IRS "scandal" all hype

[ninjadude]

Further investigation, including a criminal investigation promised by the Dept. of Justice, may uncover the type of “misconduct” the President claims to be outraged by, but the evidence for it is not found in the IG’s report, no matter how much Republicans are currently suggesting the opposite.

Also NOT found in the IG’s report:

• Any evidence that “Tea Party” related groups were identified during this process for nefarious reasons;
  
• Any type of identification, political or otherwise, for the groups whose applications were similarly flagged and delayed (“Tea Party” related groups made up only a minority, approximately 1/3 of the groups whose applications were delayed and held for further examination);
  
• Any indication or evidence whatsoever that the White House, or anybody outside of the IRS units handling these cases, had anything to do with what happened;
  
• Any response to the other question the IG’s office was tasked by Congress to investigate, namely: “whether existing social welfare organizations are improperly engaged in a substantial, or even predominant, amount of campaign activity.”
  

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/16/wheres_the_irs_misconduct_partner/

What I really want to call the "Tea Party" has been banned by forum rules.

[Gary Meadows]

Hype is all it takes. The right wing have been rabid beyond reason for quite some time now.

[Ashotep]

More republican propaganda I take.

[pallidin]

Just listened and viewed a live hearing by Congress on this issue.

Congress appears to be "p***ed-off" at the alledged actions towards the IRS.

No hype there, from my perspective, just a really serious investigation.

Edited May 17, 2013 by pallidin

[Kowalski]

Just listened and viewed a live hearing by Congress on this issue.

Congress appears to be "p***ed-off" at the alledged actions towards the IRS.

No hype there, from my perspective, just a really serious investigation.

It's not "hype". This is a serious investigation into a matter that all Americans should be EXTREMELY concerned about!

The gallery at the House Ways and Means Committee Friday had to be called to order after it burst into applause and some gave a standing ovation following an impassioned diatribe against the IRS by Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Mike Kelly.

Kelly took his time during the hearing on the IRS’s targeting of conservatives to lambaste outgoing head Steven Miller, reminding Miller that while the IRS would like to chalk the organization’s recent actions up to a mistake, regular Americans do not get that luxury when dealing with the IRS.

“If you think it’s uncomfortable sitting over there you ought to be a private individual when the IRS is across from you asking you questions,” Kelly began, and that set the tone for the subsequent four minutes.

Some of the highlights:

• “I have a grandson who’s afraid to get out of bed at night because he thinks there’s someone under the bed that’s going to grab him. And I think most Americans feel that way about the IRS.”

• “This kind of reconfirms that, you know what, they [the IRS] can do almost anything they want to anybody they want, anytime they want. This is very chilling for the American people.”

• “This is a Pandora’s Box that has been opened and I don’t think we can get the lid back on it.”

• “I don’t believe the White House just found out about this in a news report.”

• “I got to tell you, where you’re sitting, you should be outraged — and you’re not. The American people should be outraged, and they are.”

• “This reconfirms everything the American public believes! This is a huge blow to the faith and trust the American people have in their government!”

• “Is there any limit to the scope of where you folks can go?”

• “It’s sure as hell intimidating. And I don’t’ know that I got any answers from you today.”

• “I am more concerned today than I was before. The fact that you all can do just about anything you want to anybody. You know, you can put anybody out of business that you want anytime you want.”

• “And when the IRS comes in, you’re not allowed to be shoddy, you’re not allowed to be run horribly, you’re not allowed to make mistakes, you’re not allowed to do one damn thing that doesn’t come in compliance. If you do, you’re held responsible right then.”

• “This is absolutely an overreach and this is an outrage for all America!”

Taken from http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/17/the-scathing-speech-that-just-got-a-near-standing-ovation-during-the-irs-hearing/

[aztek]

it is serious, but some democraps want you to belive otherwise, looks like damage control tactic, lol.

[RavenHawk]

We were due for a major scandal. Watergate will turn out to be nothing. Benghazi, AP, IRS sounds like three strikes to me. And none of them needs to pan out. As the perception of wrong doing is all that is needed. Although, Obama is too smooth for any of it to stick, I just like watching the Socialists squeal. I see NJ is loading up on a barrage of support for The ONE.

[Esoteric Toad]

I wonder if a republican was in office and this happened if it would be called hype?

There'd be riots by now.

[F3SS]

An admission of discrimination by the IRS itself is hype?

[Gary Meadows]

The point is, we don't know fully what has happened. The right don't care to find out, they are using this like many other failed attempts to get rid of the guy they don't like. Truth is not their priority.

[Esoteric Toad]

The point is, we don't know fully what has happened. The right don't care to find out, they are using this like many other failed attempts to get rid of the guy they don't like. Truth is not their priority.

Really? How else would you find the truth? Just because some democrats have said the right shouldn't be looking to score political points does not mean they are.

And please do not pretend if the shoe were on the other foot the same "hype" wouldn't be happening with a goal to damage the other party.

