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Obama says reject those who warn of Tyranny


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I expected to be bothered by Obama's statement. Many things that he does and says bother me. But honestly, all I heard was a clumsy way of saying "we must all pull together to keep the ship of state afloat". The bit about ignoring voices that warn of tyranny seemed like just a thinly veiled barb at Republicans from a President who is always in campaign mode. That's a major short coming in a person and position that we expect to be able to rise above petty differences and focus on the task at hand. None of the foregoing means that I am not concerned about encroaching tyranny and continual erosion of our freedoms, just that I heard nothing malevolent in the short clip presented.

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Well ...... I dutifully listened to this all the way through and didn't find that the context made any difference. Although I did find it interesting that he seemed to emphasise 'the middle classes' quite a bit, how their lot in life deserved to be improved. No mention of 'citizenship' meaning an involvement in the plight of those currently less well off or even downright poor!

But the line that made my jaw drop was this: "There is not a country on Earth that would not change places with the USA!" !!! This is the sort of statement that causes people to hate the US and all it stands for ..... not envy it! Why? because implicit in that statement is the USA as the pinnacle of human civilization ........ which it blatantly isn't when you think of all the mayhem it creates around the world.

Something popped into my head when I was watching the vid: American soldiers ordered to shoot on American students protesting about the Vietnam War ...... in America ......

That " middle class " is a joke. They all try to make it out like those are the ones hurting.

Look up what our Government considers " middle class".......Depending on what party, it ranges from $200,000 a year to $250,000 a year......

Ya right, the middle class is hurting and needs help.

WTF am I ( and most people ) that make 40 to 50,000 a year, with overtime?.....And the wife not working full time, so lets say 10,000 a year for her.

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I can only address this topic with a brief quote from the wisdom of the ancient ages...

"Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotism"....Aristotle

Those that think it is impossible for tyranny to arise in this day and age have obviously forgotten history and thus shall be doomed to repeat it.

Despotism arises when the people...tired, helpless, or afraid... relinquish their freedom and their voice in hopes that someone will protect them or take care of them...this is the fastest way into the death spiral....slavery and genocide are always just one generation away...

Fine quote, sir.

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Fine quote, sir.

But not one that Aristotle actually said...

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Yes, one can find that online. But what one will not find online or in any library is the exact work of his that has that quote.

Now, I wonder what else one might believe, without actual sources, without proof, without context, simply because they read it online?

How can we take someone who does that seriously when they are discussing other topics? Four letter arguments are rarely convincing.

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Yes, one can find that online. But what one will not find online or in any library is the exact work of his that has that quote.

can you find it, and show us you are not talking out of your azz??? cuz almost every post of yours shows exactly that.

and i'm in no way interested to convince you in anything, you sound like brainwashed kid, stay that way, lol you are more entertaining like that. keep up the good work

oh, i get it, since one will not find online or in any library is the exact work of his that has that quote, but you know it, than he must have told you that personally, lol.

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But not one that Aristotle actually said...

I remember it like tomorrow, it was a barmy Greek evening, some time after six IIRC, Arry was deep into his cups and really having a go at the idea of a Republic. Last thing I remember him shouting was something like "this horse is eating my sandal" and then getting into a brawl with a mule. Fun days.

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I remember it like tomorrow, it was a barmy Greek evening, some time after six IIRC, Arry was deep into his cups and really having a go at the idea of a Republic. Last thing I remember him shouting was something like "this horse is eating my sandal" and then getting into a brawl with a mule. Fun days.

I thought for a second there you were going to teach us a little physics. :w00t:

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I thought for a second there you were going to teach us a little physics. :w00t:

Physics? Pish-Tosh. Anyone can learn physics for themselves. Throw a few rocks off the roof, jump up and down, eat a nice pasta. THAT'S how you learn physics.

It's when it's three am and you're looking for a kabab shop that you learn about LIFE.

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Beats being out at 2AM in a certain district and someone looks at you like you are the kebab or maybe they want to give you one....whatever the case.

That's when you learn to say NO.

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But not one that Aristotle actually said...

Actually...he did. I digress...I cannot quote you the exact source in historical text...but I can find it on brainy quotes!...ththeyahoolol.gif

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/aristotle136351.html

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Physics? Pish-Tosh. Anyone can learn physics for themselves. Throw a few rocks off the roof, jump up and down, eat a nice pasta. THAT'S how you learn physics.

It's when it's three am and you're looking for a kabab shop that you learn about LIFE.

