornelis over de Linden to explain marine items.The Halbertsma's used to sail (skutjesilen) on the lakes between Grouw and Sneek.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Knul

[Knul]

For the information of whoever is interested, here is some Dutch Royal genealogy, highlighting the Frisian connection.

Explanation:

* = birth, + = death

the parents of person X are always the number of X doubled (father) and doubled plus 1 (mother);

example: parents of

7 child

are:

14 father

15 mother

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

generation 1

1. Willem-Alexander C.G.F. von Amsberg, crown prince of the Netherlands *Utrecht 27.04.1967

generation 2

2. Klaus-Georg W.O.F.G. von Amsberg *Hitzacker 06.09.1926 +Amsterdam 06.10.2002

3. Beatrix W.A. van Lippe-Biesterfeld, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 31.01.1938

generation 3

4. Klaus F.F.L.G.A.J.A. von Amsberg *Rehna 01.09.1890 +Jasebeck 19.12.1953

5. Gösta J.A.M.M. von dem Bussche *Doberan 26.01.1902 +Hitzacker 13.06.1996

6. Bernhard L.F.E.J.K.K.G.P. zur Lippe von Biesterfeld *Jena 28.06.1911 +Utrecht 01.12.2004

7. Juliana L.E.M.W. von Mecklenburg, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 30.04.1909 +Soestdijk 20.03.2004

generation 4

8. Wilhelm K.F.A.L. von Amsberg *15.01.1856 Rostock PL +Bad Doberan 25.02.1929

9. Elise H.A. von Vieregge *21.01.1866 Steinhausen D +

10. Georg von dem Bussche Haddenhausen *Wien 11.05.1869 +Hitzacker 23.02.1923

11. Gabriele M.A.L. von dem Bussche-Ippenburg *Dresden 24.02.1877 +Hitzacker 28.06.1973

12. Bernhard K.F.G.H.W.E. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld *Oberkassel 26.08.1872 +München 19.06.1934

13. Armgard K.A.A.Oda von Cramm *Driburg 18.12.1883 +Diepenheim 27.04.1971

14. Heinrich V.A. von Mecklenburg *Schwerin 19.04.1876 +Den Haag 03.07.1934

15. Wilhelmina H.P.M. van Oranje-Nassau, queen of the Netherlands *Den Haag 31.08.1880 +Apeldoorn 28.11.1962

generation 5

24. Ernst K.F.K.E. zur Lippe-Biesterfeld *Oberkassel 09.06.1842 +Lopshorn 26.09.1904

25. Karoline F.C.K. von Wartensleben *Mannheim 06.04.1844 +Detmold 10.07.1905

26. Aschwin von Cramm *Löhndorf 29.03.1846 +Reckenwalde 14.10.1909

27. S.B.L.F. Hedwig von Sierstorpff *Münster 22.11.1848 +Hannover 10.01.1900

28. Friedrich F. zu Mecklenburg Schwerin *Ludwigslust 28.02.1823 +Schwerin 15.04.1883

29. Marie K.A. von Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt *Raben Steinfeld 29.01.1850 +Den Haag 22.04.1922

30. Willem Alexander P.F.L. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *19.02.1817 Brüssel +23.11.1890 Apeldoorn

