JimOberg Posted November 18, 2012 #1101 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Say, what about that comment Jim Schuessler made about you and how you were putting words in Jim McDivitt's mouth, basically trying to make him look like a liar or a clown? I notice you are VERY selective in your responses. I don't view every 40-minute video you throw up in your dodgery snowstorm. My articles on the McDivitt case are on my home page, which you have boasted you will never visit. We're at an impasse. You insist on believing hearsay, while deliberately avoiding first-person sources. Problem's at your end of the table, I suggest. If McDivitt thought what he saw was a real UFO, why didn't he file a Blue Book report? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 18, 2012 #1102 Share Posted November 18, 2012 You are lying. Mitchell, to the best of my knowledge, has NEVER said there's a cover-up at NASA about UFO information they secretly possess. And what did Mitchell say right here, on that UFO Hunters episode you dislike so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted November 18, 2012 #1103 Share Posted November 18, 2012 I haven't accused any of those named people of being dishonest or incompetent..... And regarding your 'men and women' in the Space Programme. It's obvious that they would be bound by National Security Oaths / Laws... And it's a grey area whether someone abiding by National Security secrecy laws....could be accused of lying in the usual sense. What oaths? Everybody involved -- including Mitchell and Cooper -- made it clear they were not restricted in any way from discussing UFO subjects. And security oaths regarding specific material forbids it being released, but does not require the custodian to lie about it. In your mind, you have created a perfect 'get-out-of-reality-free' card to avoid ANY testimony inconvenient to your views. Perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 18, 2012 #1104 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) I don't view every 40-minute video you throw up in your dodgery snowstorm. My articles on the McDivitt case are on my home page, which you have boasted you will never visit. If McDivitt thought what he saw was a real UFO, why didn't he file a Blue Book report? Well, I could make a good guess as to why NASA didn't want its astronauts filing UFO reports. That's an easy one. That still doesn't change John Schuessler's point that you were basically trying to put words in McDivitt's mouth and distort what he really said about his UFO sighting. Edited November 18, 2012 by TheMacGuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 18, 2012 #1105 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) I don't view every 40-minute video you throw up in your dodgery snowstorm. I don't think you view ANY of them, but that doesn't matter since others who might be interested are free to do so. Edited November 18, 2012 by TheMacGuffin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted November 18, 2012 #1106 Share Posted November 18, 2012 And what did Mitchell say right here, on that UFO Hunters episode you dislike so much? Nothing. It's your misrepresentation of the general discussion to say HE explicitly claimed that NASA was withholding 'UFO secrets', that I find noteworthy. You seem to have a basic problem with comprehension, and are too easy to be manipulated by narration and creative editing. And by refusing to see this problem, you set yourself up for future misinformation and self-delusion as well. Thanks for making an issue of this and making your inadequate mental rigor so crystal clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 18, 2012 #1107 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Here were have Mitchell again, talking about the UFO cover up at NASA. Naturally they didn't like that, and I think they even went after him to give back that camera he was using on the moon. Talk about petty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 18, 2012 #1108 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Nothing. It's your misrepresentation of the general discussion to say HE explicitly claimed that NASA was withholding 'UFO secrets', that I find noteworthy. You seem to have a basic problem with comprehension, and are too easy to be manipulated by narration and creative editing. And by refusing to see this problem, you set yourself up for future misinformation and self-delusion as well. Thanks for making an issue of this and making your inadequate mental rigor so crystal clear. I have a basic problem with comprehension, huh? How many times does Mitchell have to say there has been a UFO cover up by NASA and other government agencies? Don't try to turn this back on me or put words in my mouth like you always do. I know exactly what Mitchell has been saying on many occasions, and how you always go after EVERYONE at NASA who talks about this subject, as if you're some kind of watchdog or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 18, 2012 #1109 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) Mitchell has said many times that there is a UFO cover up, and he's telling the truth. When Mitchell talks about a deliberate program of denial, deceit and disinformation, for some reason I think of Oberg. [media=] [/media] Edited November 18, 2012 by TheMacGuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 18, 2012 #1110 Share Posted November 18, 2012 (edited) And I like Edgar Mitchell telling off this guy who said that he really didn't go to the moon. He claimed that he was coming there to ask about ETs and UFOs and then started questioning whether he went to the moon. He even made him swear on the Bible that he really walked on the moon, and finally Mitchell told him to get the hell out of his house. Mitchell doesn't mind talking about aliens and UFOs, of course, but he was about to lay this guy out on the deck for questioning the moon landings, and rightfully so. Then there are some other interviews