badeskov Posted May 22, 2013 #201 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I remember that like it was last week,... that was awesome. Mathias Rust, the pilot, was only a teenager at the time. The balls on that guy!! Im not so sure that all the Comrades felt the same way. Im sure a couple of them got sent to less important jobs after that blunder. Oh yes, that was incredible. However, he did have some aspects working in his favor, he was flying low, his aircraft was small. But you would still think he would have been picked up. Cheers, Badeskov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kludge808 Posted May 22, 2013 #202 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Oh yes, that was incredible. However, he did have some aspects working in his favor, he was flying low, his aircraft was small. But you would still think he would have been picked up. He probably was and assessed as not being a threat. Unknown, yes, but back then left hand not only didn't tell right hand what it was doing but often didn't know itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazzard Posted May 22, 2013 #203 Share Posted May 22, 2013 He probably was and assessed as not being a threat. Unknown, yes, but back then left hand not only didn't tell right hand what it was doing but often didn't know itself. Being a threat or not, that was extremely embarrasing for the great Sovjetunion. They had fighter jets up and wanted to engage but that was denied for some reason. It looks as he helped bring down the entire CCCP. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathias_Rust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsecretresearch Posted May 23, 2013 #204 Share Posted May 23, 2013 TSR, I think you're unaware of something that's pretty much general knowledge here on UM. Bade & I as well as a few others are paid disinformation specialists. It's our job to deny any alien presence or involvement as well as any conspiracy theories that crop up. An alien craft could land on the White House lawn (which did happen although it was toward the rear) and we'd deny its happening. It's what we do and we do it with immense pleasure. We know things you can't possibly imagine and, to be honest, know how much of a giggle your site really is. Nearly every "event" listed was and is part of the wide trail of disinformation created to discredit the UFO community by others who are in the same business. Through this, we created the entire Believer community and count on their antics to keep the reality secret. And guess what. It's working. I see a modern day "the world is still flat" segment of the population. There are too many pilot UFO observations with various type of craft so even though some sighting can be debunked it would aslo make sense that UFOs that are ET space craft would also be observed in the air and that's what pilots are seeing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kludge808 Posted May 23, 2013 #205 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I see a modern day "the world is still flat" segment of the population. There are too many pilot UFO observations with various type of craft so even though some sighting can be debunked it would aslo make sense that UFOs that are ET space craft would also be observed in the air and that's what pilots are seeing. Errr ... I was a pilot and if your avatar means anything, I was doing so before you were born. And, yes, I've seen things in the air I couldn't identify and that ATC or approach control, whichever was handy, couldn't help me with. But I do not make the automatic leap of faith to ET nor do any of the other pilots I've talked to who've also seen things they couldn't identify in the air. During the brief (just light of 20 years) but intense period I was flying, that totaled a fairly good number of pilots. Private, commercial and military alike all leave it as "Unknown." UFO means Unidentified Flying Object. It doesn't mean ET or anything like it. It's simply something seen that cannot be identified. Period. Adding to that, James Olberg (Gad, I hope I spelled that right!) will tell you right off that, by and large, pilots are notoriously bad observers when it comes to something like that. Their first responsibility is to their aircraft so they - we - think in terms of its safety and what possible threat the sighting may present. Nothing I saw that remained unknown presented any sort of threat situation and I was able to assess a bit more closely what I was seeing if there was time but that's not always the case. More often, a pilot has a split second to react as needed to protect his aircraft. That does not make for an ideal situation in terms of observing the phenomenon. Even playing dodgem with a weather balloon, which I had to do once at all too close quarters, doesn't give a pilot a lot of time to Do Something to avoid an unpleasant incident. I had less than a second to put an airplane pretty much on its side to keep the wing from hitting the balloon. (I said many bad words immediately after, mostly directed at whoever released that balloon.) This isn't "The World is Flat" thinking. This is looking at cold