31. A.Emma W.T. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *Arolsen 02.08.1858 +Den Haag 20.03.1934

generation 6

56. Paul F. von Mecklenburg * 15.09.1800 Ludwigslust †07.03.1842 Schwerin

57. Friederike W.A.M.H. von Preußen, *Potsdam 23.02.1803 +Schwerin 21.04.1892

58. Adolf von Schwarzburg-Rudolstadt (1801-1875)

59. Mathilda von Schönburg-Waldenburg (1826-1914)

60. Willem F.G.L. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *Den Haag 06.12.1792 +Tilburg 17.03.1849

61. Anna Paulowna van Rusland *Sint-Petersburg 18.01.1795 +Den Haag 01.03.1865

62. George V. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *Arolsen 14.01.1831 +Mariënbad 12.05.1893

63. Helena W.H.P.M. von Nassau-Weilburg *Wiesbaden 12.08.1831 +Arolsen 27.10.1888

generation 7

120. Willem F. van Oranje-Nassau, king of the Netherlands *Den Haag 24.08.1772 +Berlijn 12.12.1843

121. Frederica L.W. von Preußen *Potsdam 18.11.1774 +Den Haag 12.10.1837

122. Paul Petrovitsj, tsar of Russia *St.Petersburg 01.10.1754 +St.Petersburg 23.03.1801

123. Sophia D.A.L. von Württemberg *Szczecin 25.10.1759 +St.Petersburg 05.11.1828

124. Georg H. von Waldeck-Pyrmont *20.09.1789 Weil-am-Rhein +15.05.1845 Arolsen

125. Emma von Anhalt-Bernburg-Schaumburg-Hoym *20.05.1802 Schaumburg +01.08.1858 Pyrmont

126. G.Willem A.H.B. von Nassau-Weilburg *Kirchheimbolanden 14.06.1792 +Kissingen 30.08.1839

127. Pauline F.M. von Württemberg *Stuttgart 25.02.1810 +Wiesbaden 07.07.1856

generation 8

240. Willem "Batavus" van Oranje-Nassau, stadtholder of the Republic of United Netherlands *Den Haag 08.03.1748 +Brunswijk 09.04.1806

241. Frederica S.W. von Preußen *Berlijn 07.08.1751 +Apeldoorn 09.06.1820

242. Frederik W. von Preußen *Berlijn 25.09.1744 +Potsdam 16.11.1797

243. Frederika L. van Hessen-Darmstadt *Prenzlau 16.10.1751 +Berlijn 14.08.1805

244. Sergej Saltykov, lover of tsarina

245. Catharina Aleksejevna, tsarina of Russia *Stettin 02.05.1729 +Selo 17.11.1796)

246. Frederik E. van Württemberg *Stuttgart 21.01.1732 +Hohenheim 23.12.1797

247. Friederike D.S. van Brandenburg-Schwedt *Schwedt 18.12.1736 +Stuttgart 09.03.1798

[...]

252. Frederik W. van Nassau-Weilburg *Den Haag 25.10.1768 +Weilburg 09.01.1816

253. L.Isabelle A.A. Sayn-Hachenburg-Kirchberg *Hachenburg 19.04.1772 +Wenen 06.01.1827

generation 9

480. Willem K.H.Friso van Oranje-Nassau, stadtholder of the Republic of United Provinces *Leeuwarden 01.09.1711 +Den Haag 22.10.1751

481. Anna von Hannover *Hannover 02.11.1709 +Den Haag 12.01.1759

482. August W. von Preußen *Berlijn 09.08.1722 +Oranienburg 12.06.1758

483. Louise A. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Bevern 29.01.1722 +Berlijn 23.01.1780

484. = 482.

485. = 483.

486. Lodewijk van Hessen-Darmstadt *Darmstadt 15.12.1719 +Pirmasens 06.04.1790

487. Henriëtte C.C.L. van Palts-Zweibrücken *Straatsburg 09.03.1721 +Darmstadt 30.03.1774

[...]

504. Karel C. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 16.01.1735 +Münster-Dreissen 28.11.1788

505. Carolina van Oranje-Nassau *Leeuwarden 28.02.1743 +Kirchheimbolanden 05.03.1787

generation 10

960. Johan W.Friso von Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland and Groningen *Dessau 04.08.1687 +Strijensas 14.07.1711

961. Maria Louise von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 07.02.1688 +Leeuwarden 09.04.1765

962. George August von Hannover, king of Great Brittain *Hannover 10.11.1683 +Londen 25.10.1760

963. Wilhelmina Charlotte Caroline von Brandenburg-Ansbach *Ansbach 01.03.1683 +Londen 20.11.1737

964. Frederik Willem von Preußen *Berlijn 14.08.1688 +Potsdam 31.05.1740

965. Sophia Dorothea von Hannover *Hannover 16.03.1687 +Berlijn 28.06.1757

966. Ferdinand Albrecht von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Bevern 29.05.1680 +Salzdahlum 13.09.1735

967. Antoinette Amalia von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *22.04.1696 +06.03.1762

[...]

