questionmark Posted February 3, 2013 #151 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Frank the lunatic will cause trouble no matter what they will find away,car accidents kill more every year than guns do and not just drunk drivers pure accidents.Should we ban cars and make the gov drive us all around because lots are not responsible enough to drive?Someone could take a whole bottle of aspirin to commit suicide,should we ban aspirin? The lunatic that uses a car can be traced, in fact the lunatic that uses a pound of beef can be traced... in most states the lunatic that uses a gun not because there is no comprehensive registration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Merton Posted February 3, 2013 #152 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Frank the lunatic will cause trouble no matter what they will find away,car accidents kill more every year than guns do and not just drunk drivers pure accidents.Should we ban cars and make the gov drive us all around because lots are not responsible enough to drive?Someone could take a whole bottle of aspirin to commit suicide,should we ban aspirin? Keep in mind I don't advocate banning anything. I just as a moral position take the view that one should not have them around.Yes anything can be harmful, but there is time to pump the aspirin out of the guy's stomach; you can do nothing about the bullet in his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted February 3, 2013 #153 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Keep in mind I don't advocate banning anything. I just as a moral position take the view that one should not have them around. Yes anything can be harmful, but there is time to pump the aspirin out of the guy's stomach; you can do nothing about the bullet in his head. Dont always agree with you at least you are rational though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted February 3, 2013 #154 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The lunatic that uses a car can be traced, in fact the lunatic that uses a pound of beef can be traced... in most states the lunatic that uses a gun not because there is no comprehensive registration. We trace them in other ways. Forensics. Witnesses. But the bigger question is...so, we catch The Lunatic...(i.e. The Aurora shooter) What then? Everyone knows he's guilty. But the justice department has made a mockery of justice. True justice would be...convene a jury the following day, if warranted, and again, the innocence of the Aurora shooter is not even in question, then, hang the accused by the neck in front of the court house in which he was convicted and sentenced to death. Swift...lethal...sends a message to all. Ah, but no, keep him out of sight for a year or two, then make a public spectacle out of a trial that the Media can glom onto and make millions. Then, set him up in prison with 3 squares a day, plenty of sex, TV, gym, whatever he wants, needs, or desires...and best of all...make the public pay for it all. Is that justice? No. American justice is a joke. Hmmmm...maybe that is the reason the rest of the world is laughing at us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted February 3, 2013 #155 Share Posted February 3, 2013 We trace them in other ways. Forensics. Witnesses. But the bigger question is...so, we catch The Lunatic...(i.e. The Aurora shooter) What then? Everyone knows he's guilty. But the justice department has made a mockery of justice. True justice would be...convene a jury the following day, if warranted, and again, the innocence of the Aurora shooter is not even in question, then, hang the accused by the neck in front of the court house in which he was convicted and sentenced to death. Swift...lethal...sends a message to all. Ah, but no, keep him out of sight for a year or two, then make a public spectacle out of a trial that the Media can glom onto and make millions. Then, set him up in prison with 3 squares a day, plenty of sex, TV, gym, whatever he wants, needs, or desires...and best of all...make the public pay for it all. Is that justice? No. American justice is a joke. Hmmmm...maybe that is the reason the rest of the world is laughing at us. The biggest problem are not Aurora shooters, the biggest problem are the 16K weapons that disappear into thin air every year to reappear in relation to some crime all over the continent from Alaska to Fireland. If that could be stopped we would have the second big success after the Brady Bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted February 3, 2013 #156 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The biggest problem are not Aurora shooters, the biggest problem are the 16K weapons that disappear into thin air every year to reappear in relation to some crime all over the continent from Alaska to Fireland. If that could be stopped we would have the second big success after the Brady Bill. Really? And how do you propose to stop that? Oh, I have an idea...let's ask Obama and his thug Attorney General to make it stop...I mean, they are experts on the subject...oh wait though, their real expertise comes from covering up Fast and Furious...never mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted February 3, 2013 #157 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Really? And how do you propose to stop that? Oh, I have an idea...let's ask Obama and his thug Attorney General to make it stop...I mean, they are experts on the subject...oh wait though, their real expertise comes from covering up Fast and Furious...never mind. My idea is that everybody who legally obtained a gun has to legally dispose of it again leaving a paper trail to prove it. No more gun sales without proper documentation. And what Obama proposes is completely irrelevant for me, unless they copy my proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted February 3, 2013 #158 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The biggest problem are not Aurora shooters, the biggest problem are the 16K weapons that disappear into thin air every year to reappear in relation to some crime all over the continent from Alaska to Fireland. If that could be stopped we would have the second big success after the Brady Bill. You must be referring to Fast and Furious. In case you werent aware thats sponsored by the govmnt. