Likely Guy Posted July 6, 2012 #26 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I somehow feel threatened but also attracted to this person (well, the idea of them as I don't know them). That got me wondering why I always like the bad guy, ask this person (I assume he knows more about human psychology than I do) why people are attracted to 'bad people'? Daddy issues? A sort of self protection? Curious. Danke. Why do you like the 'bad guy'?, probably because you're bored with your present situation. 'This person' that you spoke of, is a user. They will never bring something to the table. It's all about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viviana98 Posted July 6, 2012 #27 Share Posted July 6, 2012 What was exact dx? Primary, secondary or dissocial? And its interesting that you and he have formed what appears to be a deep friendship or bond because most psychopaths are not able to form real attachments...so to Druidus, is he your friend or are you his?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaraKitty Posted July 6, 2012 #28 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Why do you like the 'bad guy'?, probably because you're bored with your present situation. 'This person' that you spoke of, is a user. They will never bring something to the table. It's all about them. Hmm, I think you're right. I am very bored. Holidays are such a drag. danke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted July 6, 2012 #29 Share Posted July 6, 2012 "Other people are simple yet complex. They are guided by emotions. I am purely logical, and I do what I want based on my interpretation of this. I have always been this way. Neurotypicals are weak, they are unable to be themselves and are chained to the perceptions of other humans. I am ME. I will always be ME. And anyone like me is truly free. Truly able to do anything. My operating system comes with more features than other ones, in some ways. And in others, I lack. Yet, the features I lack seem to be glitches; they seem to weaken and lessen the power of others. I am glad that I am different. It makes me superior, though others might not see it due too the masks I put on." What would he think of another psychopath trying manipulate him? I don't think they would see him as superior, but just another tool to be used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted July 6, 2012 #30 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I somehow feel threatened but also attracted to this person (well, the idea of them as I don't know them). That got me wondering why I always like the bad guy, ask this person (I assume he knows more about human psychology than I do) why people are attracted to 'bad people'? Daddy issues? A sort of self protection? Curious. Danke. You should only date women, Zara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted July 6, 2012 #31 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Hum...observation: An admitted liar and manipulator- who claims a dx. of psychopath- has agree to take questions. I'll pass for what I hope are obvious reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted July 6, 2012 #32 Share Posted July 6, 2012 One of our adopted children is a sociopath or maybe even a psychopath. His entire life can be summed up as a guy who has never spoken to his neighbor in 5 years until he decides he needs his neighbor’s chain saw. So he waits to catch him outside and strikes up a “friendly” conversation with his neighbor so he can ask to borrow it. This sociopath is a “friendly” “charming” fellow so the neighbor feels free talking to him and tells a lot about himself. The sociopath files all this away for future reference to use his neighbor again. We all might think “So what? Haven’t we all done that to borrow something or get something?” But this is his entire world. It is how he makes life work for him. This "neighbor" in my example represents every single human in his life. We are objects to our son. He is a chronic liar and manipulator. He has no remorse when he has physically hurt someone or some animal. Not being able to connect to him except on a very superficial level is heartbreaking. To be lied to and never know which end is up from him is frustrating. To hear of him with a new girlfriend, or a new pet is downright frightening. Seeing his current flame head over heels for him and believing he actually loves her is difficult and fearful. He has never had therapy and not learned how to be a successful adult as he is. We love him and can’t help him. We can’t trust him. We can’t allow him alone with our pets or his sister. It took us 4 years to figure out what we were dealing with, how serious his behavioral issues were. He is an artist at manipulating people and had many years to study people being in and out of foster homes for years. Anyway, sorry for the rambling but I really do have questions: Help? Some insight? Some directions for dealing with him? How do you "feel loved"? How might he prefer to be dealt with? That's too many questions, so anything would be helpful. PS He is an adult and does not live at home or even near us. But we are in contact with him frequently. I think you're in control as much as one can be and that's because you're armed with the knowledge of what it is you're up against, whereas many people live a lifetime with a sociopath and never know it because they don't recognize what it is. The world is full of sociopaths, it's just a matter of degree. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super-Fly Posted July 6, 2012 #33 Share Posted July 6, 2012 i dont know what to think of this, is it a professional diagnosis? is there medication availible, if so do you take anythink? ta! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regi Posted July 6, 2012 #34 Share Posted July 6, 2012 i dont know what to think of this, is it a professional diagnosis? Excellent question which should have been the first one asked. It took 33 posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super-Fly Posted July 6, 2012 #35 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Excellent question which should have been the first one asked. It took 33 posts. we got there in the end!! all this seems somewhat, strange? for lack of beter word. maybe because its done over the net ill look forward to the reply thanks OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-C Posted July 6, 2012 #36 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I think you're in control as much as one can be and that's because you're armed with the knowledge of what it is you're up against, whereas many people live a lifetime with a sociopath and never know it because they don't recognize what it is. The world is full of sociopaths, it's just a matter of degree. Yes, you are probably right. I just always hope for someway to reach him. As I said he doesn't know how to live successfully and to have a relationship with your child that is basically a dead one, keeps us looking for answers. we got there in the end!! all this seems somewhat, strange? for lack of beter word. maybe because