Do ya'll get The Big Bang Theory in Aussieland? If so it is a reference to when Penny asked Sheldon to teach her a "little" physics. He started out "It was a warm summer evening in Greece..."

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Do ya'll get The Big Bang Theory in Aussieland? If so it is a reference to when Penny asked Sheldon to teach her a "little" physics. He started out "It was a warm summer evening in Greece..."

It's where I got the line from, threw in some Doctor Who ("I remember tomorrow like it was yesterday") and added a ramble all of my own.

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It's where I got the line from, threw in some Doctor Who ("I remember tomorrow like it was yesterday") and added a ramble all of my own.

I like Dr. Who. Especially when David Tennant was on there...

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"Not only is our entire system predicated on a distrust of government, the Constitution itself screams that distrust. Limited, enumerated powers. In case that wasn’t clear, a Bill of Rights to absolutely ensure the protection of key liberties.

And the Founders and other great libertarian thinkers in the U.S. said again and again that government was a necessary evil (not good) that had to be watched closely at all times, or it would become dangerous. Like George Washington said, “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”

Skepticism and distrust of government may be the one thing that, historically, could truly be called the core American value. We do not submit to the inevitability of government absolutism, nor do we easily surrender our liberties. At least, we didn’t used to do those things."

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Actually...he did. I digress...I cannot quote you the exact source in historical text...but I can find it on brainy quotes!...

http://www.brainyquo...otle136351.html

Which is why that website offers the following disclaimer:

However, we can't provide any 100% assurances about the quotes we post. That said, most people find our site enormously satisfying, and they love and adore our wonderful site.
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Some will also love the following quote but Caesar never said it either. It too was simply "found on the internet".

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.

Snopes reveals:

Claim: Julius Caesar bade us beware of leaders who bang the drums of war.

Status: False.

We've been seeing this "quote" on the Internet since December 2001, sometimes attributed to Julius Caesar, sometimes to William Shakespeare (presumably lifted from his play, Julius Caesar). Throughout the summer of 2002 it gained popularity, appearing in countless posts to newsgroups and even surfacing in various letters to editors in a handful of newspapers.

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Yet as popular as the quote is, it's not real. These words are not anything Julius Caesar ever wrote or said. No biographies of Caesar or histories of Rome contain these lines, and scholars who have made it their business to know everything about the man draw a blank on this quote. Likewise, Shakespeare did not stuff this soliloquy into the mouth of the title character in his play Julius Caesar, nor did any of the Bard's other characters utter it. No record of this quote has been found prior to its appearance on the Internet in late 2001.

So what's going on here, then?

As Ralph Keyes explains in Nice Guys Finish Seventh, his compendium of misattributed and false quotes, "Famous dead people make excellent commentators on current events." The dead do not reappear to challenge words assigned to them, an attribute much prized by those looking for convenient spokesmen to lend authority to their convictions. This "quote" called for a strong and respected military leader and statesman, hence Caesar was resurrected to give it voice.

Snared Drummed

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"Not only is our entire system predicated on a distrust of government, the Constitution itself screams that distrust. Limited, enumerated powers. In case that wasn’t clear, a Bill of Rights to absolutely ensure the protection of key liberties.

And the Founders and other great libertarian thinkers in the U.S. said again and again that government was a necessary evil (not good) that had to be watched closely at all times, or it would become dangerous. Like George Washington said, “Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.”

Skepticism and distrust of government may be the one thing that, historically, could truly be called the core American value. We do not submit to the inevitability of government absolutism, nor do we easily surrender our liberties. At least, we didn’t used to do those things."

anon

:tu: Yep. Some people seem to forget this though...

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Since I am not one to simply allow smugness to go unchallenged...I did some research...

There is zero proof that Aristotle made or did not make this comment...all sources...and I do mean all...say the quote is attributed to him. Until you can provide an alternative to the accepted origins of the wisdom...I will continue to place authorship on Aristotle. Machiavelli penned it down years later, but that is also credited to the studies of Aristotle.

By the way....this contention is off topic and this is my last installment...take it or leave it...I do not care at this point.

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Since I am not one to simply allow smugness to go unchallenged...I did some research...

There is zero proof that Aristotle made or did not make this comment...all sources...and I do mean all...say the quote is attributed to him. Until you can provide an alternative to the accepted origins of the wisdom...I will continue to place authorship on Aristotle. Machiavelli penned it down years later, but that is also credited to the studies of Aristotle.

