A Plebiscite, Not an Election

[Socio]

Good read;

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/297352/plebiscite-not-election-dennis-prager

Election Day 2012 will not be a presidential election. It will be a plebiscite.

Americans will not only be voting for a president (and a House and a third of the Senate). They will be participating in a plebiscite on the definition of America.

If Americans reelect the Democrat, Barack Obama, they will have announced that America should be like Western European countries — governed by left-wing values. Americans will have decided that America’s value system — “Liberty,” “In God We Trust,” “E Pluribus Unum” — should be replaced.

The election in November is therefore a plebiscite on the American Revolution.

This article is right, this election is American Liberty vs European style socialism, it will be an IQ litmus test for voting America.

Common sense does not need a college degree" but will it prevail November, only time will tell.

[Royal]

Hi Socio, I read most of the article and the only thing I could think was this person is interjecting snippets here and there to try to factualize their own agenda.Also I don't for a minute believe that our current president is against Liberty!

[preacherman76]

Hi Socio, I read most of the article and the only thing I could think was this person is interjecting snippets here and there to try to factualize their own agenda

No question about that. But what most people dont know is, each side is just one side of the same coin. Both working together for the same goals, and for the same bank. There isnt really a left or a right once you climb the top of that pyramid.

.Also I don't for a minute believe that our current president is against Liberty!

Have you been living under a rock Royal? This administration hates freedom in every way possible. You are talking about a man who openly proclaimed he has the right to detain indefinnitly anyone on this planet including US citizans, on US soil, with no due process what so ever. He can also torcher and or kill any US citizan he deems fit. My goodness I could go on all day long about the freedoms this man has killed, and is openly trying to kill. He wipes his ass with the constitution.

[preacherman76]

Good read;

http://www.nationalr...n-dennis-prager

This article is right, this election is American Liberty vs European style socialism, it will be an IQ litmus test for voting America.

Common sense does not need a college degree" but will it prevail November, only time will tell.

Common sence has already long been thrown out the window, long before this election begins. Romney and 0bama are one. The only guy running in this race that wouldnt have bowed to the establishment is Ron Paul. But they made sure to pull out every trick in the book to make sure he didnt get the nomination, including out right voter fraud. Just ask yourself, and if you dont know do a little research, what is the difference between 0bama and Romney? If you want to save yourself some time, I'll tell you right now. There isnt any. The federal reserve owns this country, and both candidates are thier puppets. Same as every presidencial election there has been over the last 60 years (at least).

[Ashotep]

I agree with preacherman in many respects but I will add that the republicans wanted that bill that gives the right to detain Americans. That's why it was attached to the NDAA so Obama would have to sign it or bankrupt the military. I still wished he hadn't signed it even if it meant abandoning military equipment everywhere and bringing our troops home. I hope he veto's CISPA, the republicans are the ones pushing that.

[preacherman76]

I agree with preacherman in many respects but I will add that the republicans wanted that bill that gives the right to detain Americans. That's why it was attached to the NDAA so Obama would have to sign it or bankrupt the military. I still wished he hadn't signed it even if it meant abandoning military equipment everywhere and bringing our troops home. I hope he veto's CISPA, the republicans are the ones pushing that.

Hey Hilander

You are 100% right that republicans wanted NDAA. But make no mistake, so did 0bama. He just pretended he didnt. Back in 09 he was calling openly for the same exact thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8J_lcHwkvc

And he has the luxury to claim he doesnt think CISPA is a good idea, but he is lieing. He will sign it, cause he wants it. Or I should say his masters want it.

Edited May 2, 2012 by preacherman76

[preacherman76]

Get this straight, there is no republicans and democrats. Its a game to keep we the people divided, so we point the finger at each other, instead of all of them, the real criminals. Its like watching professional wreasling. They arent really against each other at all. Think about it. If there was, the republicans would have called out 0bama when he said he would never detain a America with no due process. Especialy considering it was just a short time ago, he was trying to sell the same concept to the American people.