its done over the net ill look forward to the reply thanks OP. I agree. And I didn't join UM for psychiatric advice. Yet if my son had a serious disease and I saw a post on UM about it. I would definitely read the thread and ask questions. And I'd admit his illness without shame. It is the same for my son's situation. However, it would be foolish of me to not consider the source of any advice. But sometimes you never know what you mind find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomy91 Posted July 6, 2012 #37 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Looks like our psychopath didn't much like the attention he was getting. Psychopaths may seem fascinating like Hannibal Lector in that movie ,Silence of the Lambs, but in reality they are just parasites. They tend too think they have superior intellect which enable them too manipulate people without them knowing it. But sooner or later people tend to realize that this person is constantly lying, and when you really start knowing the person you tend too read them quite well and able to predict their modus operandi. Such a person can be such an annoyance, that talking or working with the person is on the edge of unbearable. It is mostly attributed too the fact that they undermine your intellect whilst stealing, copying your hard work and then taking recognition for it. And you sure as hell can't trust them with anything (any one). I am sorry too burst the bubble but that's just how things are. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanVonErich Posted July 6, 2012 #38 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I am sorry too burst the bubble but that's just how things are. That's your opinion, not a fact. Myself, being a student in Criminology, I think it's a fascinating topic and I think we need to learn more about these people. I agree, some psychopaths might not be reliable, but to say that all of them are constantly lying is wrong. It's the same thing about Serial Killers; some of them are lying all the time, others are a little bit more honest. It's always a gamble when you're dealing with these type of person. There's so many different type of psychopath that putting all of them in one bag is a huge mistake. That's how I see it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldorado Posted July 6, 2012 #39 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Are you armed and do you stay anywhere near me? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order66 Posted July 6, 2012 #40 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Imo, that is the problem, "let's hide things in the closet, you might hurt someone's feelings". I say get it out, search it out. Whatever it takes. Walk through life with a sociopathic or psychopathic son and see how desperate you become. His feelings won't be hurt. I would pay the price not him. I agree it's good to learn, but the problem I see is this: I could say for example my ex is not as emotionally developed as I am, or my ex does hurtful things but feels no guilt about it. If you heard me say that, you might be inclined to take it with a grain as a salt as I might only be giving my side of the story. But if I use a term like sociopath, then suddenly it sounds scientific and objective when you might very well just be getting a one-sided version of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super-Fly Posted July 6, 2012 #41 Share Posted July 6, 2012 I agree. And I didn't join UM for psychiatric advice. Yet if my son had a serious disease and I saw a post on UM about it. I would definitely read the thread and ask questions. And I'd admit his illness without shame. It is the same for my son's situation. However, it would be foolish of me to not consider the source of any advice. But sometimes you never know what you mind find. yeah, i have asked questions, and i do agree it does have the makings to become quite interesting, but for me the way in which it is being done is somwhat strange to me. thanks, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Right Wing Posted July 6, 2012 #42 Share Posted July 6, 2012 yeah, i have asked questions, and i do agree it does have the makings to become quite interesting, but for me the way in which it is being done is somwhat strange to me. thanks, Yes this debate is actually about the OP trying to convince people he's psycho when he isnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super-Fly Posted July 6, 2012 #43 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Yes this debate is actually about the OP trying to convince people he's psycho when he isnt. it did come to mind, but id like to see how things play out! thanks,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfknight Posted July 6, 2012 #44 Share Posted July 6, 2012 What makes you so different? What sets you off into a Psychopathic rage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-C Posted July 6, 2012 #45 Share Posted July 6, 2012 (edited) I agree it's good to learn, but the problem I see is this: I could say for example my ex is not as emotionally developed as I am, or my ex does hurtful things but feels no guilt about it. If you heard me say that, you might be inclined to take it with a grain as a salt as I might only be giving my side of the story. But if I use a term like sociopath, then suddenly it sounds scientific and objective when you might very well just be getting a one-sided version of events. Yes, that is true for everything we hear. And you may look at everything that way. And considering both sides is very often a good outlook, but not always. In fact, in certain situations it can be detrimental, when it gets stuck there and prohibits a diagnosis, progress or solutions. I know what my son is from hours with multiple psychiatrists and psychologists and police and human resource personnel and my hours of research. The only thing we don't know is was he born this way or created by his environment. I will keep searching for answers in my offensively bold way. And maybe end up with something one day. Edited July 6, 2012 by QuiteContrary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-C Posted July 6, 2012 #46 Share Posted July 6, 2012 it appears the doctor is not in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super-Fly Posted July 9, 2012 #47 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Still waiting.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pallidin Posted July 9, 2012 #48 Share Posted July 9, 2012 Maybe his psychopathic "friend" is out doing psychopathic stuff. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweetpumper Posted July 10, 2012 #49 Share Posted July 10, 2012 (edited) The scariest thing to me about this is how ignorant a lot of psychiatrists, social workers, youth counselors, etc. are about this subject. Edited July 10, 2012 by Sweetpumper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloo25 Posted July 10, 2012 #50 Share Posted July 10, 2012 I aint buying this 1 little bit, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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