Obama signs 23 Executive Orders on GunControl

[ChewiesArmy]

All civilians joined the SS or were overly supportive of Hitler. They didn't try to stop their government.

The biggest argument against gun control is that assault weapons are needed incase the government decides to take over. This is such a tired and poor excuse for average citizens to have that kind of weapon. Is an assault weapon really going to stop the government?

The only citizens using assault weapons are gang bangers and mass murderers. I know most of the legal gun owners out there are respectful, law abiding citizens and should be able to own a gun if they are able, but there is no reason for any civilian to own an assault weapon, so then why not try to get rid of all of these weapons from the streets?

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

All civilians joined the SS or were overly supportive of Hitler. They didn't try to stop their government.

or you know, only a third of the population actually voted for him.

and it's a bit disengunuous to say they all supported Hitler, more like they saw what was coming and shutup for safety's sake or had the crap kicked out of them by the SA and later the SS and Gestapo.

[Drayno]

The biggest argument against gun control is that assault weapons are needed incase the government decides to take over. This is such a tired and poor excuse for average citizens to have that kind of weapon. Is an assault weapon really going to stop the government?

The only citizens using assault weapons are gang bangers and mass murderers. I know most of the legal gun owners out there are respectful, law abiding citizens and should be able to own a gun if they are able, but there is no reason for any civilian to own an assault weapon, so then why not try to get rid of all of these weapons from the streets?

The thing you call a poor and tired excuse is something many Americans have died for so that you have a choice not to exercise said right.

Justified revolution is only justified when all other available options are exhausted and the government continues to take ground unconstitutionally.

So, no, owning an "assault weapon" is constitutional. There are over 2,000 gun control laws and a ban on fully automatic guns. Unfortunately, semi-automatic guns are being targeted unfairly, even though there is verified police footage of the police finding the Sandy Hook shooter's gun in the trunk of the car; he never left the school once he went inside - so his weapons were four pistols. This demonstrates the length the government is willing to go - and shows that it has been waiting to implement this political strategy: construe the sane as mentally ill, propagandize and "educate" people about guns, keep a national database on all of us, and potentially return the formerly legal guns they plan to unconstitutionally seize.

If you try to get rid of all the guns only the government, police, and criminals will have guns.

Plus people would violently revolt in response to guns being seized.

Since our government, as proven by Operation Fast & Furious, supply the guns to the criminals, I'd say that leaves us in a pickle.

Edited January 17, 2013 by Eonwe

[Drayno]

or you know, only a third of the population actually voted for him.

and it's a bit disengunuous to say they all supported Hitler, more like they saw what was coming and shutup for safety's sake or had the crap kicked out of them by the SA and later the SS and Gestapo.

Fair enough.

[ChewiesArmy]

GOV gun grabbers historically knew the importance of using children as props:

Good lord...

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2007/09/images/20070926-1_d-0398-1-678v.html

http://dignitas.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341f704253ef017d3df67962970c-pi

[Silver Surfer]

Obama signs 23 Executive Orders on Gun Control

Jan. 16, 2013 http://us.cnn.com/20....html?hpt=hp_c1

Washington (CNN) -- President Barack Obama on Wednesday proposed background checks on all gun sales and bans on military style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines as part of a package of steps to reduce gun violence in the wake of the Newtown school massacre last month.

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• The president signs 23 executive actions that don't need congressional approval http://edition.cnn.c...plan/index.html
  
• President Obama calls for background checks on all gun sales
  

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Just curious...

Weren't the 'birthers' roundly criticized for wanting to do 'background checks' on Barack Obama?

Seems hypocritical of him to want back ground info on YOU but for him to become POTUS he didn't have to provide you with his own information(except an autobiography novel, of course) And now he just sign an executive order with the use of force to provide back ground checks on YOU!

I know, I know... the same ole people will say, "If you have nothing to hide or fear you'll pass the tests... er, I mean back ground checks......

Weird how this President continues to get a free pass at every turn.

Good job Barry.

oi REDNECK, you don't need a gun. Wake up and handle life without one or watch these tragedies happen again and again. Americas Gun laws are the most pathetic little i am scared of the world sh*& i have ever seen.... grow the Fu%* up... go chat with your neighbor rather then keep him at bay. Your own paranoia, created by fear of your neighbors and loss of your pathetic material possessions, is your own self destruction.

[Stellar]

So anti-gun propaganda? Great.