Edited May 2, 2012 by preacherman76

[The Silver Thong]

PM76 and I dissagree more often then not but he is dead on in what he has said so far. Being rather interested in American politics I have over the years educated myself on the so called democratic practices in the US and it`s not a democracy it`s a republic more akin to the Roman Empire of old if you will. Ron Paul was the only canidate that would have made a difference and could have possibly helped restore some of the US`s prouder days.

The United States government has sold out the people now the people must use the constitution to take it back. Being owned by a bank is no different then being owned or ran by a monarchy.

Edited May 2, 2012 by The Silver Thong

[Royal]

I would have replied sooner but I was digging out from under my rock. It sounds to me like everyone is jumping on this "we're powerless to do anything about our situation because Mr. BIG is running the world" bandwagon. Well, I'm not giving up, nothing is over till we decide it is....was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

[The Silver Thong]

I would have replied sooner but I was digging out from under my rock. It sounds to me like everyone is jumping on this "we're powerless to do anything about our situation because Mr. BIG is running the world" bandwagon. Well, I'm not giving up, nothing is over till we decide it is....was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Ummm you should really read your posts before people like me can quote them LOL

Oh and ya the American people are powerless to change the 2 party system as it is.

Edited May 2, 2012 by The Silver Thong

[preacherman76]

I would have replied sooner but I was digging out from under my rock. It sounds to me like everyone is jumping on this "we're powerless to do anything about our situation because Mr. BIG is running the world" bandwagon. Well, I'm not giving up, nothing is over till we decide it is....was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Sorry about the rock thing, it was uncalled for.

I dont think we are powerless. Nor do I intend to give up either. Its why im speaking to you about it right now. In fact on paper its really easy to restore this republic. This is a war of information. If everyone understood what was going on, this consolidation of power would be over in one election cycle. But so long as the people remain ignorant this will be impossible to stop. So long as people continue to follow the left right paradigm, the bank will rule this country. If you think voting for either one of the two clowns they put before us in anyway brings a change, you are saddly mistaken.

Guess who is the top political donor to both Romney and 0bama. Goldman sacks. That alone should tell you all you need to know about both these treasonist globalist scum.

Edit to add- Germany didnt bomb pearl harbor. Japan did.

Edited May 2, 2012 by preacherman76

[preacherman76]

PM76 and I dissagree more often then not but he is dead on in what he has said so far. Being rather interested in American politics I have over the years educated myself on the so called democratic practices in the US and it`s not a democracy it`s a republic more akin to the Roman Empire of old if you will. Ron Paul was the only canidate that would have made a difference and could have possibly helped restore some of the US`s prouder days.

The United States government has sold out the people now the people must use the constitution to take it back. Being owned by a bank is no different then being owned or ran by a monarchy.

Yea, to my surprize Ive noticed a big change in your political views over the last year or so. Then when you endorced Ron Paul as soon as he anounced he was running, I knew you had fully passed over to the good side of the force.

Edited May 2, 2012 by preacherman76

[Royal]

You make good points preacherman, I can't disagree with you totally. Also the Germany thing was a joke..... I thought everybody had seen "Animal House".

[Socio]

Hi Socio, I read most of the article and the only thing I could think was this person is interjecting snippets here and there to try to factualize their own agenda.Also I don't for a minute believe that our current president is against Liberty!

Here is 20 reasons he is a socialist (anti-Liberty);

Your relationships, whether good or bad, are a reflection of you, Obama's relationships speak volumes about him.

If you really don't think he is then see if you can find 20 reasons why he is not.

[preacherman76]

You make good points preacherman, I can't disagree with you totally. Also the Germany thing was a joke..... I thought everybody had seen "Animal House".

LOL, my bad. Humor escapes me sometimes. I did see animal house, but it was along time ago.

[preacherman76]

Here is 20 reasons he is a socialist (anti-Liberty);

Your relationships, whether good or bad, are a reflection of you, Obama's relationships speak volumes about him.

If you really don't think he is then see if you can find 20 reasons why he is not.