By the way....this contention is off topic and this is my last installment...take it or leave it...I do not care at this point.

Leaving it.

If someone here claims Aristole made a quote, and then they are challenged on it, it is up to them to provide proof that Aristotle said it.

You have not did that.

That quote should be attributed to anon.

Of course one is free to continue spreading false info, even calling it "wisdom", but it does not seem wise to believe everything you read online.

Obama should probably go ahead now and warn the whole country to reject false quotes.

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The gullible who beleive everything they read online seem to be a more substantial threat to our nation than tyranny is.

The feeble-minded who beleive every conspiracy theory they hear on right-wing radio are a greater and concrete threat to our nation than some imagined tyranny is.

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Feeble is ignoring signs of tyranny and ever growing government.

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Feeble is ignoring signs of tyranny and ever growing government.

Not just feeble, but it is Un-American to ignore those signs.

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Leaving it.

If someone here claims Aristole made a quote, and then they are challenged on it, it is up to them to provide proof that Aristotle said it.

You have not did that.

That quote should be attributed to anon.

Of course one is free to continue spreading false info, even calling it "wisdom", but it does not seem wise to believe everything you read online.

Obama should probably go ahead now and warn the whole country to reject false quotes.

q:

The gullible who beleive everything they read online seem to be a more substantial threat to our nation than tyranny is.

The feeble-minded who beleive every conspiracy theory they hear on right-wing radio are a greater and concrete threat to our nation than some imagined tyranny is.

You sir...are a *#$%head. It...in truth...matters not where the source of the quote comes from...it IS wisdom. Republics are based on the rule of law...and when the herds realize they can change the law to reflect "mob rules"...it becomes a democracy...and democracies have historically had very short life spans...look that shiz up for yourself.

After a Republic declines to democracy...it is only a matter of time until powers manipulate the ignorant and poor masses to sign their rights away...and lets be honest...the "majority" is always the poor and under educated. "Take care of me!...Save me!....Protect me"..."here...take my freedoms for the trouble"

You seem to be miffed and a bit steamed at the obvious wisdom of this "mysterious sourced" quote...perhaps because it hits like a hammer.

You seem like the typical suspect...probably young and full of grand ideas of fairness and goodness. I tip my hat to you...I was once there. I soon realized that humanity...is not all that bright. They are easily led astray...bread and circuses anyone?

Listen LBA...I am not an enemy combatant...it's just I am older...I have been through the wringer...I have watched the herds toss their liberties at the feet of their representatives as if they were demi-gods....sickening actually. Your representative IS SUPPOSED to work for you...not the other way around...yet we now have a system of a pseudo...twisted aristocracy...with lifetime Senators and Congressmen...this is NOT how it was meant to be.

Our system is broken and cannot be corrected until it is reset to the absolute fundamentals we used to build this nation up into the powerhouse we became...that foundation IS the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I like to remind everyone that there are 4 very successful Socialist countries in Europe right now...as we speak...lovely, wonderful lifestyles. Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland. Please feel free to apply for citizenship there. Those systems WILL NOT WORK in a country of 330 million people...period...end of story...will not work...

But go ahead and attack the wisdom if you must...I do not care if the words came from Aristotle, Plato, Socrates...or Herman Munster...the words ring with truth and wisdom and is a warning to the blind and over trusting...if you think the Gov is your friend...you are an absolute moron.

To refresh memories...

"Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotism"...."supposedly" Aristotle...but even if it was Elmer Fudd...the words are true and wise....you have been informed and educated now...when tshtf shit_hits_the_fan.gif ....you have no one to blame but yourself...

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Leaving it.

If someone here claims Aristole made a quote, and then they are challenged on it, it is up to them to provide proof that Aristotle said it.

You have not did that.

That quote should be attributed to anon.

Of course one is free to continue spreading false info, even calling it "wisdom", but it does not seem wise to believe everything you read online.

Obama should probably go ahead now and warn the whole country to reject false quotes.

q:

The gullible who beleive everything they read online seem to be a more substantial threat to our nation than tyranny is.

The feeble-minded who beleive every conspiracy theory they hear on right-wing radio are a greater and concrete threat to our nation than some imagined tyranny is.

Is that really what you want to discuss from that quote? The provenance?

Because you segue quickly into a rant about the gullible and feeble minded, who quel surprise, are the people who disagree with you. You're quick to shout that someone's comment is a "personal attack" but you've just called nigh EVERYONE who disagrees with you gullible and feeble minded.

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