And this is why you can't have any progress. When something reasonable gets proposed such as a campaign to encourage safe and responsible ownership, it's immediately vilified as propaganda.

[Drayno]

oi REDNECK, you don't need a gun. Wake up and handle life without one or watch these tragedies happen again and again. Americas Gun laws are the most pathetic little i am scared of the world sh*& i have ever seen.... grow the Fu%* up... go chat with your neighbor rather then keep him at bay. Your own paranoia, created by fear of your neighbors and loss of your pathetic material possessions, is your own self destruction.

You don't have to own a gun, but you most certainly would be able to save your life one day if you own one.

American gun laws exist, but aren't really enforced; similar to our immigration laws. Again, there are over 2,000 gun laws.

260,000,000 people were killed by government from 1900-1999. Their dead bodies would circle the Earth more times than I'd care to mention.

Make up your own mind.

[Drayno]

And this is why you can't have any progress. When something reasonable gets proposed such as a campaign to encourage safe and responsible ownership, it's immediately vilified as propaganda.

Considering the man who said he'd like to brainwash Americans about guns is involved in this effort, it's hard not to be skeptical.

[acidhead]

The biggest argument against gun control is that assault weapons are needed incase the government decides to take over. This is such a tired and poor excuse for average citizens to have that kind of weapon. Is an assault weapon really going to stop the government?

The only citizens using assault weapons are gang bangers and mass murderers. I know most of the legal gun owners out there are respectful, law abiding citizens and should be able to own a gun if they are able, but there is no reason for any civilian to own an assault weapon, so then why not try to get rid of all of these weapons from the streets?

Okay Piers.

Should, as history has proven, the GOV becomes tyrannical and the citizens decide to take up arms over the GOV the fight will become a guerilla style warfare.... urban warfare. Those who do not have a military assault style weapon will wish they had because the GOV will be using them.

Maybe you don't see the need for them right now. But when it does matter you'll wish they had. Use recent history of Libya or Syria for example.... The so-called rebels have been given assault style weapons to fight their GOVs... And who sent them there? Our own western GOV's.

Only an ignorant individual brings a knife to a sword fight.............DUH

[Stellar]

Considering the man who said he'd like to brainwash Americans about guns is involved in this effort, it's hard not to be skeptical.

Can you provide me with a quote of him saying that, because youve lost all credibility with your other post.

[ChewiesArmy]

The thing you call a poor and tired excuse is something many Americans have died for so that you have a choice not to exercise said right.

Justified revolution is only justified when all other available options are exhausted and the government continues to take ground unconstitutionally.

So, no, owning an "assault weapon" is constitutional. There are over 2,000 gun control laws and a ban on fully automatic guns. Unfortunately, semi-automatic guns are being targeted unfairly, even though there is verified police footage of the police finding the Sandy Hook shooter's gun in the trunk of the car; he never left the school once he went inside - so his weapons were four pistols. This demonstrates the length the government is willing to go - and shows that it has been waiting to implement this political strategy: construe the sane as mentally ill, propagandize and "educate" people about guns, keep a national database on all of us, and potentially return the formerly legal guns they plan to unconstitutionally seize.

If you try to get rid of all the guns only the government, police, and criminals will have guns.

Plus people would violently revolt in response to guns being seized.

Since our government, as proven by Operation Fast & Furious, supply the guns to the criminals, I'd say that leaves us in a pickle.

I appreciate those people that had to die for us. I also understand that we have the right under the constitution, but, do you honestly believe that Jefferson and Co would have written the 2nd amendment exactly the same today? You can't deny that time changes things, makes them outdated, even obsolete. Muskets aren't even in the same realm as a semi-auto, or even a colt .45.

Just because it is in the constitution doesn't make it right as is. Remember, these are the same men who didn't have the foresight to give women voting rights, or abolish slavery and they, and their constitution, were not perfect and they knew this.

I'm not disputing the right to own a gun, I am questioning what you should be able to own.

As far as the AR-15, I'm not into conspiracy theories. Where is this footage? And do you think the gov't needs to exploit the children to get a ban on assault weapons?

[Drayno]

Can you provide me with a quote of him saying that, because youve lost all credibility with your other post.

Of course. I can provide you several quotes.

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[Drayno]

I appreciate those people that had to die for us. I also understand that we have the right under the constitution, but, do you honestly believe that Jefferson and Co would have written the 2nd amendment exactly the same today? You can't deny that time changes things, makes them outdated, even obsolete. Muskets aren't even in the same realm as a semi-auto, or even a colt .45.

