+DieChecker Posted August 8, 2012 #51 Share Posted August 8, 2012 How can Obama lose? Where again is the free healthcare? The law Obama signed simply is trying to make insurance more affordable, not free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoIverine Posted August 8, 2012 #52 Share Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) How can Obama lose? If Romney selects Rand Paul as his VP, he may win. Edited August 8, 2012 by Spid3rCyd3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startraveler Posted August 8, 2012 #53 Share Posted August 8, 2012 (edited) Did President Obama, or did he not, sign an executive order to provide Welfare waivers to those not seeking work? Because it seems like he did. Even House democrats are going on the Record as saying that this counters the spirit of the Clinton Era welfare reform law. No, he didn't sign an executive order. The Social Security Act has always offered the option of waiving portions of that law (under Section 1115) "in the case of any experimental, pilot, or demonstration project which, in the judgment of the Secretary, is likely to assist in promoting the [Act's] objectives . . . in a State or States." There are states that operate their entire Medicaid programs under 1115 demonstration waivers, for example. Multiple states, including red states like Utah and Nevada, asked the administration for more flexibility in finding ways to more effectively meet the goals of welfare reform (e.g. you can actually read Utah's letter here). That doesn't mean "you just get a check," as Lyin' Mitt might say, it means loosening overly prescriptive federal rules for how states get people back to work. So what the administration did was issue guidance that allows states who have a better idea to submit waiver applications under Section 1115 of the Social Security Act (as they already do when they want to experiment with improving other programs under the SSA, such as Medicaid). These are waivers for states, not people. HHS was extremely clear in that guidance that states don't get to reverse the welfare-to-work goals and approaches of the reform law. For instance: As described below, however, HHS will only consider approving waivers relating to the work participation requirements that make changes intended to lead to more effective means of meeting the work goals of TANF. Moreover, HHS is committed to ensuring that any demonstration projects approved under this authority will be focused on improving employment outcomes and contributing to the evidence base for effective programs; The guidance is also very clear that all waiver applications from states must have a robust plans for evaluating if the demonstration is successful at improving employment outcomes, and it has to have specific performance measures for showing that as it goes. If the state isn't meeting its goals and improving its employment outcomes for folks receiving assistance, the demonstration waiver gets terminated. In other words, the idea of the waiver is to increase the number of people on public assistance seeking or achieving employment. There was a time when folks on the right argued that states knew better than the federal government how to achieve good outcomes in social programs; they just needed a little flexibility (with the requisite accountability for their outcomes, one presumes) to get out from the overly prescriptive yolk of federal rules and they could really dazzle us with their ingenuity. I suppose that applause line has outlived its usefulness. Regardless, Romney now has spent two days lying about what's happening here and I expect he'll continue. Edited August 8, 2012 by Startraveler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted August 9, 2012 #54 Share Posted August 9, 2012 Thanks Startraveler. You alway seem able to crunch down the specifics of these things into reasonable posts. So the whole "Obama is handing out free welfare" is just Election Year propaganda? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyridium Posted August 9, 2012 Author #55 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I agree that workers will be "charged" with healthcare if forced to purchase it. Please tell me how much people on welfare will have to pay. I understand that everyone will be covered, but will the poor also have to pay for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startraveler Posted August 10, 2012 #56 Share Posted August 10, 2012 So the whole "Obama is handing out free welfare" is just Election Year propaganda? Yes, that's the opposite of what the administration is doing. Romney has a tendency to say things that have no relation to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karmakazi Posted August 10, 2012 #57 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Yes, that's the opposite of what the administration is doing. Romney has a tendency to say things that have no relation to reality. To be fair, that describes most politicians... especially at campaign time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 10, 2012 #58 Share Posted August 10, 2012 (edited) To be fair some people posting things on the internet seem to be proganda agents for one side or another. It's amazing just how knowlegable some people seem to be when they apparently spend all of thier time in discussion forums. It's almost like they are fulfilling an agenda isn't it? startraveller Edited August 10, 2012 by OverSword 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
praetorian-legio XIII Posted August 10, 2012 #59 Share Posted August 10, 2012 Well done Pyridium! After reading all your posts on this topic I am impressed. I've never read a better protrayal of an ignorant, under educated, under informed, over opinionated, self indulgent, self involved, lazy, drain on society. It was great! Again, well done. I wish I had the ability to make a point so overwhelming clear. Your my hero. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 10, 2012 #60 Share Posted August 10, 2012 RomneyHood wants to reinstate the "work requirement" in welfare. How exactly is that a bad thing? "Work for the Dole" is something that works (pardon the pun) well here. The "work" can be as simple as delievering meals to the elderly, working in an Op shop, I know someone who gets their dole by working at their kids school as an odd-jobs man (often in the "tuckshop" (the refectory))... it's a great way of getting work out of people who for whatever reason can't hold down a steady job but can contribute to the community. We still have dole bludgers, but at least this way we're getting something out of them that might be beneficial to the wider community. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyridium Posted August 11, 2012 Author #61 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Thanks, Praetorian-Legio. I think you just described most of the people on the govt. dole. With over 50% of this nation on some form of govt. assistance, and growing every day, this is the face of the "new majority". I tell it as I see it. Socialism, here we come! The republican party is dead, long live the new society. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startraveler Posted August 11, 2012 #62 Share Posted August 11, 2012 To be fair some people posting things on the internet seem to be proganda agents for one side or another. It's amazing just how knowlegable some people seem to be when they apparently spend all of thier time in discussion forums. It's almost like they are fulfilling an agenda isn't it? startraveller Facts aren't nearly as hard to come by as folks would have you believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted August 11, 2012 #63 Share Posted August 11, 2012 Facts aren't nearly as hard to come by as folks would have you believe. In fact I am always surprised at the ignorance of facts in many discussions. They are easy to get, easier to ignore(especially if they go against prejudices). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiggs Posted August 11, 2012 #64 Share Posted August 11, 2012 To be fair some people posting things on the internet seem to be proganda agents for one side or another. It's amazing just how knowlegable some people seem to be when they apparently spend all of thier time in discussion forums. It's almost like they are fulfilling an agenda isn't it? startraveller God forbid that intelligent people capable of researching things should be allowed to take political positions in a politics forum, of all places. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyridium Posted August 11, 2012 Author #65 Share Posted August 11, 2012 I expect that people that post in this forum are somewhat knowledgeable on the facts and post heartfelt opinions. I saw the Obama victory the day I posted this thread. My main objective was to show the highlights of each party. It is very true that this election will be a real turning point for our economy and our politics. This election will dictate which direction this country takes to solve the debt and how to manage the safety nets. Dems will vote for Obama, Repubs will vote for Romney...it is all a matter of turnout. I still predict an Obama victory with Hilary Clinton serving 2 terms as President starting in 2017, and will continue the Obama agenda with vigor. If Romney is elected and reduces the unemployment rate, creates jobs and begins to reduce the deficit, Clinton will not win in 2016. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyridium Posted August 20, 2012 Author #66 Share Posted August 20, 2012 Have you figured me out yet? I can speak from both sides of my mouth, not just from the left, or just from the right...lol. Obama has this one locked up, as the title of this thread implies. I am just very disappointed that Obama brought a Bazooka to a gun fight. This election season is the worst I have seen, and I am 62 years old. I have posed positions from both sides of the fence as we debate this election, but now I am tired, really tired of the hard core left, and the hard core right, and mostly from those who are in the middle. Those people that bash both sides equally and say only major changes will drive both parties to disolve or merge, anything but what we have now...ya, those kind of people. I am proud to have picked Obama way back in June. I will not argue either side now and will just make this election into the joke it has become. I have also come to realize that there are only a handful of people that participate in these political forums, and their overbearing cross accusations are extremely telling how emotional they are in expressing their anger, hate and outright rage of other people directly. Take a deep breath, enjoy nature a little more and be sure to vote on Nov. 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sam Posted August 22, 2012 #67 Share Posted August 22, 2012 God forbid that intelligent people capable of researching things should be allowed to take political positions in a politics forum, of all places. Not going to happen. Even if we are a genius, we are not going to become top leaders of this country because we fail to have money to sustain campaigning. Mostly the rich become our leaders and most of them inherit their fortunes. They have no clue how to actually create jobs or fix the economy. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted August 22, 2012 #68 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I expect that people that post in this forum are somewhat knowledgeable on the facts and post heartfelt opinions. I saw the Obama victory the day I posted this thread. My main objective was to show the highlights of each party. It is very true that this election will be a real turning point for our economy and our politics. This election will dictate which direction this country takes to solve the debt and how to manage the safety nets. Dems will vote for Obama, Repubs will vote for Romney...it is all a matter of turnout. I still predict an Obama victory with Hilary Clinton serving 2 terms as President starting in 2017, and will continue the Obama agenda with vigor. If Romney is elected and reduces the unemployment rate, creates jobs and begins to reduce the deficit, Clinton will not win in 2016. Just my opinion. The top political donor for both campaigns is Goldman Sachs. Nothing is going to change no matter who wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bama13 Posted August 22, 2012 #69 Share Posted August 22, 2012 The top political donor for both campaigns is Goldman Sachs. Nothing is going to change no matter who wins. Unless most of us vote for Gary Johnson!! Or write in Ron Paul!! Otherwise we're screwed, again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gummug Posted August 22, 2012 #70 Share Posted August 22, 2012 (edited) The top political donor for both campaigns is Goldman Sachs. Nothing is going to change no matter who wins. I hate to think that is true, but it sort of goes with what George Soros is reputed to have said: that he is happy whoever wins, that it is the same to him whether O or R gets in. Edited August 22, 2012 by Gummug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gummug Posted August 22, 2012 #71 Share Posted August 22, 2012 I agree. It is sad, but I haven't lost all hope yet. Of course I've been called an optimist many times. I hope we, the people, wake up before it gets so bad that the Second Amendment is our only option. I too, and that is why it kinda scares me that they are pushing so hard (some of them anyway) for gun control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyridium Posted September 6, 2012 Author #72 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Congrats, President Obama! I am watching Bill Clinton as I write this post. He just locked up the vote for Obama. I really wish the Repubs win, but it is obvious that we are willing to let him have 4 more years to complete his social agenda. I am retired and this will not affect me...I am just a spectator, so good luck Obama on your second term, hello Hillary! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted September 6, 2012 #73 Share Posted September 6, 2012 Congrats, President Obama! I am watching Bill Clinton as I write this post. He just locked up the vote for Obama. I really wish the Repubs win, but it is obvious that we are willing to let him have 4 more years to complete his social agenda. I am retired and this will not affect me...I am just a spectator, so good luck Obama on your second term, hello Hillary! Recession always hits the Retired hard.... http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/08/cbo-us-is-on-track-for-a-terrible-2013-recession-unless-congress-acts/261461/ Better wish harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Order66 Posted September 6, 2012 #74 Share Posted September 6, 2012 (edited) I think we need to end all this partisan bickering, all this divisiveness. We all need to come together ... as Americans ... and vote Democrat. Edited September 6, 2012 by Vein Capital Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyridium Posted September 24, 2012 Author #75 Share Posted September 24, 2012 8% lead for Obama with 43 days until the election. If Obama loses, it will be blamed on the pollsters. http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/zogby-obama-leads-likely/2012/09/23/id/457291 Congrats again on your reelection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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