The Ancient Alien Theory Is True

[bee]

basically the whole AA is to make money.. sell books.. sell tickets to talks and lectures.. make money from videos.. tours etc.. it is as much as of a scam as the y2k virus..

there is a hell of a lot more money to be made....and is made, by orthodox Egyptology (etc) than any of the AA stuff....

careers and belief systems are also at stake....the status quo will always close ranks when threatened...

[Abramelin]

there is a hell of a lot more money to be made....and is made, by orthodox Egyptology (etc) than any of the AA stuff....

careers and belief systems are also at stake....the status quo will always close ranks when threatened...

I don't think so. I have never seen a bestseller written by Zawass or Lehner. Their books were written for specialists, while books written by a Hancock and Sitchin sell like hamburgers for those who prefer fast mind-food.

[zoser]

So the Fall of Mankind may have been, by this interpretation, true, only it was the ETs that were responsible? So therefore, the Biblical stories were not actually mythology, but were an attempt to document what actually went on, only that "God" was or were actually ETs?

This is an interesting interpretation.

You put that well.

[zoser]

you're missing the bit where those children of women and Angels were wiped out.

whoops. You're also missing thepolitical implication of that story in the Bible. Ohh look, we'e chosen by God, they're the bastad off-spring of Fallen Angelîc rape. We have God on our side, they'e nothing but wisted and evil troll people.

All of the Pentuarch is like that. We're God's people, he'll look after us evenif we've been d********s again and been drummed out f the magc circle (again).

I think you are correct. There have been major changes of planetary epoch that have led to a purging of the race. It's a long and detailed story that I am still only at the beginning of unravelling.

[zoser]

So zoser, you have presented arguments that you feel are definitive and beyond reproach? Well, let's see:

1) Granite will never produce electricity, no matter how much it is vibrated.

2) You have basically taken tiny snippets of Ancient Egyptian art out of context and misinterpreted them to be technology when in fact their meaning has been well known for quite a long time.

3) You have failed to produce even a single bit of ancient technology to support your conclusion

4) You have failed to show definitively that aliens were in fact present in ancient history, at any point in time.

5) You have denied that egyptologists have things correct with allusions to some sort of conspiracy without giving any evidence thereof.

6) Your grasp of engineering and construction is woefully inadequate, thus the need to parrot other people's ideas who, ironically, show signs of also having inadequate knowledge.

7) You cherry pick points that might support your conclusion when taken out of context while neglecting the bigger picture.

8) All of these 'anomalies' have yet to be bound together in a cohesive, encompassing hypothesis.

9) Your continued denial of the favored theory of the Great Pyramid by modern academia shows your inability to understand or appreciate the lifetimes of study and hard work that have gone into said theory.

10) Your 'my theory stands until you disprove it' stance is a logical fallacy that really should have never made it past your lips if you were honest about your quest for the truth.

I could go on though I think the gist is apparent. If you are going to challenge the current theory on the Great Pyramid then you have a helluva lot of work to do. As it stands, you haven't even laid your hands on the apple cart, let alone upset it.

Good to see that you are keeping up with the thread. Even if your sense of perception is a little awry.

[zoser]

No youre not responding to any aspect, if that was so youd have answered my simple 2 questions, which I will persist in asking till you answer them. Only 2 questions for the man who thinks he has all the answers, Your ignorance will say 'go back and read posts', 'search youtube'.... well the answer to that mate is a simple NO.

You make the claims. You name your sources. Everyone else will post sources willingly, so play the game. Becuase most of your ideas come from one man , Dunn. Putting him on a pedestal like he knows 'stuff' that means history needs to be rewritten.

If it were the case that you 'modern researchers' have now 'reached the conclusions' on the real 'facts' of the mids, then I want to know about them. Who wouldnt? If someone knows something and has NEW facts about the GP that I didnt know about, of course Im interested and want to know more, in one sense, so name them.

Ive named your primary source - Dunn. Please list the others. Its a simple request , and as per the "I'm just responding to any aspect of the AA hypothesis as people discuss them" well then prove it. Respond to me? Do not swerve again and say its all there on google/youtube, list your sources.

Because then you will really struggle to get past Dunn wont you? hence I can understand your lack of willingness to actually respond. So it comes back to what Ive said earlier...there are not a whole bunch of modern researchers switching on...haha, to the pyramid energy theory, at all are there?

But if so - name them, so simple.

