Imaginarynumber1 Posted August 31, 2012 #26 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) I just love the way people blow HAARP off like it's silly. Just ask yourself this question. Imagine your a big general with a massive black budget that never had to be accounted for in any detail. It's well known fact that the US military has a black budget large enough to boggle the mind. Now pretend a science guy told you he thought up a method wind patterns could be influenced (and thus the weather) by superheating the upper atmosphere with powerful radio waves, making it possible for you to hamper enemy troop movements or making it difficult for your enemy to grow enough food to feed himself. Would you then try to build this weapon? I believe the answer is pretty obvious. Of course you would. Anyone who doesn't believe the military has built this are foolish sheep. I'm not saying that it can do all of the things attributed to it, but to think for even one second that this sounds like something they would not at least attempt is plain silly. If you think this is stupid you probably wouldn't have believed they were trying to build radar proof planes in the 70's either. Or, you know, you could talk to an actual science guy and see how ridiculous the idea is. As for "anyone who doesn't believe the military has built this", are you referring to HAARP itself? Of course it's real, but there's nothing nefarious about it. In fact, there aren't even any classified documents about it. http://www.haarp.ala.../haarp/faq.html They even have OPEN HOUSES for people to visit and community outreach programs with local colleges. Seems reeeeal sneaky to me....... Edited August 31, 2012 by Imaginarynumber1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted August 31, 2012 #27 Share Posted August 31, 2012 What mind boggles me is ..... people can't or don't trust their neighbors or even family...but they want to trust and believe the gover"elite"ment < ..( just my word for "who's all in control ). Really? That boggles your mind. You know what boggles my mind? People who trust and believe any idiot who makes a video and posts it on YouTube. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafterman Posted August 31, 2012 #28 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Or, you know, you could talk to an actual science guy and see how ridiculous the idea is. As for "anyone who doesn't believe the military has built this", are you referring to HAARP itself? Of course it's real, but there's nothing nefarious about it. In fact, there aren't even any classified documents about it. http://www.haarp.ala.../haarp/faq.html They even have OPEN HOUSES for people to visit and community outreach programs with local colleges. Seems reeeeal sneaky to me....... Not only that, but if you're really interested in what's going on there, start working on a degree in a field related to their research and apply to go there and do work. You can then see what's REALLY going on and let Julian Assange know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corp Posted August 31, 2012 #29 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Maybe when using HAARP it has a negative aspect to it, that they could not or did not foresee, similiar to either the domino effect or the butterfly effect Not saying it is or is not but just a possibility If that were they case they would have shut it down until they could figue out what went wrong. I believe HAARP is still operational. Did you know Zartan is currently masquerading as the president? No? then you really are a fool... You know I saw something about that...then they said Zartan wouldn't be running things until next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2012 #30 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Guess that makes me a foolish sheep then because the only person I know with a weather dominator is Cobra Commander. And if the US military has complete control over the weather how come there was that big drought this summer? Why do they still get hurricanes? Why hasn't Iran been wiped off the map? Did I say HAARP gave them complete control over the weather? Did you even read my post before quoting and commenting on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2012 #31 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Or, you know, you could talk to an actual science guy and see how ridiculous the idea is. As for "anyone who doesn't believe the military has built this", are you referring to HAARP itself? Of course it's real, but there's nothing nefarious about it. In fact, there aren't even any classified documents about it. http://www.haarp.ala.../haarp/faq.html They even have OPEN HOUSES for people to visit and community outreach programs with local colleges. Seems reeeeal sneaky to me....... Really? So in your expert scientific investigations you have found that superheating the upper atmosphere would not have any effect on the wind. If you don't believe it would then are you also one of those that believe that man has no effect on global temperatures or weather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2012 #32 Share Posted August 31, 2012 (edited) Possibly related? http://science.nasa....l_thermosphere/ Remember this collapse of the upper atmoshere in 2009? Quote from the article: The collapse happened during the deep solar minimum of 2008-2009—a fact which comes as little surprise to researchers. The thermosphere always cools and contracts when solar activity is low. In this case, however, the magnitude of the collapse was two to three times greater than low solar activity could explain. "Something is going on that we do not understand," says Emmert. I'm thinking that possibly if the did heat the upper atmosphere to unatural temperatures then that would cause a local expansion, if it suddenly cooled after that you could expect a collapse. Before you write that off as completely ridiculous please note that even the experts could not explain it so don't pretend you can. Edited August 31, 2012 by OverSword Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted August 31, 2012 #33 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Really? So in your expert scientific investigations you have found that superheating the upper atmosphere would not have any effect on the wind. If you don't believe it would then are you also one of those that believe that man has no effect on global temperatures or weather? Man has a clear effect on global temperatures. That has nothing to do with HAARP. Using radio waves to heat the upper atmosphere to create weather? No. That is dumb. . All weather is confined to the troposphere wich is only about 6 km n height. The ionosphere doesn't even begin until about 80 km. No CT about HAARP makes any sense. They are stupid and not grounded in any science. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2012 #34 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Man has a clear effect on global temperatures. That has nothing to do with HAARP. Using radio waves to heat the upper atmosphere to create weather? No. That is dumb. . All weather is confined to the troposphere wich is only about 6 km n height. The ionosphere doesn't even begin until about 80 km. No CT about HAARP makes any sense. They are stupid and not grounded in any science. Glad to know that you know everything. Why don't you make a more accurate statement? No technology you are aware of could do this. Did you know that there was real concern, backed by at the time legit scientific theories that anyone on the new super fast trains they were making in the late 1800's would die of suffocation because human lungs were not strong enough to inhale air at that speed? And I'm sure you're aware there was real concern that igniting the first atomic bomb would start a chain reation that would never stop and essentially turn the earth into a new sun? So superheating the atmosphere would be implossible. Glad to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2012 #35 Share Posted August 31, 2012 A quick google search revealed a large amount of HAARP related patents. The very nature of what these patents claim to be for would seem to dispute what many of the nay sayers on this site claim. Here I'm pasting just the top few from a large page: HAARP PATENTS (Assigned to APTI, Inc.) U.S. Patent 4686605: Method And Apparatus For Altering A Region In The Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, And/Or Magnetosphere Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA Issued: Aug. 11, 1987 Filed: Jan. 10, 1985 U.S. Patent 5038664: Method For Producing A Shell Of Relativistic Particles At An Altitude Above The Earth's Surface Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC Issued: Aug. 13, 1991 Filed: Jan. 10, 1985 U.S. Patent 4712155: Method And Apparatus For Creating An Artificial Electron Cyclotron Heating Region Of Plasma Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX Ramo; Simon, Beverly Hills, CA Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA Issued: Dec. 8, 1987 Filed: Jan. 28, 1985 U.S. Patent 5068669: Power Beaming System Inventors: Koert; Peter, Washington, DC Cha; James T., Fairfax, VA Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC Issued: Nov. 26, 1991 Filed: Sep. 1, 1988 U.S. Patent 5218374: Power Beaming System With Printer Circuit Radiating Elements Having Resonating Cavities Inventors: Koert; Peter, Washington, DC Cha; James T., Fairfax, VA Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC Issued: June 8, 1993 Filed: Oct. 10, 1989 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted August 31, 2012 #36 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Glad to know that you know everything. Why don't you make a more accurate statement? No technology you are aware of could do this. Did you know that there was real concern, backed by at the time legit scientific theories that anyone on the new super fast trains they were making in the late 1800's would die of suffocation because human lungs were not strong enough to inhale air at that speed? And I'm sure you're aware there was real concern that igniting the first atomic bomb would start a chain reation that would never stop and essentially turn the earth into a new sun? So superheating the atmosphere would be implossible. Glad to hear it. Did I say that super heating the atmosphere would be impossible? I don't believe that I did. Here is the relevant part of my post again: Using radio waves to heat the upper atmosphere to create weather? No. That is dumb. . All weather is confined to the troposphere wich is only about 6 km n height. The ionosphere doesn't even begin until about 80 km. No CT about HAARP makes any sense. They are stupid and not grounded in any science. I'll even point out a few parts for you. Using radio waves to heat the upper atmosphere to create weather? No. That is dumb Heating the ionosphere does not cause weather, plain and simple. Any areas heated aren't even heated as much as they are by natural solar process. The maximum output of HAARP is 30 milliwatts per square meter at 50 miles altitude decreasing to 1 milliwatt per square meter at 186 miles altitude. . Auruas are 2000 time more powerful that HAARP at 2 watts per square meter in the F region of the ionosphere. In the lower altitude areas daily solar radiation absorption is greater than anything HAARP can do. All weather is confined to the troposphere wich is only about 6 km n height Weather is affected by many factors, of course. The fact remains, however, that the levels of energy created by HAARP aren't even close to the daily amounts that occur naturally. Various scientists have commented that HAARP is an attractive target for conspiracy theorists because according to computer scientist David Naiditch, "its purpose seems deeply mysterious to the scientifically uninformed".[3] Too many people are scientifically uninformed. Stay away from the fringe. