Oera Linda Book and the Great Flood [Part 2]

[Abramelin]

.. to the lowlands is the flat area where the Frisian dwelled in the Punjabi before they left for Frisia. This was not the Frisian Aldland.

I know....

They believe that they are pure children of Finda, and that Finda was born in the Himmellaia mountains, whence she went with her children to the lowlands.

So Aldland, the homeland of the Finda, was near the Himalaya.

[Knul]

I know....

They believe that they are pure children of Finda, and that Finda was born in the Himmellaia mountains, whence she went with her children to the lowlands.

So Aldland, the homeland of the Finda, was near the Himalaya.

Where do you read that the homeland of Finda is called Aldland ?

[Abramelin]

Where do you read that the homeland of Finda is called Aldland ?

Where else but in the OLB?

In early times almost all the Finda lived together in their native land, which was called Aldland, and is now submerged. They were thus far away, and therefore we had no need for wars. When they were driven hitherwards, and appeared as robbers, then arose the necessity of defending ourselves, and we had armies, kings, and wars.

In êra tyda hêmadon Findas folk mêst algadur invr hjara moders baerta-lând, mit nôma ald-lând that nw vnder-ne sê lêith.

In Dutch-ish:

In eerdere tijden woonde Finda's volk meest altegader in haar moeder's (ge)boorte-land, met name Ald-Land dat nu onderne zee ligt.

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Edited March 9, 2013 by Abramelin

[The Puzzler]

What we all should do is look at OLD maps of the Netherlands.

Maybe some Dutch city was once named very similar to "Aken".

I did, but I haven't found anything yet.

But I DID find BUDA, or "Beda", or Bitburg/Büdesheim, using these old maps.

Büdesheim... Buda's Heim.

I still don't know why Aachen isn't right for you. It fits fine. It says old citadel, the town is old and well known as being old and would have been there and is in the way back to the lowlands, which I explained as being a gauge citadel, not passing next to it.

But I do think your find of Beda is in the right spot, the high fens - now Munster, I see is kinda near the Thuringa Wald.

But Munster or any form of it is NOT on the old map you showed. It says FRANKS, but nothing is between the Rhine and the Eems, as it should be. A Frankish stronghold called Mimigernaford existed - but nothing seems to be on the map at all. That's in your favour Abe.

Funny enough, right near it, it says Marsen and there is mountains. (Not that I think they are the Marsaten spoken of by Apollonia).

Edited March 9, 2013 by The Puzzler

[Abramelin]

I still don't know why Aachen isn't right for you. It fits fine. It says old citadel, the town is old and well known as being old and would have been there and is in the way back to the lowlands, which I explained as being a gauge citadel, not passing next to it.

But I do think your find of Beda is in the right spot, the high fens - now Munster, I see is kinda near the Thuringa Wald.

And I am thinking that if not anything better shows up (by searching old maps), the German Aken is the OLB Aken.

But Aken is not anywhere near some delta. That is my problem.

[The Puzzler]

And I am thinking that if not anything better shows up (by searching old maps), the German Aken is the OLB Aken.

But Aken is not anywhere near some delta. That is my problem.

But you do pass about it on the way to the Rhine delta from above the Rhine.

You've probably seen all these maps but I'll link anyway for anyone interested like us, it's now 4am, thanks to the maps and I must sleep, goodnight all.

http://www.oldmapsbo...any.htm#germany

This also has a palaeogeographic mapping of the Netherlands from 5500BC.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Atlas_of_the_Netherlands

Edited March 9, 2013 by The Puzzler

[Abramelin]

But you do pass about it on the way to the Rhine delta from above the Rhine.

You've probably seen all these maps but I'll link anyway for anyone interested like us, it's now 4am, thanks to the maps and I must sleep, goodnight all.

http://www.oldmapsbo...any.htm#germany

This also has a palaeogeographic mapping of the Netherlands from 5500BC.

http://commons.wikim...the_Netherlands

The - my - problem is: you DON'T pass it anyway near.

Goodnight, Puzz.

Sleep well.

[Knul]

I know....

They believe that they are pure children of Finda, and that Finda was born in the Himmellaia mountains, whence she went with her children to the lowlands.

So Aldland, the homeland of the Finda, was near the Himalaya.

Once again: Aldland, the homeland of the Finda's, was near the Himalaya and this Aldland is now under the sea. Please tell me,where the lowlands are: Punjabi or Frisia or Finland ?

Edited March 9, 2013 by Knul

[Knul]

I still don't know why Aachen isn't right for you. It fits fine. It says old citadel, the town is old and well known as being old and would have been there and is in the way back to the lowlands, which I explained as being a gauge citadel, not passing next to it.

But I do think your find of Beda is in the right spot, the high fens - now Munster, I see is kinda near the Thuringa Wald.

But Munster or any form of it is NOT on the old map you showed. It says FRANKS, but nothing is between the Rhine and the Eems, as it should be. A Frankish stronghold called Mimigernaford existed - but nothing seems to be on the map at all. That's in your favour Abe.

Funny enough, right near it, it says Marsen and there is mountains. (Not that I think they are the Marsaten spoken of by Apollonia).