Well there are loads of them. The chemical engineers that proposed the nuclear energy theory for a start. For me it's not the names that are important but more the fact that people are taking up the research with enthusiasm. The fact that they are specialists in individual fields only adds to the seriousness of the endeavour but as I said it's more the fact that people would do it.

Partly in protest of the warped mainstream theories and partly because people now have access to information that 30 years ago they could only dream about.

[bee]

Although it lies completely out of sight, Djoser’s burial chamber and associated tunnels and galleries are at least as impressive as any other part of the complex at Saqqara. Djoser was buried in a red granite sarcophagus at the bottom of a 92-foot shaft under the pyramid. His mummy was not found, and what few remains have been recovered from the burial chamber date to a later period.

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http://emhotep.net/2...gem-of-saqqara/

In other words...there is no proof that he was buried there or that it was purpose built for his burial...

On your link....it even says that the 'Southern Tomb' wasn't actually tomb

Although it is called a tomb, it is too small for a sarcophagus, and like much of the rest of the complex, appears to have served a symbolic function.

Abramelin...

This also shows you that this older pyramid wasn't anything like your granite resonator/machine/power-plant/whatever.

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well perhaps they didn't have to be exactly the same....???

like the Great Pyramid....the 'Djoser' one has a red granite 'sarcophagus'....with no proof that a body was ever in it...

Even Egyptologist disagree on fundamental stuff like....

Inscriptions on several jars dated to his rule indicate that he was the son of Pharaoh Khasekhemwy, the last king of the Second Dynasty. Some Egyptologists have attested that Djoser was the second king of the Third Dynasty, with his (possible) brother Sanakhte being the first. However, most now believe that Sanakhte’s rule followed that of Djoser.

Oh and I like the way, in your link....the pyramid is described as a 'machine' and a 'device'.....

Djoser’s complex is a highly integrated machine

[snip]

This giant stone device

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[zoser]

Oh and I like the way, in your link....the pyramid is described as a 'machine' and a 'device'.....

Like I said; more and more people are taking up the idea.

[zoser]

Reply to slave. Had to do it this way because multi quote wasn't working.

So zoser, you have presented arguments that you feel are definitive and beyond reproach? Well, let's see:

1) Granite will never produce electricity, no matter how much it is vibrated.

You seem so certain despite the fact that it's never been replicated. Not that I would recommend it since according to these people there may be radioactive emissions as well.

http://nuclearpyrami...eat_pyramid.php

2) You have basically taken tiny snippets of Ancient Egyptian art out of context and misinterpreted them to be technology when in fact their meaning has been well known for quite a long time.

Well known by whom? Maybe a growing number of people are no longer satisfied by the mindless pap that they constantly ooze.

3) You have failed to produce even a single bit of ancient technology to support your conclusion

Lots of logistics that all point to the same thing. Unexplained high precision stonework all over the world but the GP has to be the biggest smoking gun. No satisfacory explanations exist in the mainstream, and so well qualified specialists have risen to resolve the matter.

4) You have failed to show definitively that aliens were in fact present in ancient history, at any point in time.

The GP wasn't built by tribal folk straight out of the stone age. Find the tools for a start and maybe we will talk again.

5) You have denied that egyptologists have things correct with allusions to some sort of conspiracy without giving any evidence thereof.

Conspiracies there maybe. More likely though they are protecting their jobs and positions.

I know fairy tales when I hear them and they always come from the direction of Egyptologists. I admire the folk who are standing up now all over the world to convey the truth about our enigmatic ancestors. If you feel I have been in error in some technical sense please qualify it.

6) Your grasp of engineering and construction is woefully inadequate, thus the need to parrot other people's ideas who, ironically, show signs of also having inadequate knowledge.

The bigger picture is that there have been advanced cultures here in the distant past that mainstream history takes no account of. They interacted with the indiginous stock and the rest of the disaster can be traced over the last ten thousand years. That's the bigger picture. Not ego hungry Pharaohs flogging thousands of slaves to death to haul one block up a pyramid.

7) You cherry pick points that might support your conclusion when taken out of context while neglecting the bigger picture.

Ever heard of a 'work in progress'? I know you tend to see me as a font of all knowledge but I'm really not. Just humble zoser doing what he loves.

8) All of these 'anomalies' have yet to be bound together in a cohesive, encompassing hypothesis.

The pyramid was no tomb. Precision stonework to that accuracy needs special high tech equipment. Protzen, Lehner and the Japanese crew all proved the same point.