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted August 31, 2012 #37 Share Posted August 31, 2012 A quick google search revealed a large amount of HAARP related patents. The very nature of what these patents claim to be for would seem to dispute what many of the nay sayers on this site claim. Here I'm pasting just the top few from a large page: HAARP PATENTS (Assigned to APTI, Inc.) U.S. Patent 4686605: Method And Apparatus For Altering A Region In The Earth's Atmosphere, Ionosphere, And/Or Magnetosphere Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA Issued: Aug. 11, 1987 Filed: Jan. 10, 1985 U.S. Patent 5038664: Method For Producing A Shell Of Relativistic Particles At An Altitude Above The Earth's Surface Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC Issued: Aug. 13, 1991 Filed: Jan. 10, 1985 U.S. Patent 4712155: Method And Apparatus For Creating An Artificial Electron Cyclotron Heating Region Of Plasma Inventors: Eastlund; Bernard J., Spring, TX Ramo; Simon, Beverly Hills, CA Assignees: APTI, Inc., Los Angeles, CA Issued: Dec. 8, 1987 Filed: Jan. 28, 1985 U.S. Patent 5068669: Power Beaming System Inventors: Koert; Peter, Washington, DC Cha; James T., Fairfax, VA Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC Issued: Nov. 26, 1991 Filed: Sep. 1, 1988 U.S. Patent 5218374: Power Beaming System With Printer Circuit Radiating Elements Having Resonating Cavities Inventors: Koert; Peter, Washington, DC Cha; James T., Fairfax, VA Assignees: APTI, Inc., Washington, DC Issued: June 8, 1993 Filed: Oct. 10, 1989 These are all in line with a facility that uses radio waves to heat the ionosphere to study plasma interactions. I don't see the problem here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosehead Posted August 31, 2012 Author #38 Share Posted August 31, 2012 If it is a weather controlling thing do you think we are going to know about it? I'm sure the government has a lot of secrets we are not aware of.. even still they deny Area 51. How long has that been going on>? I just think it is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2012 #39 Share Posted August 31, 2012 If it is a weather controlling thing do you think we are going to know about it? I'm sure the government has a lot of secrets we are not aware of.. even still they deny Area 51. How long has that been going on>? I just think it is possible. Absolutely we would not be informed of this. Can you imagine the reaction? People are already pretty concerned about the fragility of the planet, just think of what an international reaction would be to a public admission that efforts had been made to use the atmosphere that we depend on fro everything from fresh water to breathing as a weapon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted August 31, 2012 #40 Share Posted August 31, 2012 Clearly they're also breeding unicorns with laser horns because they haven't told us about it. Can you image the reaction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2012 #41 Share Posted August 31, 2012 That would totaly p*** me off. Why would you waste that kind of money on unicorn laser horns when it's a scientifically proven fact that the magic in the horns are easily 2.5 times more powerful than any laser you could fit in the horn. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted August 31, 2012 #42 Share Posted August 31, 2012 That would totaly p*** me off. Why would you waste that kind of money on unicorn laser horns when it's a scientifically proven fact that the magic in the horns are easily 2.5 times more powerful than any laser you could fit in the horn. I know, right? I think the Illuminati have been using the horns as a natural Viagra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.United_Nations Posted August 31, 2012 #43 Share Posted August 31, 2012 If it is a weather controlling thing do you think we are going to know about it? I'm sure the government has a lot of secrets we are not aware of.. even still they deny Area 51. How long has that been going on>? I just think it is possible. proof please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2012 #44 Share Posted August 31, 2012 proof please Of what, area 51 or HAARP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czero 101 Posted August 31, 2012 #45 Share Posted August 31, 2012 even still they deny Area 51. How long has that been going on>? Actually, the US Gov't officially acknowledged Area 51's existence about 17 years ago on Sept. 29, 1995. That they refuse to discuss what happens there is something completely different, and an understandable security precaution. Cz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackofalltrades Posted September 1, 2012 #46 Share Posted September 1, 2012 Actually, the US Gov't officially acknowledged Area 51's existence about 17 years ago on Sept. 29, 1995. That they refuse to discuss what happens there is something completely different, and an understandable security precaution. Cz That maybe because they have technology that they do not want other people to know about Like advanced aircraft for one, I reckon a majority (not all) of UFO sighting's are something to do with the government, maybe test flight's or intelligence gathering While a majority/some of the people think's they are extra terrestrial, it work's in the government's favor, less for them to deny/cover up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s33ker Posted September 4, 2012 #47 Share Posted September 4, 2012 The Government doesn't lie and its only objective is to make a population THRIVE. Health ,wealth, happiness for all, right? I do NOT believe anything the Government says , if fact I would believe any crackpot before I'd believe in the War mongering motherfxxxxxx who run us. Watch the doco "Angels don't play this Harrp" and see if you still believe its a weather tracking device only, when its capabilities are unknown even to the scientists who run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambaldi Posted September 5, 2012 #48 Share Posted September 5, 2012 I do NOT believe anything the Government says We await the news about your suicide, after all the Government seems to think suicide is bad, therefor it must be a good thing http://www.nimh.nih.gov/science-news/2011/white-house-names-nimh-a-champion-of-change-for-its-suicide-prevention-efforts.shtml 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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