Just because it is in the constitution doesn't make it right as is. Remember, these are the same men who didn't have the foresight to give women voting rights, or abolish slavery and they, and their constitution, were not perfect and they knew this.

I'm not disputing the right to own a gun, I am questioning what you should be able to own.

As far as the AR-15, I'm not into conspiracy theories. Where is this footage? And do you think the gov't needs to exploit the children to get a ban on assault weapons?

I believe Jefferson, if he were here today, would heavily criticize our government, and then criticize the people for not being vigilant.

Yes, the Constitution can be amended - but it is no easy process.

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Simply answered? Yes. They exploited 9/11 to get universal approval to invade Iraq; an exploitation based on a lie about weapons of mass destruction. Germany exploited the burning of the Reichstag to take away civil liberties and wage a war against "communists"; people who were not National Socialists, or who did not align with the ideology of the state.

Edited January 17, 2013 by Eonwe

[Stellar]

Of course. I can provide you several quotes.

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If you're going to call that brainwashing, then you may as well call everything brainwashing. Infact, all those "mothers against drunk driving" commercials are then just anti-drink and drive brainwashing and should be removed, right?

Why is portraying violence and guns as cool, exciting and necessary considered ok, not propaganda, but portraying them as uncool is considered anti-gun propaganda worthy of fighting against?

[acidhead]

I appreciate those people that had to die for us. I also understand that we have the right under the constitution, but, do you honestly believe that Jefferson and Co would have written the 2nd amendment exactly the same today? You can't deny that time changes things, makes them outdated, even obsolete. Muskets aren't even in the same realm as a semi-auto, or even a colt .45.

That's a poorly thought out argument because the weapons you just described were the same type of weapons the GOV was using at the time the 2nd Amendment was written..

Had Jefferson and Co. written the 2nd amendment today they would acknowledge that the weapons of today should be included in the 2nd Amendment for all citizens.

How many times must it be said that the 2nd amendment wasn't written so people could go hunting? Everybody hunted back then.

The 2nd amendment was written so the citizen had a military style weapon at home and could join a militia to stop an invading force from taking over America... And yes that includes a tyrannical GOV from within America.... A GOV infiltrated by foreigners. There is zero difference.

Edited January 17, 2013 by acidhead

[Tiggs]

Unfortunately, semi-automatic guns are being targeted unfairly, even though there is verified police footage of the police finding the Sandy Hook shooter's gun in the trunk of the car; he never left the school once he went inside - so his weapons were four pistols.

The police confirmed fairly early on that a shotgun had been retrieved from the car.

Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance, speaking at an afternoon news conference, said "the weapon that was utilized most of the time during the crime was a [.223 caliber] Bushmaster rifle."

Lanza also carried a 9mm Sig Sauer and a 10mm Glock, both handguns, he said, adding that one of the handguns had been used by the assailant to take his own life.

Vance said the death of the shooter's mother, Nancy Lanza, had officially been ruled a homicide. She was shot and killed by her son at her suburban home before his rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. Earlier Sunday, Connecticut Medical Examiner Wayne Carver said that Ms. Lanza had been shot multiple times in the head.

Vance said "all weapons had multiple magazines and ammunition," adding that each of the magazines had a capacity of approximately 30 rounds. Asked by reporters how many rounds there were in total, he replied: "hundreds."

Vance said a fourth weapon, a shotgun, had been recovered in the vehicle Lanza drove to the school on the day of the attack. Earlier, officials had suggested that weapon was recovered from the home the assailant shared with his mother.

Source: NPR

[acidhead]

If you're going to call that brainwashing, then you may as well call everything brainwashing. Infact, all those "mothers against drunk driving" commercials are then just anti-drink and drive brainwashing and should be removed, right?

Why is portraying violence and guns as cool, exciting and necessary considered ok, not propaganda, but portraying them as uncool is considered anti-gun propaganda worthy of fighting against?

Eonwe just proved Holder said brainwashing when you accused him of making it up and now you change your argument to justify using the word?

[acidhead]

The police confirmed fairly early on that a shotgun had been retrieved from the car.

Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance, speaking at an afternoon news conference, said "the weapon that was utilized most of the time during the crime was a [.223 caliber] Bushmaster rifle."

Lanza also carried a 9mm Sig Sauer and a 10mm Glock, both handguns, he said, adding that one of the handguns had been used by the assailant to take his own life.