This is actualy another misconception. 0bama isnt a socialist. He is fascist. No socialist would force millions of people to buy health care from a for profit private company. A socialist would tax you to provide health care through the government its self.

[Socio]

This is actualy another misconception. 0bama isnt a socialist. He is fascist. No socialist would force millions of people to buy health care from a for profit private company. A socialist would tax you to provide health care through the government its self.

Is not a Government single-payer plan the intended end result of Obamacare?

[questionmark]

Too late, it already happened. And the majority did not get to vote in 1775...

[preacherman76]

Is not a Government single-payer plan the intended end result of Obamacare?

That was the original deception. He had the votes to pass that if he wanted to, and had the full support of democrats nation wide. But at the last minute he pulled that from the bill. Now think about it. He wasnt going to get support from your average everday republican no matter what health care bill he put forth. So he already had half the country p***ed at him. Why would he pull single payer outta the bill, only to p*** off the other half of the country who supported him? Its cause he never created the bill at all. Insurance companies behind closed doors were the ones who created the bill. Thats the dirty little secret. The insurance companies knew what was going to happen all along. Thats why they were among his top campaign donators. They knew 0bama would implement thier plan to force people, by the millions, to become new customers. By threat of force no less.

edit to add- No insurance company would have donated to 0bamas campaign if they thought for one second he would create competition for them with a government health care plan.

Edited May 2, 2012 by preacherman76

[Corp]

Good read;

http://www.nationalr...n-dennis-prager

This article is right, this election is American Liberty vs European style socialism, it will be an IQ litmus test for voting America.

Common sense does not need a college degree" but will it prevail November, only time will tell.

So vote Republican or you hate America? Seems a tad bias.

[questionmark]

So vote Republican or you hate America? Seems a tad bias.

Not if you are a fanatical Republican....

[Tiggs]

Given that the Republican party has adopted a deliberate fiscal policy of manufacturing financial crisis's to destroy the US Federal Government - this election is most definitely a referendum on the Civil War and Federal vs State Power.

[Socio]

Given that the Republican party has adopted a deliberate fiscal policy of manufacturing financial crisis's to destroy the US Federal Government - this election is most definitely a referendum on the Civil War and Federal vs State Power.

Manufactured?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57400369-503544/national-debt-has-increased-more-under-obama-than-under-bush/

The federal budget sent to Congress last month by Mr. Obama, projects the National Debt will continue to rise as far as the eye can see. The budget shows the Debt hitting $16.3 trillion in 2012, $17.5 trillion in 2013 and $25.9 trillion in 2022.

If Mr. Obama wins re-election, and his budget projections prove accurate, the National Debt will top $20 trillion in 2016, the final year of his second term. That would mean the Debt increased by 87 percent, or $9.34 trillion, during his two terms.

Republican party has adopted a deliberate fiscal policy to try to stop the spending madness and save the Country!

No amount of taxing can cover what we are spending the only logical recourse is to stop it.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

can I just defned socialism for a moment and say the idea of scoialism isn't anti-liberty? If anything it's pro-liberty as the core of it is you achieving all you can do free from restrictions imposed by others, but obeying rules you've accepted as being for the greater good.

Of course this is the ideal, the actual versions we've gotten over the years well and ruely conform to "anti-liberty".

[Tiggs]

Manufactured?

Yes. Manufactured.

As in - Designed.

As in - Created on purpose.

As in - Done deliberately.

As in - Pursued actively as a political policy in order to weaken the country.

The federal budget sent to Congress last month by Mr. Obama, projects the National Debt will continue to rise as far as the eye can see. The budget shows the Debt hitting $16.3 trillion in 2012, $17.5 trillion in 2013 and $25.9 trillion in 2022.

Which is the outcome for virtually any budget where the current Bush Era tax cuts are not repealed.

No amount of taxing can cover what we are spending the only logical recourse is to stop it.

Or, y'know. Reverse the Bush Era Tax cuts.

Or let me put it another way:

Please see how difficult it is to balance the US budget using this budget simulator without reversing the Bush Era Tax cuts or increasing any other taxes.