1 008. Karel A. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 17.09.1685 +Weilburg 09.11.1753

1 009. Augusta F. van Nassau-Idstein *27.08.1699 +1750 Weilburg

1 010. = 480.

1 011. = 481.

generation 11

1 920. Hendrik C. van Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland and Groningen *Den Haag 18.01.1657 +Leeuwarden 25.03.1696

1 921. Henriëtte A.M. von Anhalt-Dessau *Kleef 16.08.1666 +Oraniënstein 18.04.1726

1 922. Karel von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 03.08.1654 +Kassel 23.03.1730

1 923. Maria A. von Koerland (1653-1711)

1 924. George L. von Hannover, king of Great Brittain *Hannover 28.03.1660 +Osnabrück 10.06.1727

1 925. Sophia D. de Celle *Celle 15.09.1666 +Ahlden 13.11.1726

1 926. Johan F. von Brandenburg-Ansbach *Ansbach 08.10.1654 +Ansbach 22.03.1686

1 927. Eleonora E.L. von Saksen-Eisenach *Friedewald 13.04.1662 +Pretzsch 09.09.1696

[...]

2 016. Johan E. van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 13.06.1664 +Heidelberg 27.02.1719

2 017. Maria Polyxena van Leiningen-Dachsburg-Hartenburg

2 018. George A.S. van Nassau-Idstein *Idstein 26.02.1665 +Biebrich 26.10.1721

2 019. Henriette D. van Oettingen-Oettingen

generation 12

3 840. Willem F. van Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe *Arnhem 07.08.1613 +Leeuwarden 31.10.1664

3 841. Albertine A. van Nassau *Den Haag 09.04.1634 +Oranjewoud FR 24.05.1696

3 842. Johan G. von Anhalt-Dessau *Dessau 17.11.1627 +Berlijn 07.08.1693

3 843. Henriëtte C. van Nassau *Den Haag 10.02.1637 +Oranienbaum 03.11.1708

3 844. Willem von Hessen-Kassel *Kassel 23.05.1629 +Haina 16.07.1663

3 845. Hedwig S. von Brandenburg *Berlijn 14.07.1623 +Schmalkalden 26.06.1683

3 846. Jacob Kettler *Goldingen 28.10.1610 +Mitau 01.01.1682

3 847. Louise C. von Brandenburg *Berlijn 13.09.1617 +Mitau 29.08.1676

[...]

4 032. Frederik van Nassau-Weilburg *Metz 26.04.1640 +08.09.1675

4 033. Christina E. van Sayn-Wittgenstein-Homburg

[...]

4 036. Johan van Nassau-Idstein *Saarbrücken 24.11.1603 +Idstein 22.05.1677

4 037. Anna van Leiningen-Dagsburg (1625-1688)

generation 13

7 680. Ernst C. von Nassau-Dietz, stadtholder of Friesland, Groningen and Drenthe *Dillenburg 22.12.1573 +Roermond 02.06.1632

7 681. Sophia H. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Wolfenbüttel 20.02.1594 +Arnhem 23.01.1642

7 682. Frederik H. van Oranje, Stadhouder of Holland, Zeeland, Utrecht, Gelderland, Overijsel and Groningen *Delft 29.01.1584 +Den Haag 14.03.1647

7 683. Amalia von Solms *Braunfels 31.08.1602 +Den Haag 08.09.1675

7 684. Johan C. von Anhalt-Dessau *Dessau 07.12.1596 +Dessau 15.07.1660

7 685. Agnes von Hessen-Kassel (1606-1650)

7 686. = 7682.

7 687. = 7683.

[...]

8 064. Ernst C. van Nassau-Weilburg *Saarbrücken 15.11.1607 +Weilburg 1655

8 065. Maria van Sayn-Wittgenstein (1610-1656)

[...]