9) Your continued denial of the favored theory of the Great Pyramid by modern academia shows your inability to understand or appreciate the lifetimes of study and hard work that have gone into said theory.

The logistics are far more in favour of the machine theory than the tomb theory. It's that simple really.

10) Your 'my theory stands until you disprove it' stance is a logical fallacy that really should have never made it past your lips if you were honest about your quest for the truth.

Was there ever a theory on the GP before Dunn's research? Well if you could call it that, but it was about as credible as the flat earth theory wasn't it?

I could go on though I think the gist is apparent. If you are going to challenge the current theory on the Great Pyramid then you have a helluva lot of work to do. As it stands, you haven't even laid your hands on the apple cart, let alone upset it.

The truth will set you free my good friend.

Edited February 11, 2013 by zoser

[zoser]

It does not make my life difficult at all. It basically illustrates the AA's deep desire to reinvent the wheel when we already have it. Seems a terrible waste of time revising history completely when so many cultures have been writing, and quite clearly apparently, what went on and how things were done. Yet the AA folks pick and choose, ignore obvious evidence in favorite of basically degrading mankind to idiots who cannot make anything without help from alienz.

Believe what you like. Fortunately there are those that point out your flawed belief so that hope you more people can wonder at what HUMANITY did instead of taking the low road of we could not do it without help. History is full of people who have convinced their followers they are failures but it isn't their fault.....

Better to expose the truth surely than perpetuate falsehoods. That's the principle at stake here.

Edited February 11, 2013 by zoser

[scowl]

Like I said; more and more people are taking up the idea.

They'll feel like idiots when they see how silly the theory is. Just like we felt like idiots in the 70's when "Chariots of the Gods" seemed to make sense until real scientists who studied these things professionally explained how a criminal mislead us and got rich doing it.

Edited February 11, 2013 by scowl

[Harte]

No evidence of any gold or precious adornment found in the GP simple. If there was gold it was most likely for functional purposes. I can tell you with absolute certainty there was never any adorning or ritual treasure in there.

There is testimoney to the gold found in the GP given to us by the first person to get inside since Egypt fell under Roman rule- Arabs under the Caliph Al Mamoun. It was already quoted in this thread what they found.

Ignoring it, of course, manufactures this "mystery."

Harte

[scowl]

1) Granite will never produce electricity, no matter how much it is vibrated.

You seem so certain despite the fact that it's never been replicated. Not that I would recommend it since according to these people there may be radioactive emissions as well.

http://nuclearpyrami...eat_pyramid.php

If anyone needs a good laugh today, don't hesitate to click on that link. It appears that zoser has accepted that granite doesn't produce electricity through piezoelectricity and has moved on to a more plausible theory: the pyramid was a nuclear reactor! Or zoser thinks they're the same thing.

Here are some gems that await you!

Uranium ore from the center of Africa could probably be brought down the Nile River to Giza. In particular, Giza has a layer of bedrock with sand layers below it. The bedrock can support the pyramid and the sand layers can absorb and retain radioactive waste.

It's nice to hear that uranium can be easily mined without leaving a trace and doesn't need to be refined.

The granite must be able to withstand the high temperature and radiation emitted by the fissioning uranium oxide. It has to survive the damage from radiation for a very long time. It must allow passage of most of the neutrons, which it does.

The damage to granite caused by absorption of radiation and extreme temperatures caused by a nuclear reaction would be very obvious. Compared to other rocks, granite doesn't handle high temperatures very well. It tends to split along internal cracks. The internal blocks in the pyramids don't show any deterioration from heat or radiation.

Assuming retention of the uranium and plutonium oxides, the major, soluble, radioactive isotopes are Cesium-137 and Strontium-90. Because they have half-lives of 30 years and 28 years, respectively, they would no longer be detectable.

Cesium-137 decays into Barium-137 which has never been found in a pyramid. Strontium-90 decays into yttrium-90 which has also never been detected in a pyramid. The author wants you to think that nuclear materials simply disappear once they've decayed to more stable substances. I wish this were true.

If the granite from the Kings Chamber was exposed to a neutron flux, some of the U-238 would have been transformed to plutonium isotopes. The presence of any plutonium would prove nuclear fission.

But there have been no traces of plutonium found in the pyramids. That destroys the entire theory. Oh wait, there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for this as well...

There is no archeological evidence of power stations and electrical grids existing on earth in the past 10,000 years, which would have utilized the plutonium. The logical answer is obvious: the plutonium was taken off planet. Barring travel to another solar system, the rational destination could only be Mars.