Aken has no connection with the Fly river nor the Flevo lake, from where the Fly river jumps into the North Sea. It is just too far away from the Frisian homeland. I think Abrahamelins Ocken-burg is a better choice.

[Abramelin]

Once again: Aldland, the homeland of the Finda's, was near the Himalaya and this Aldland is now under the sea. Please tell me,where the lowlands are: Punjabi or Frisia or Finland ?

Punjab.

You are focusing in the wrong direction.

The Pamir plateau was supposed to be flooded, and it was supposed to be Eden.

But the writers of the OLB didn't like "everything coming from the Jewish Bible", or better the Old Testament, so instead they made it the home of their enemies.

Then there are the OLB Gola, who were nothing but Jewish priests, really, and the 'enemies' of the Fryans..

Don't you get the picture by now?

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Edited March 9, 2013 by Abramelin

[Knul]

Punjab.

You are focusing in the wrong direction.

The Pamir plateau was supposed to be flooded, and it was supposed to be Eden.

But the writers of the OLB didn't like "everything coming from the Jewish Bible", or better the Old Testament, so instead they made it the home of their enemies.

Then there are the OLB Gola, who were nothing but Jewish priests, really, and the 'enemies' of the Fryans..

Don't you get the picture by now?

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Even the date of the submersion of Aldland has been derived from the Bible. As you remember the OLB has been written by Halbertsma, who was a Baptist minister in Deventer. Just the Roman catholics have bed reputation in the OLB.

Edited March 9, 2013 by Knul

[Abramelin]

Even the date of the submersion of Aldland has been derived from the Bible. As you remember the OLB has been written by Halbertsma, who was a Baptist minister in Deventer.

Let's stay with Halbertsma as just a suspect. We don't know for sure he wrote the OLB.

But someone, whoever it was, was getting tired of people claiming descendance from one of the 12 Tribes of Israel, as was popular for ages.

So he/they turned things around, like I have said dozens of times, to make his/their own history, Frisian history, look more glorious.

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Edited March 9, 2013 by Abramelin

[Knul]

Let's stay with Halbertsma as just a suspect. We don't know for sure he wrote the OLB.

But someone, whoever it was, was getting tired of people claiming descendance from one of the 12 Tribes of Israel.

So he/they turned things around, like I have said dozens of times, to make his/their own history look more glorious.

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He described a Frisian civilisation in pre-christian times, but took all characteristics from 19th c. protestant religion to equal the mission of the Frisians like the mission of the Jewish people.Halbertsma is not just a suspect, but the main and only suspect.

Edited March 9, 2013 by Knul

[Abramelin]

He described a Frisian civilisation in pre-christian times, but took all characteristics from 19th c. protestant religion to equal the mission of the Frisians like the mission of the Jewish people.

There you go!

[Abramelin]

I think Goffe Jensma was right after all: it is about religion.

And I would like to add: racism.

Just read about what the Fryans thought about the Lydians and the Finda, the Africans and the Asians.

The Fryans thought they were the Übermensch, the superior people.

Why you think the Nazis loved this book so much?

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Edited March 9, 2013 by Abramelin

[Knul]

I think Goffe Jensma was right after all: it is about religion.

And I would like to add: racism.

Just read about what the Fryans thought about the Lydians and the Finda, the Africans and the Asians.

The Fryans thought they were the Übermensch, the superior people.

Why you think the Nazis loved this book so much?

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He claimed, that the Frisian nation should be kept free from foreign influences, especially the German influence promoted by the Grimm brothers. Besides he opposed to totalitarian regimes. Halbertsma in his time was a socialist (or communist). His birth place Grouw was called the red village. He never regarded the Frisians as Übermenschen, but was devoted to his Frisian culture, language and religion. It is clear that the Nazi abused the book for their purposes.

Edited March 9, 2013 by Knul

[The Puzzler]

Aken has no connection with the Fly river nor the Flevo lake, from where the Fly river jumps into the North Sea. It is just too far away from the Frisian homeland. I think Abrahamelins Ocken-burg is a better choice.

Why? They are returning from the upper Rhine.

OH I SEE: You are referring to this other mention apart from the Apollonia one.

Abêlo, Jaltia’s husband; Grevetman over the Zuiderflylanden. He was three times heerman. The towns Aken, Liudburg, and Katsburg are under his care.

Edited March 10, 2013 by The Puzzler

[Knul]

Why? They are returning from the upper Rhine.

OH I SEE: You are referring to this other mention apart from the Apollonia one.

Abêlo, Jaltia’s husband; Grevetman over the Zuiderflylanden. He was three times heerman. The towns Aken, Liudburg, and Katsburg are under his care.

The Rhine Aken is the same as the Southern-Flyland Aken. Just look for an area in Frisia (not in Germany) with towns Aken, Liudburg, Katsburg, Buda and Mannagardafrda. Let us say, within a circle of 100 miles from Medemblik and Stavoren.

Edited March 10, 2013 by Knul

[The Puzzler]

So, from Arnhem, you think they sailed up to the Zuiderzee? This was Lake Flevo and Staveren is part of the area.