8 072. Lodewijk van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilburg 09.058.1565 +Saarbrücken 08.11.1627

8 073. Anna M. van Hessen-Kassel (1567-1626)

generation 14

15 360. Jan von Nassau *Dillenburg 22.11.1536 +Dillenburg 08.10.1606

15 361. Elisabeth von Leuchtenberg *1537 +Dillenburg 06.07.1579

15 362. Hendrik J. von Brunswijk-Wolfenbüttel *Wolfenbüttel 15.10.1564 +Praag 20.07.1613

15 363. Elisabeth van Denemarken (1573-1625)

15 364. Willem van Oranje, stadtholder of Holland, Zeeland and Utrecht *Dillenburg 24.04.1533 +Delft 10.07.1584

15 365. Louise de Coligny *Châtillon-sur-Loing 23.09.1555 +Fontainebleau 13.11.1620

15 366. Johan A. von Solms-Braunfels

15 367. Agnes von Sayn-Wittgenstein

[...]

16 128. = 8 072.

16 129. = 8 073.

[...]

16 144. Albrecht van Nassau-Weilburg-Saarbrücken *Weilburg 26.06.1537 +Ottweiler 11.11.1593

16 145. Anna van Nassau-Dillenburg *Dillenburg 21.09.1541 +Weilburg 12.02.1616

generation 15

30 720. Willem von Nassau *Dillenburg 10.04.1487 +Dillenburg 06.10.1559

30 721. Juliana zu Stolberg *Stolberg 15.02.1506 +Dillenburg 18.06.1580

30 722. Georg von Leuchtenberg *13.12.1502 +21.05.1555

30 723. Barbara von Brandenburg-Ansbach-Kulmbach *24.09.1495 Ansbach +23.09.1552 Karlsbad

30 724. Julius von Brunswijk-Lüneburg *Wolfenbüttel 29.06.1528 +Wolfenb. 03.05.1589

30 725. Hedwig von Brandenburg (1540-1602)

30 726. Frederik, king of Denmark *Haderslev 01.07.1534 +Antvorskov 04.04.1588

30 727. Sophia von Mecklenburg-Güstrow *04.09.1557 +14.10.1631

30 728. = 30720.

30 729. = 30721.

[...]

32 288. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg *Weilnau 20.09.1504 +Weilburg 04.10.1559

32 289. Anna van Mansfeld (1520-1537)

32 290. = 30 720.

32 291. = 30 721.

generation 16

61 440. Jan van Nassau *Breda 09.11.1455 +Dillenburg 30.07.1516

61 441. Elisabeth von Hessen-Marburg *Marburg 1466 +Keulen 1523

61 442. Botho von Stolberg-Wernigerode *Stolberg 04.01.1467 +Stolberg 12.06.1538

61 443. Anna von Eppstein-Königstein *Königstein 1481 +Stolberg 07.08.1538

61 444. Johann von Leuchtenberg *1470 Pfreimd +01.09.1531 Grünsfeld

61 445. Margareta von Schwarzburg +1518

61 446. Friedrich von Brandenburg *08.05.1460 Ansbach +04.04.1536 Ansbach

61 447. Sofia Jagiellonica of Poland *06.05.1464 Krakau Poland +05.10.1512

[...]

64 576. Lodewijk van Nassau-Weilburg *1473 +28.05.1523

64 577. Margaretha van Nassau-Wiesbaden (1487-1548)

generation 17

122 880. Jan von Nassau *Dillenburg 01.08.1410 +Dillenburg 03.02.1475

122 881. Maria von Loon-Heinsberg *1426 +20.04.1502

122 882. Hendrik von Hessen *ca.1440 +13.01.1483 Marburg

122 883. Anna von Katzenelnbogen *05.09.1443 +16.02.1494

122 884. Hendrik von Stolberg

122 885. Margaretha von Mansfeld

122 886. Filips von Eppenstein

122 887. Louise de la Marck

[...]

129 152. Johan van Nassau-Weilburg *27.06.1441 +15.07.1480

129 153. Elisabeth de Schone

129 154. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *10.11.1443 +06.07.1511

129 155. Margaretha van Hanau-Lichtenberg

generation 18

245 760. Engelbrecht von Nassau *Dillenburg ca.1375 +Breda 03.05.1442

245 761. Johanna van Polanen *10.01.1392 +Breda 15.05.1445

245 762. Johan van Loon-Heinsberg *1360 +24.01.1438

245 763. Anna Margarethe von Solms-Braunfels *1390 +25.11.1433

245 764. Lodewijk von Hessen (1402-1458)

245 765. Anna von Saksen

245 766. Philipp von Katzenelnbogen (1402-1479)

245 767. Anna von Württemberg (1408-1471)

[...]