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted February 3, 2013 #159 Share Posted February 3, 2013 My idea is that everybody who legally obtained a gun has to legally dispose of it again leaving a paper trail to prove it. No more gun sales without proper documentation. And what Obama proposes is completely irrelevant for me, unless they copy my proposal. It is utterly ridiculous. And it is so because...criminals don't obey the gun laws anyway. Stop making everyone suspect and start doing away with the criminal element of society...and then things will change. It begins and ends with a huge and I mean HUGE shakeup of the Judiciary in this country...but...sigh...it will never happen...so I'll just dream on. You must be referring to Fast and Furious. In case you werent aware thats sponsored by the govmnt. Great minds think alike eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted February 3, 2013 #160 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It is utterly ridiculous. And it is so because...criminals don't obey the gun laws anyway. Stop making everyone suspect and start doing away with the criminal element of society...and then things will change. It begins and ends with a huge and I mean HUGE shakeup of the Judiciary in this country...but...sigh...it will never happen...so I'll just dream on. Most ridiculous for those who have an interest in "disappearing" guns I wager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted February 3, 2013 #161 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Most ridiculous for those who have an interest in "disappearing" guns I wager. The 'disappearing' guns are in fact guns that are sold into the black market. How do you deal with the black market gun trade? How is any of that affected by telling me that I have to have my next door neighbor have an FBI check before I can sell him my gun? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted February 3, 2013 #162 Share Posted February 3, 2013 You must be referring to Fast and Furious. In case you werent aware thats sponsored by the govmnt. No, I am not, because fast and furious is hardly the source of the 60k+ guns the Mexican authorities have rounded up in the last years, where we have not yet counted the 2-3000 that are illegally smuggled to Puerto Rico every year nor the thousands that end up everywhere on the continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
questionmark Posted February 3, 2013 #163 Share Posted February 3, 2013 The 'disappearing' guns are in fact guns that are sold into the black market. How do you deal with the black market gun trade? How is any of that affected by telling me that I have to have my next door neighbor have an FBI check before I can sell him my gun? By holding those accountable that sell their guns there. For that you need to know who the last legal owner was and whether this legal owner can show that it was illegally taken from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted February 3, 2013 #164 Share Posted February 3, 2013 No, I am not, because fast and furious is hardly the source of the 60k+ guns the Mexican authorities have rounded up in the last years, where we have not yet counted the 2-3000 that are illegally smuggled to Puerto Rico every year nor the thousands that end up everywhere on the continent. Sounds like your making a case for more Border Control. I agree with you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted February 3, 2013 #165 Share Posted February 3, 2013 By holding those accountable that sell their guns there. For that you need to know who the last legal owner was and whether this legal owner can show that it was illegally taken from him. I have to go clean out the garage...I agree...Border Control...not Gun Control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted February 3, 2013 #166 Share Posted February 3, 2013 No, but to do that they don't need a registry, all they need is a company of soldiers. Now, if you want your paranoia stand in the way of avoiding crime (regardless if it is all crime or only some percent of it) one should wonder whether you want a solution at all or would prefer civilization to decay in bands of armed hooligans. Is there a way to add a million "likes"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted February 3, 2013 #167 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Frank the lunatic will cause trouble no matter what they will find away,car accidents kill more every year than guns do and not just drunk drivers pure accidents.Should we ban cars and make the gov drive us all around because lots are not responsible enough to drive? no, but car laws have reduced the number of deaths. Gun control would do the same. It's not an all or nothing proposition. We don't live in a black and white world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted February 3, 2013 #168 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Sounds like your making a case for more Border Control. Assuming you mean the border to Mexico, it IS controlled. There's nothing more to do. This is now a red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted February 3, 2013 #169 Share Posted February 3, 2013 It took you 3 posts to say nothing. I congratulate you on wasting 10 seconds of my life. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted February 3, 2013 #170 Share Posted February 3, 2013 We've all heard Andrew Cuomo say this line during the state of the State address on 9 Jan but sounding more like something from a 1930s era German-American Bund Rally. The question I want to ask is, how many bullets are needed to bring down a tyrannical government? Against a government that has billions of their own bullets, countless missiles and thousands of nukes... well, I think the question is a bit redundant, if not completely stupid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted February 3, 2013 #171 Share Posted February 3, 2013 Assuming you mean the border to Mexico, it IS controlled. There's nothing more to do. This is now a red herring. Did that really come out of your mouth? Or were you farting? So,what you are telling us all is that no more illegal aliens come across the border from Mexico? Really now. And the drug cartels have stopped growing Marijuana in our state parks? That's great news!!!! I didn't know! Why hasn't our Great Leader told us this marvelous and wonderous news? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 4, 2013 Author #172 Share Posted February 4, 2013 We trace them in other ways. Forensics. Witnesses. But the bigger question is...so, we catch The Lunatic...(i.e. The Aurora shooter) What then? Everyone knows he's guilty. But the justice department has made a mockery of justice. True justice would be...convene a jury the following day, if warranted, and again, the innocence of the Aurora shooter is not even in question, then, hang the accused by the neck in front of the court house in which he was convicted and sentenced to death. Swift...lethal...sends a message to all. Ah, but no, keep him out of sight for a year or two, then make a public spectacle out of a trial that the Media can glom onto and make millions. Then, set him up in prison with 3 squares a day, plenty of sex, TV, gym, whatever he wants, needs, or desires...and best of all...make the public pay for it all. Is that justice? No. American justice is a joke. Hmmmm...maybe that is the reason the rest of the world is laughing at us. I agree in essence. I think if we hold televised public executions that it would send a message. Although I can’t help but consider those public executions we see in the Muslim nations under Sharia law and how we think that is so barbaric. But thinking about it more, it really isn’t the form of execution but for what the punishment is for. There are clearly things like adultery that carry a death sentence there but we here in the west would just say – so what? For punishment of mass murder, there should be public executions, whether they were in their right mind or not. Part of the problem in our society is that for the past 30 or so years, our children are taught that there are no consequences to their actions. There is no failing in school. If you fail, it’s not your fault. Just blame something or someone else. This carries over into real life when these children try to cope in that real world and get a face full of reality. Need I repeat myself again and say this is the fault of the Socialist leaning public education system?! The message sent by public execution is that there are consequences to our actions. People wonder why we are so far down on test rankings among the other nations – yeah, I wonder too. There is no challenge left for our kids to succeed. We’ve stolen it from them and now we target guns for what we did to the children? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted February 4, 2013 #173 Share Posted February 4, 2013 People like the Aurora shooter dont usually have a very pleasant experience in prison and the sex likely wont be consensual. unless hes in solitary his gym will be where he gets thrill killed by some gang banger trying to earn cred with his bros..as for his food. They usually have special plates set aside for his type of criminal with the "good food" in it. Really pleasant. But I like your idea better saves money. Then, set him up in prison with 3 squares a day, plenty of sex, TV, gym, whatever he wants, needs, or desires...and best of all... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted February 4, 2013 Author #174 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Against a government that has billions of their own bullets, countless missiles and thousands of nukes... well, I think the question is a bit redundant, if not completely stupid. Ah yes, the government has more arms and ammo but you need bodies that will use them against the American people. If revolution comes, it’s not going to be some Ruby Ridge or Waco. It’s going to be widespread. There will probably be some trigger where the military takes out a neighborhood or something but after that initial event, I see the military either stepping down or joining the people. The military takes an oath to the nation, not Obama and the people are the nation. It will be the people by virtue of their arms that will force the military to make that decision. Will the diehards left in the military be willing to use nukes on the American People? So no, the question is not redundant or stupid but weather or not the politicians will listen or not. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted February 4, 2013 #175 Share Posted February 4, 2013 Assuming you mean the border to Mexico, it IS controlled. There's nothing more to do. This is now a red herring. I'd disagree. There is more that could be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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