This delta of it is where they came out? Rather than coming out the Rhine. Up the Yssel. On this map: http://upload.wikime...nheirs-1748.jpg

Now what? You say the Aken on the Rhine (Aachen) is in the area of Southern Flyland...is this Zuiderflyland? and known as Sudar Flyland in the OLB. Or don't you mean Aken Aachen?

Abêlo, Jaltia’s husband; Grevetman over the Zuiderflylanden. He was three times heerman. The towns Aken, Liudburg, and Katsburg are under his care.

So? Aken on the Rhine IS IN HIS AREA?

Edited March 10, 2013 by The Puzzler

[The Puzzler]

What we all should do is look at OLD maps of the Netherlands.

Maybe some Dutch city was once named very similar to "Aken".

I did, but I haven't found anything yet.

But I DID find BUDA, or "Beda", or Bitburg/Büdesheim, using these old maps.

Büdesheim... Buda's Heim.

I agree, Buda could be Bitburg.

The city’s name derives from its Celtic toponym, Beda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitburg

The Saxman Storo, Sytia’s husband; Grevetman over the Hoogefennen and Wouden. Nine times he was chosen as duke or heerman (commander). The towns Buda and Manna-garda-forda are under his care.

[The Puzzler]

Where was this Ockenburg Abe speaks of?

I found Hagenvorde nearby on that Ijssel route back to the Fly - could be Aken-vorde Aken-ford or something, the old map has a cross there, like a citadel was there. http://upload.wikime...nheirs-1748.jpg

But the Twisklanders had crossed the Rhine and so sounds as if they were near Aachen - just coming into the lowlands, in the journey back from seeing the Marsaten.

Wijchen, where Batenburg is sounds somewhat like Aken. It's probably not on the right route but I have no idea where you guys are going quite frankly...

Edited March 10, 2013 by The Puzzler

[Knul]

So, from Arnhem, you think they sailed up to the Zuiderzee? This was Lake Flevo and Staveren is part of the area.

This delta of it is where they came out? Rather than coming out the Rhine. Up the Yssel. On this map: http://upload.wikime...nheirs-1748.jpg

Now what? You say the Aken on the Rhine (Aachen) is in the area of Southern Flyland...is this Zuiderflyland? and known as Sudar Flyland in the OLB. Or don't you mean Aken Aachen?

Abêlo, Jaltia’s husband; Grevetman over the Zuiderflylanden. He was three times heerman. The towns Aken, Liudburg, and Katsburg are under his care.

So? Aken on the Rhine IS IN HIS AREA?

So, from Arnhem, you think they sailed up to the Zuiderzee? This was Lake Flevo and Staveren is part of the area.

This delta of it is where they came out? Rather than coming out the Rhine. Up the Yssel. On this map: http://upload.wikime...nheirs-1748.jpg

Now what? You say the Aken on the Rhine (Aachen) is in the area of Southern Flyland...is this Zuiderflyland? and known as Sudar Flyland in the OLB. Or don't you mean Aken Aachen?

Abêlo, Jaltia’s husband; Grevetman over the Zuiderflylanden. He was three times heerman. The towns Aken, Liudburg, and Katsburg are under his care.

So? Aken on the Rhine IS IN HIS AREA?

That is not the right direction. They followed the Rhine untill the mouth at Leyden [Lydasburg] and from there north to Westflyland. Your idea is right, but the theory is, dat only in Roman times the Rhine and IJssel were connected by a Drusus-canal. This proofs that it was a boat-trip.

[Ott]

I think Goffe Jensma was right after all: it is about religion.

And I would like to add: racism.

I agree, but it is a sort of racism that wants to live in peace with the other races in the end.

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THA FORSTA THÉR WÉRHÉD MINNA ÀND RJUCHT

THAM SKILUN FON THA PRESTERA WIKA.

BLOD SKIL STRÁMA.

MEN THÉRUT SKILET FOLK NYE KRÀFTA GÁRA.

FINDA.S FOLK SKIL SINA FINDINGRIKHÉD TO MÉMA NITHA WENDA.

THÀT LYDA.S FOLK SINA KRÀFTA

ÀND WI VSA WISDOM.

THA SKILUN THA FALXA PRESTERA WÉI FÁGATH WERTHA FON JRTHA.

Sandbach (1876):

The princes who love the truth and justice

shall separate themselves from the priests;

blood shall flow,

but from it the people will gather new strength.

Finda's folk shall contribute their industry to the common good,

Linda's folk their strength,

and we our wisdom.

Then the false priests shall be swept away from the earth.

[Ott]

They did not hate the other races, but yes they saw them as different.

In that sense, they discriminated.

What they hated were the false and foul priesthoods, and the princes that collaborated with them in using the people as their slaves.

Hence the importance of the word FRYA in OLB which means free.

[Ott]

They did not hate the other races, but yes they saw them as different.

In that sense, they discriminated.

It especially annoys me when racists are accused of 'discrimination.'

The ability to discriminate is a precious facility;

by judging all members of one 'race' to be the same,

the racist precisely shows himself incapable of discrimination.

Christopher Hitchens