hard reality from the left front seat as it happens. From a number of your comments I'm thinking you've never had that experience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted May 23, 2013 #206 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Errr ... I was a pilot and if your avatar means anything, It doesn't. I was doing so before you were born. And given the maturity of his posts, I would daresay long before. And, yes, I've seen things in the air I couldn't identify and that ATC or approach control, whichever was handy, couldn't help me with. But I do not make the automatic leap of faith to ET nor do any of the other pilots I've talked to who've also seen things they couldn't identify in the air. During the brief (just light of 20 years) but intense period I was flying, that totaled a fairly good number of pilots. Private, commercial and military alike all leave it as "Unknown." UFO means Unidentified Flying Object. It doesn't mean ET or anything like it. It's simply something seen that cannot be identified. Period. That's the thing, isn't it? It is rather hard to grasp for some that unidentified means exactly that, unidentified! Adding to that, James Olberg (Gad, I hope I spelled that right!) will tell you right off that, by and large, pilots are notoriously bad observers when it comes to something like that. Their first responsibility is to their aircraft so they - we - think in terms of its safety and what possible threat the sighting may present. Nothing I saw that remained unknown presented any sort of threat situation and I was able to assess a bit more closely what I was seeing if there was time but that's not always the case. More often, a pilot has a split second to react as needed to protect his aircraft. That does not make for an ideal situation in terms of observing the phenomenon. Even playing dodgem with a weather balloon, which I had to do once at all too close quarters, doesn't give a pilot a lot of time to Do Something to avoid an unpleasant incident. I had less than a second to put an airplane pretty much on its side to keep the wing from hitting the balloon. (I said many bad words immediately after, mostly directed at whoever released that balloon.) This isn't "The World is Flat" thinking. This is looking at cold hard reality from the left front seat as it happens. From a number of your comments I'm thinking you've never had that experience. Precisely. Sometimes I do not think that some people really appreciate how short a time frame pilots actually have to observe, assess and react in some situations. Cheers, Badeskov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kludge808 Posted May 23, 2013 #207 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Precisely. Sometimes I do not think that some people really appreciate how short a time frame pilots actually have to observe, assess and react in some situations. Observe. Assess. React. Sometimes in under a second. Or, stated another way, in about the time it takes to say those words out loud. That's not a lot of time by anyone's standards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badeskov Posted May 23, 2013 #208 Share Posted May 23, 2013 Observe. Assess. React. Sometimes in under a second. Or, stated another way, in about the time it takes to say those words out loud. That's not a lot of time by anyone's standards. I must say Kludge that I have the greatest respect for you guys flying those things! Cheers, Badeskov 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kludge808 Posted May 23, 2013 #209 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I must say Kludge that I have the greatest respect for you guys flying those things! Thank you. I greatly appreciate that. I haven't been in the left front seat for going on 40 years but once a pilot, always a pilot. The core instincts are always there including paying close attention to the sky. Where I live I'm in my element - at one airfield under the approach to another. Some of the other vets grumble about the noise but I love it - even when the Air Guard's on approach with the F-15s and F-22s or the AF & reserve are shooting crash 'n dashes here in the C-17s, occasional C-5A and KC-135. (I haven't seen the KC-10 here but it may have slipped past me.) When I go to Hickam's commissary, I sometimes wind up talking with some of the pilots and it's funny how their attitudes change when they learn that I've got T-37 & T-33 time under my belt which gets amped up a notch or two when I mention DC-9 & 737 simulator time. As a side note, the pilots for the C-17s & KC-135s look a darn sight better than they did way back when. All the nicest curves in all the right places and such lovely ... ummm, personalities. :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 23, 2013 #210 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I'm just glad dogs don't fly planes ... they sees things all the time ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kludge808 Posted May 23, 2013 #211 Share Posted May 23, 2013 I'm just glad dogs don't fly planes ... they sees things all the time ... SWIPED! And thanks for the laugh. I've needed one