and statements where Mitchell talks about the UFO cover up. [media=] [/media] Edited November 18, 2012 by TheMacGuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted November 18, 2012 #1111 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Here were have Mitchell again, talking about the UFO cover up at NASA. Naturally they didn't like that, and I think they even went after him to give back that camera he was using on the moon. Talk about petty. Dang, you suckered me in again. I listened to both pieces, and by golly, you're still reality-challenged. Mitchell does not talk about "the UFO cover up at NASA". Does anybody ELSE listen to these tapes and hear what McG insists HE heard Mitchell say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimOberg Posted November 18, 2012 #1112 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Mitchell has said many times that there is a UFO cover up, and he's telling the truth. When Mitchell talks about a deliberate program of denial, deceit and disinformation, for some reason I think of Oberg. I do hear him making that general allegation, just not specifically about NASA being involved in it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 18, 2012 #1113 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Dang, you suckered me in again. I listened to both pieces, and by golly, you're still reality-challenged. I don't expect you to keep quiet for 30 days, and doubt that it's even possible, but the fact remains that Mitchell has made many statements about this NASA cover up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 19, 2012 #1114 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Mitchell says yet again in a 2012 interview that aliens have been here for a long time and it has been covered up. He's telling the truth, no matter whether people choose to believe him or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 19, 2012 #1115 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I do hear him making that general allegation, just not specifically about NASA being involved in it at all. He said the cover up began even before NASA existed and that is also true, but NASA is just one part of the bigger picture--the overall cover up that has been going on for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 19, 2012 #1116 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I do recommend this UFO Hunters episode, not least because Oberg seems to dislike it so much. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=smbxC5-9afM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1963 Posted November 19, 2012 #1117 Share Posted November 19, 2012 What oaths? Everybody involved -- including Mitchell and Cooper -- made it clear they were not restricted in any way from discussing UFO subjects. And security oaths regarding specific material forbids it being released, but does not require the custodian to lie about it. In your mind, you have created a perfect 'get-out-of-reality-free' card to avoid ANY testimony inconvenient to your views. Perfect! Well...your old friend Gordon Cooper clearly states that there was an official policy of secrecy imposed on astronauts Jim! For many years I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists and astronauts. Colonel L. Gordon Cooper. http://www.squidoo.com/ufo-coverups And also , as for NASA being totally upfront and honest about everything that it knows ....this Federal Register Notice seems to be telling me that NASA is exempt from abiding by our usual understanding of the meaning of 'Telling The Truth'! http://www.hq.nasa.gov/pao/FOIA/exempt.html Cheers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrom901 Posted November 19, 2012 #1118 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I'm not sure. It could be a reflection but then it could be something else. It's hard to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 19, 2012 #1119 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Incidentally, many people have wondered over the years just who or what Apollo 14's "visitors" were. Just sayin'. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iYSqrq7jcL4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 19, 2012 #1120 Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) Apollo 14 did get some strange pictures of various "lights" and "reflections", too, but I cannot say for certain what they really were. I am not aware that these have been explained. Sure is a lot of bluish lens flare, if indeed that's what it really is. [media=] [/media] Edited November 19, 2012 by TheMacGuffin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrom901 Posted November 19, 2012 #1121 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I do recommend this UFO Hunters episode, i noticed somebody sitting there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 19, 2012 #1122 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Did someone airbrush the UFOs from an Apollo 16 picture? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jF57j0EFNxg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 19, 2012 #1123 Share Posted November 19, 2012 i noticed somebody sitting there... I've seen stranger things than that in my time, much stranger. In any case, you can never be sure just what might turn up in some of the old pictures. You'd be surprised.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMacGuffin Posted November 19, 2012 #1124 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Other people call it "the view from Station 13". http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6mnKP4uFokw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcrom901 Posted November 19, 2012 #1125 Share Posted November 19, 2012 In any case, you can never be sure just what might turn up in some of the old pictures. You'd be surprised.... i was talking about the nonsense which kasher was promoting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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