258 304. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg *14.03.1418 +Mainz 19.03.1492

258 305. Margaretha van Loon

[...]

258 308. Johan van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1419 +09.05.1480

258 309. Maria van Nassau-Dillenburg (1418-1472)

generation 19

491 520. Johan von Nassau *1339 +Herborn 04.09.1416

491 521. Margaretha van der Marck *ca.1345 +29.09.1409

491 522. Jan van Polanen *1340 +10.08.1394

491 523. Odilia von Salm-Ravenstein *ca.1370 +22.06.1428

491 524. Godfried van Loon-Heinsberg (1325-1395)

491 525. Filippa van Gulik *1320 +24.08.1390

491 526. Otto van Solms *1340 +15.03.1409

491 527. Agnes van Falkenstein *1355 +01.09.1409

[...]

516 608. Filips van Nassau-Weilburg-Saarbrücken *Saarbrücken 1368 +Wiesbaden 02.07.1429

516 609. Isabella van Lotharingen (1397-1455)

[...]

516 616. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1386 +16.07.1426

516 617. Margaretha van Baden-Baden (1404-1442)

516 618. = 245 760.

516 619. = 245 761.

generation 20

983 040. Otto von Nassau (1305-1350)

983 041. Adelheid van Vianden *Grimbergen 1309 +1376

983 042. Adolf van der Mark (?-1347)

983 043. Margaretha van Kleef (?-1341)

983 044. Jan van Polanen *ca.1325 +Breda 03.11.1378

983 045. Oda van Horne-Altena (1318-1353)

983 046. Johan II von Salm Obersalm Ardennen (1310-1381)

983 047. Philippa van Valkenburg *1340 Sittard +28.08.1355 Sittard

[...]

1 033 216. Johan van Nassau-Weilburg (1309 - 1371)

1 033 217. Johanna van Saarbrücken (?-1390)

[...]

1 033 232. Walram van Nassau-Wiesbaden *1354 +07.11.1393

1 033 233. Bertha van Westerburg

generation 21

1 966 080. Hendrik von Nassau (ca.1270-1343)

1 966 081. Adelheid van Heisburg en Blankenberg (1280-1347)

1 966 082. Filips van Vianden *Vianden ca.1280 +ca.1315

1 966 083. Lucia van de Neuerburg (1275-?)

1 966 084. Engelbert van der Mark (1275-1328)

1 966 085. Mathildis van Aremberg

1 966 086. Diederik van Kleef (1291-1347)

1 966 087. Margaretha van Gelre (?-1333)

[...]

2 066 432. Gerlach van Nassau * before 1288 +07.01.1361

2 066 433. Agnes van Hessen

[...]

2 066 464. Adolf van Nassau-Wiesbaden-Idstein *1307 +17.01.1370

2 066 465. Margaretha van Hohenzollern-Neurenberg *ca.1315 +München 19.09.1377

generation 22

3 932 160. Otto von Nassau (ca.1225-1289)

3 932 161. Agnès von Leiningen-Saarbrücken? *ca.1232 +1299 Altenberg

[...]

3 932 164. Godfried van Vianden (?-1310)

3 932 165. Aleidis van Oudenaarde

[...]

4 132 864. Adolf van Nassau, king of the 'holy' Roman empire *1250 +Göllheim 02.07.1298

4 132 865. Imagina van Isenburg-Limburg *ca. 1255 +Wiesbaden 29.09.1318

[...]

4 132 928. = 2 066 432.

4 132 929. = 2 066 433.

generation 23

7 864 320. Hendrik von Nassau (ca.1190-ca.1247)

7 864 321. Machteld van Gelre (1190-1247)

7 864 322. Emich von Leiningen (ca.1215-1281)

7 864 323. Elisabeth d'Aspremont (ca.1218-ca.1264)

[...]