Vance said the death of the shooter's mother, Nancy Lanza, had officially been ruled a homicide. She was shot and killed by her son at her suburban home before his rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. Earlier Sunday, Connecticut Medical Examiner Wayne Carver said that Ms. Lanza had been shot multiple times in the head.

Vance said "all weapons had multiple magazines and ammunition," adding that each of the magazines had a capacity of approximately 30 rounds. Asked by reporters how many rounds there were in total, he replied: "hundreds."

Vance said a fourth weapon, a shotgun, had been recovered in the vehicle Lanza drove to the school on the day of the attack. Earlier, officials had suggested that weapon was recovered from the home the assailant shared with his mother.

Source: NPR

So where is the Ar-15 Piers Morgan and others have said was used in Connecticut?

Was Piers lying?

[Drayno]

If you're going to call that brainwashing, then you may as well call everything brainwashing. Infact, all those "mothers against drunk driving" commercials are then just anti-drink and drive brainwashing and should be removed, right?

Why is portraying violence and guns as cool, exciting and necessary considered ok, not propaganda, but portraying them as uncool is considered anti-gun propaganda worthy of fighting against?

"And what we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people. And make it something that's not cool, that it's not acceptable, that it's not hip to carry a gun anymore." - Eric Holder

"One thing that I think is clear with young people, and with adults as well, is that we just have to be repetitive about this. It's not enough to have a catchy ad on a Monday and then do it every Monday. We need to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way." - Eric Holder

So, when he says the word brainwashing, and says the definition of brainwashing, "thinking about guns in a vastly different away", after he says brainwashing, that's not enough evidence to prove to you that he intends on brainwashing people about guns. And now that there is a national campaign federally mandated about guns, you don't think they might try to "make it into something that's not acceptable"?

Edited January 17, 2013 by Eonwe

[Stellar]

Eonwe just proved Holder said brainwashing when you accused him of making it up and now you change your argument to justify using the word?

What he's proposing isn't considered brainwashing any more than MADD is brainwashing. That's exactly why I asked him for proof of his claim, because as I thought, it was a vast exaggeration of what he actually said.

[acidhead]

What he's proposing isn't considered brainwashing any more than MADD is brainwashing. That's exactly why I asked him for proof of his claim, because as I thought, it was a vast exaggeration of what he actually said.

Read Holders quote s-l-o-w-l-y to yourself.

[Drayno]

The police confirmed fairly early on that a shotgun had been retrieved from the car.

Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance, speaking at an afternoon news conference, said "the weapon that was utilized most of the time during the crime was a [.223 caliber] Bushmaster rifle."

Lanza also carried a 9mm Sig Sauer and a 10mm Glock, both handguns, he said, adding that one of the handguns had been used by the assailant to take his own life.

Vance said the death of the shooter's mother, Nancy Lanza, had officially been ruled a homicide. She was shot and killed by her son at her suburban home before his rampage at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. Earlier Sunday, Connecticut Medical Examiner Wayne Carver said that Ms. Lanza had been shot multiple times in the head.

Vance said "all weapons had multiple magazines and ammunition," adding that each of the magazines had a capacity of approximately 30 rounds. Asked by reporters how many rounds there were in total, he replied: "hundreds."

Vance said a fourth weapon, a shotgun, had been recovered in the vehicle Lanza drove to the school on the day of the attack. Earlier, officials had suggested that weapon was recovered from the home the assailant shared with his mother.

Source: NPR

I can see clearly now that it's a shotgun in the video; I can vaguely see the shells being unloaded.

Thanks.

[Tiggs]

So where is the Ar-15 Piers Morgan and others have said was used in Connecticut?

The Bushmaster AR-15 firing .223 ammo? Seems to be pretty much covered in the NPR report.

[Stellar]

"And what we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people. And make it something that's not cool, that it's not acceptable, that it's not hip to carry a gun anymore." - Eric Holder

"One thing that I think is clear with young people, and with adults as well, is that we just have to be repetitive about this. It's not enough to have a catchy ad on a Monday and then do it every Monday. We need to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way." - Eric Holder

So, when he says the word brainwashing, and says the definition of brainwashing, "thinking about guns in a vastly different away", after he says brainwashing, that's not enough evidence to prove to you that he intends on brainwashing people about guns. And now that there is a national campaign federally mandated about guns, you don't think they might try to "make it into something that's not acceptable"?

I apologize, it took me a third listen to catch those words. What I'd like to ask you is what's the difference between what he is proposing, and what the film industry is doing?