Yep the "logical answer is obvious": Martians were using the pyramids as breeder reactors to generate plutonium and transport it back to Mars. My gosh, the pieces all fit together.

Thanks zoser!

[+ouija ouija]

My Goodness! They say women talk too much !

[Oniomancer]

Claims won't do. Evidence is what is needed. Tombs were built underground in ancient Egypt all through it's history. As far as I can see that's unarguable.

So we can comfortably dismiss any stories as just stories and not evidence? HOT DAMN! (Proceeds to rip out half of every AA book ever written)

Flip that coin over. Egyptologists saw burial mastabas and made the false connection with pyramids. Are they the same? One is built out of mud brick, while the GP for example is a marvel or precision engineering. Are they the same?

Only an idiot would say so.

Is this like one of those double-headed trick coins? The very first pyramid, the one built by your namesake, is nothing more than a giant mastaba. The more traditional mastabas of the same period, coincidentally, start being made of stone. The collapsed pyramid of Meidum started out as a stepped pyramid. After the old kingdom, nearly all the pyramids constructed were of mud brick cased with stone. Only and idiot would fail to draw a connection. And you still haven't answered the question.

That really is a bridge to far for me. Not the Egyptologists apparently.

I'm not going along with that Mr O. There's no connection whatsoever. Mastaba or not it still supports burial underground as the method of choice.

No support for tomb theory there.

Underground. Huh. You don't say...

http://www.bibliotec...pto_mist_2c.htm

http://s4.hubimg.com...335207_f520.jpg

http://www.guardians...BentPyramid.htm

http://www.guardians.../egypt/red2.htm

http://guardians.net...ges/Khafre3.jpg

http://www.guardians...aurePyramid.htm

I trust I don't have to highlight the salient details.

Oh yes, the comparison with Market Garden for your views is very appropriete. Everything that could go wrong for you surely has

Nothing about the GP whatsoever points to aesthetics. That's one thing modern investigators all agree on.

Funny, I thought they all agreed they used tura limestone for the outside because it was prettier. Almost any structure employs some aesthetics, even if it's only symmetry.

If the copper found on the blocks in the middle chamber shafts were not electrodes what were they? Being master of the art of stonework I'm sure they could have fashioned handles out of stone of that is what they required. Nothing you have said here makes sense.

It still all points to a working machine. Not a tomb.

Gantenbrink's door is only 8cm thick. How else would you put an attachment point in it without either leaving a thin fragile spot or leaving a hole in it, which defeats the purpose of sealing it in the first place? (whatever that may be) Since the shaft behind it is sealed, what would they connect too? Despite dunn's claims to the contrary, I see no openings in the intervening space.

Edited February 11, 2013 by Oniomancer

[seeder]

If anyone needs a good laugh today, don't hesitate to click on that link.

I have a good laugh at most things zoser posts. And that link is a PRIME example of the kinds of sites he reads, most dont even list the authors of the sources so we can safely assume, with no trail back to the author, they chose to remain anonymous for a reason. Like they made it up to start with. Man I investigated a link yesterday he quoted from numerous times and on the splash page was articles about davinci code, fairies, spiritual travel, down the rabbit hole...all mumbo jumbo bunkum. Yet he doesnt see it.

WE all know the web is full of good stuff, bad stuff, weird stuff, plain stupid stuff - right? Ive found myself in in odd parts of it myself at times while searching for info... and the baffling thing about zoser and all the other AA'ers is...they get attrcated to these sites, with no credibility whatsoever, like moths to the dendera lamps! And this is a reason why they get ridiculed so much, they get sucked into screwball sites for a reason. Know what that is? Its because THEY are all screwballs.

Like they say in england, or imply rather...working class low intellectuals choose to read the SUN newspaper, (crap sensationalised stories and titty pics for those who dont know it) while mid-upper class/or higher educated types read the TIMES paper. (no titty pics but lots of real world news, politics and finance among regular news) .Its the same with the web. You can tell someones character and intellect quite well from the sources of the rubbish they post

The bizarre thing is , zoser claims to have been a teacher, engineer and now works at the British Museum...all occupations that are in TOTAL CONTRAST to the gibberish he posts. So I dont beleive he was any of those things. If he believes in pyramid energy and can delude himself for 500 pages of a thread, he sure as hell can delude himself on what he does for a living. ( personally I think he's quite young and naive...I just get that feeling)

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Edited February 11, 2013 by seeder

[seeder]

. For me it's not the names that are important but more the fact that people are taking up the research with enthusiasm.