[Kowalski]

Did you know the MAJORITY of tax audits done by the IRS are against the self employed??

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=10313334

Bulk of Government’s Audit Resources Go Toward Collecting From Bottom Rung

Faced with a huge federal deficit and armed with better computer systems as well as a legion of newly trained auditors, the Internal Revenue Service in recent years has quietly established a new number one priority: extracting unpaid taxes from people who are self-employed.

“I have seen more audits in the past two years, and it isn’t who you think that’s being singled out,” said Jeff Fouts, a tax attorney based in Atlanta. “Most people tend to think the IRS goes after the wealthy or famous, but actually quite the opposite is true. It’s the little guy most likely to be audited.”

Statistically speaking, the IRS only appears to be slightly upping its examinations of bottom-bracket taxpayers. In 2006, the IRS conducted around 1.2 million examinations of individuals who earned less than $200,000; last year, there were around 1.3 million of those types of examinations. Still, roughly 90 percent of the 1.4 million IRS audits conducted in 2009 involved persons earning under $200,000. By comparison, the IRS conducted just 28,349 examinations of individuals who earned more than $1 million.

It is widely held misconception that the IRS tends to predominatly go after big corporations or high net worth individuals, accountants and tax attorneys said.

In 2001, the IRS launched a three-year study, part of its National Research Program, which estimated that the annual gap between what was owed the government versus what was collected was roughly $300 billion.

In 2006, the IRS revised the gross gap figure up to an estimated $345 billion while at the same time dedicating itself to narrowing the gap.

Bottom line for freelancers and one-man shows: don’t get too cute, experts said.

“With the IRS,” Fouts said, “you are guilty until proven innocent.”

Edited May 17, 2013 by Kowalski

[Rafterman]

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/16/wheres_the_irs_misconduct_partner/

What I really want to call the "Tea Party" has been banned by forum rules.

So was Watergate, but look how that turned out.

[Dan'O]

What I really want to call the "Tea Party" has been banned by forum rules.

What are your issues with the Tea Party?

[ninjadude]

It's not "hype". This is a serious investigation into a matter that all Americans should be EXTREMELY concerned about!

Taken from http://www.theblaze....he-irs-hearing/

again you quite "theblaze" a republican right wing group. The House is extremely partisan. What you quoted is a bunch of republicans getting their ninnies in a twist.

[ninjadude]

What are your issues with the Tea Party?

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[Dan'O]

I guess I had higher hopes for your response.

[Professor Buzzkill]

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/16/wheres_the_irs_misconduct_partner/

What I really want to call the "Tea Party" has been banned by forum rules.

Hey ninja. Just a quick question. You seem to be most active here defending obamas administration. And from illinois. Were you in the "down low" club with Obama?

[F3SS]

Theblaze rules.

[ninjadude]

Hey ninja. Just a quick question. You seem to be most active here defending obamas administration. And from illinois

Obama was my state senator. Was my presidential candidate.I don't agree with all the administrations doings. But the outlandish crap that comes from the Republicans is childish.

[aztek]

. But the outlandish crap that comes from the Republicans is childish.

you think that is bad, you should read your own posts once in a while, they make any rep. tea party look like they are right on the track.

[Esoteric Toad]

I think the whole "Stone" thing and "Glass Houses" applies here somewhere. If the liberals find something even remotely questionable they go into a frenzy.....then forget all that and point fingers when the conservatives do the same.

A saying I am not fond of in certain circumstances applies here. Let the conservatives do their thing, if there is nothing to be found then it will wither and die. I am certain if the tables were turned that is exactly what the libs would want. Instead it appears that the ridicule to override the potential damage it could cause the administration is in full swing. Unfortunately it seems there are now detractors on both sides of the isle.

Its quite ironic that Rush Limbaugh (who I only partially agree with some of the things he goes on about) was, as I perceived it, being over the top at one time about how this administration would use the IRS to attack conservatives....would have never even imagined that would happen myself. Thought he was being seriously conspiracy minded as usual. And yet here we have it.

[ninjadude]

I think the whole "Stone" thing and "Glass Houses" applies here somewhere. If the liberals find something even remotely questionable they go into a frenzy.....then forget all that and point fingers when the conservatives do the same.

this is what we call false equivalence because in fact, it has nothing to do with reality.

[MiskatonicGrad]

Just listened and viewed a live hearing by Congress on this issue.

Congress appears to be "p***ed-off" at the alledged actions towards the IRS.

No hype there, from my perspective, just a really serious investigation.

yeah and then the guys from the IRS and the members of congress meet later for drinks and laugh about the damn thing.

Rep. soandso: " boy that one question I had really made you squirm"

IRS dude: " yeah did you notice the beads of sweat my lawyer taught me that"

Rep soandso: "could you blurt out something I can use come November"

IRS dude: "give me the list of questions and I'll see what my people can come up with"