8 264 328. Walram van Nassau (ca.1220-ca.1276)

8 264 329. Adelheid van Katzenelnbogen

8 264 330. Gerlach van Isenburg-Limburg

8 264 331. Imagina van Blieskastel

generation 24

15 728 640. Walram von Nassau (ca.1146 +01.02.1198)

15 728 641. Kunigunde van Ziegenhain

15 728 642. Otto van Gelre *ca.1150 +25.08.1207

15 728 643. Richarda von Wittelsbach *Kelheim 1173 +Roermond 07.12.1231

15 728 644. Friedrich von Leiningen (1185-1237)

15 728 645. Agnes von Eberstein (ca.1180-1251)

15 728 646. Gottfried d'Apremont (?-1250)

15 728 647. Laurette of Saarbrücken *1238 Saarbrücken +24.09.1271

[...]

16 528 656. = 7 864 320.

16 528 657. = 7 864 321.

16 528 658. Diether von Katzenelnbogen +1245

16 528 659. Hildegunde von Eberstein

16 528 660. Heinrich von Isenburg (?-1227)

16 528 661.

Please ask the board to remove this list from this site. It has nothing to do with the subject.

[The Puzzler]

I do hope you loved Swede's reply as much as you loved Alewyn's post.

I think you didn't; he is just too well informed.

And also too polite.

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Swede's only as informed as the most recent scholastic decisions are made, which are not always correct and of which, many are only guesses. His posts lack imagination and feeling, no, I liked Alewyn's much better.

And Otharus, what are you trying to prove? That picture is terrible, it's giving me the creeps.

[cormac mac airt]

Swede's only as informed as the most recent scholastic decisions are made, which are not always correct and of which, many are only guesses.

You obviously understand nothing about Swede nor the information he presents. That's sad.

His posts lack imagination and feeling...

The only think Swede's posts "lack" are fabrication and manipulation of the facts. And much thanks to him for that, as we have enough people at UM making it up as they go along. Reality is evidently too much for some to handle.

cormac

[The Puzzler]

You obviously understand nothing about Swede nor the information he presents. That's sad.

The only think Swede's posts "lack" are fabrication and manipulation of the facts. And much thanks to him for that, as we have enough people at UM making it up as they go along. Reality is evidently too much for some to handle.

cormac

Lucky I'm not one of those.

There's not much to understand except he posts the latest general scientific information.

Sometimes you need some imagination to push science further in it's investigations which often seem to give no clear answers at the best of times.

According to current knowledge, Tunguska-like impacts occur every 100 years or so. It is, therefore, not far-fetched to hypothesise that a super-Tunguska may occur every 2,000, 3,000 or 5,000 years and would be capable of triggering ecological crises on a continental or even global scale. In the past, sceptics have demanded the evidence of a crater before they would accept an argument of cosmic impact, but it is now becoming understood that no crater is necessary for disastrous consequences to ensue. The difficulty this leaves scholarship, however, is that in a Tunguska Event no direct evidence is left behind. It may be impossible to prove that one ever took place in the distant past.

http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba30/Ba30feat.html

Even science (and therefore Swede) may be beyond giving us the true answers, when science is incapable of finding them.

[Otharus]

Please ask the board to remove this list from this site. It has nothing to do with the subject.

If you didn't like that post, why did you quote all of it?

We are discussing a manuscript that is supposed to be a copy from the 13th century.

My post was a bridge of family relations (24 generations) from the 13th century till now.

It shows many things.

To give only a few examples:

- names that were used through time (names are an important part of language and culture)

- the connection with Leeuwarden of our current royal family

- the fact that our royal family is hardly of Dutch origin, but nearly 100% German (not judging that)

[Otharus]

That picture is terrible, it's giving me the creeps.

I have changed it.

It was too small anyway.

But in a way it was funny and relevant, I thought, because it shows a bit of Dutch folklore and playing with language and tradition.

OLB is seen by some as a hilarious, blasphemic parody too.

It was a performance in 1970 near Volendam (NH) by artist Jan Cremer (1940), titled:

"Hans Brinker saves Holland by putting his thumb in the Dyke"

[Otharus]

No one is interested in that long and winding list, Otharus.

Speak for yourself.

I have posted about "Friso" the son of the Queen of the Netherlands who is now almost dead after his skiing accident.

Now THAT was irrelevant information.