See, told you - and everyone else you cant do it! Prove me wrong? And why isnt names/sources...ie credibility important to you? If a guy in a pub (with lots of enthusiasm) said he was a doctor and then advised you they need to remove your leg - would you just accept it? Wouldnt you want to verify he was actually a doctor? Check his qualifications and career out a bit to be sure he wasnt just a quack? And find out for yourself IF there really was a problem with your leg to start with?

Because by your statement you indicate how damned gullible you are and will accept someones word without reasoned question and investigation. Which is absolutely evident by the drivel you post..

[Oniomancer]

The damage to granite caused by absorption of radiation and extreme temperatures caused by a nuclear reaction would be very obvious. Compared to other rocks, granite doesn't handle high temperatures very well. It tends to split along internal cracks. The internal blocks in the pyramids don't show any deterioration from heat or radiation.

Yep, that and the very capillary action which is the only thing that could possibly make the other powerplant idea work would mean half the structure would potentially be infiltrated by radiactive water, which could also very easily lead to a Three Mile Island scenario.

Cesium-137 decays into Barium-137 which has never been found in a pyramid. Strontium-90 decays into yttrium-90 which has also never been detected in a pyramid. The author wants you to think that nuclear materials simply disappear once they've decayed to more stable substances. I wish this were true.

You don't even have to go that far. All but one of the isotopes of plutonium have half-lives in the 5 digit range, and that decays into an isotope of uranium also in that range.

[seeder]

Like I said; more and more people are taking up the idea.

So You, Bee, LV - (not 'too' sure about Bee) - and crikey, (sort off anyway but he's really confused about all sorts) and ermm....errmm....nopeda?

Heck thers a stampede on UM

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Edited February 11, 2013 by seeder

[Abramelin]

In other words...there is no proof that he was buried there or that it was purpose built for his burial...

On your link....it even says that the 'Southern Tomb' wasn't actually tomb

Abramelin...

well perhaps they didn't have to be exactly the same....???

like the Great Pyramid....the 'Djoser' one has a red granite 'sarcophagus'....with no proof that a body was ever in it...

Even Egyptologist disagree on fundamental stuff like....

Oh and I like the way, in your link....the pyramid is described as a 'machine' and a 'device'.....

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I read the whole article, Bee: you should not take the 'machine' or 'device' remark out of context...

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They never found the mummy is not the same as there being proof there was never one to begin with.

But the important thing with the Djoser pyramid is this: it was obviously developed from a mastaba, it was older than the GP, it wasn't made from the same granite stones as were used for the building of the GP, and it had an empty sarcophagus in it. People perfected their building techniques and constructed an even better pyramid: the GP, but based on more or less the same principles but with better material. Meaning: they didn't build a power-plant or whatever, just another but more perfect temple or tomb..

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Even Egyptologists disagree, yes, that's how things work in science, and that is why I prefer science above fast-food-fringe 'theories'' which are most often based on absolutely nothing. Every AA believer has no doubts whatsoever and gladly accepts another fast-food-theory, as long as it has ancient aliens in it. See the difference?

Zoser has in all these pages never shown any proof of ancient alien intervention (which is what this thread is about), only that he firmly believes in it.

[seeder]

Better to expose the truth surely than perpetuate falsehoods. That's the principle at stake here.

:clap: :clap:

So when will you start doing as you prescribe? Warrior of Truth

CLASSIC zoser-isms again. completely at odds with himself!

[Abramelin]

Like I said; more and more people are taking up the idea.

That's how organized religions started. Can we look forward to seeing you wearing a full beard and a turban?

[Space Commander Travis]

So You, Bee, LV - (not 'too' sure about Bee) - and crikey, (sort off anyway but he's really confused about all sorts) and ermm....errmm....nopeda?

Heck thers a stampede on UM

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sorry?

[seeder]

sorry?

Ah, did I mistake your stance as being a believer in the AA stuff? If so apologies.

So you agree its a load of rubbish too then?

[Space Commander Travis]

Ah, did I mistake your stance as being a believer in the AA stuff? If so apologies.

So you agree its a load of rubbish too then?

Now, did I say either of those things? I just think that some of the ideas are interesting, or would be interesting if they were true. Or even if they weren't true, they're still interesting, hypothetically. That doesn't necessarily mean that I endorse them, but neither does it mean that I necessarily dismiss it all out of hand.