lately. :-) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted May 23, 2013 #212 Share Posted May 23, 2013 SWIPED! And thanks for the laugh. I've needed one lately. :-) careful to never drop the 'S' .... no problem Kludge my man ... ever a pleasure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 27, 2013 #213 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I see a modern day "the world is still flat" segment of the population. There are too many pilot UFO observations with various type of craft so even though some sighting can be debunked it would aslo make sense that UFOs that are ET space craft would also be observed in the air and that's what pilots are seeing. If they are spacecraft, why don't they ever go into space? Not one RADAR report has seen a UFO go into space, they ones they claim to have picked up are terrestrial and on terrestrial courses. If even just one even went into space we would have something to work with but we do not. The only things that has ever come to earth from space that might be alien is the WOW! signal. Shouldn't a spaceship actually fly in space at some point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 27, 2013 #214 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I'm just glad dogs don't fly planes ... they sees things all the time ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kludge808 Posted May 27, 2013 #215 Share Posted May 27, 2013 If they are spacecraft, why don't they ever go into space? Oh, but they do! They go into cloaked stealth mode so they can't be seen. I thought everyone knew that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 27, 2013 #216 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Oh, but they do! They go into cloaked stealth mode so they can't be seen. I thought everyone knew that! Not always. Sometimes big cloaked motherships swoop down and scoop them up. So I have heard anyway. But we spooks are not supposed to let the FTB's now that much. Mate, Bade's already had a word to you, do we need to get the electrified nipple clamps out on your again? You saw what happened to the goat........................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kludge808 Posted May 27, 2013 #217 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Not always. Sometimes big cloaked motherships swoop down and scoop them up. So I have heard anyway. But we spooks are not supposed to let the FTB's now that much. Mate, Bade's already had a word to you, do we need to get the electrified nipple clamps out on your again? You saw what happened to the goat........................... Yeah, the poor bastidge lives here, remember? (Trivia: Does anyone know why the Chief Petty Officer's quarters aboard ship are call the Goat Locker?) Anyway, I got that from an FTB site so I figured I'd go along with the gag. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S2F Posted May 27, 2013 #218 Share Posted May 27, 2013 But we spooks are not supposed to let the FTB's now that much. Mate, Bade's already had a word to you, do we need to get the electrified nipple clamps out on your again? You saw what happened to the goat........................... Careful now, remember what happened last time Kludge got excited? (sorry Kludge, couldn't resist a friendly swipe ) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 27, 2013 #219 Share Posted May 27, 2013 (edited) Yeah, the poor bastidge lives here, remember? (Trivia: Does anyone know why the Chief Petty Officer's quarters aboard ship are call the Goat Locker?) Anyway, I got that from an FTB site so I figured I'd go along with the gag. It's still there? Poor bastage alright. Chief Petty Officer Molumphry, USN is the guy. We all know why his locker is called "The Goat Locker" Careful now, remember what happened last time Kludge got excited? It seems he still has the bloody Goat!! Edited May 27, 2013 by psyche101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kludge808 Posted May 27, 2013 #220 Share Posted May 27, 2013 It's still there? Poor bastage alright. Yep. He's our four-legged lawnmower and general scarer of bad people. I mean who expects a goat around a barracks? Chief Petty Officer Molumphry, USN is the guy. We all know why his locker is called "The Goat Locker" ROFL! Anyway, back in the days of sail, goats were kept on board for milk. The chief petty officers were the ones who tended them and usually their quarters were with the goats ... hence the name "Goat Locker." It seems he still has the bloody Goat!! Well, someone had to take care of him! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted May 27, 2013 #221 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Yep. He's our four-legged lawnmower and general scarer of bad people. I mean who expects a goat around a barracks? ROFL! Anyway, back in the days of sail, goats were kept on board for milk. The chief petty officers were the ones who tended them and usually their quarters were with the goats ... hence the name "Goat Locker." Well, someone had to take care of him! LOL I am just glad he ended up with a good home! I did not know that, I thought the Goat locker was just an Officers Club at Sea (all the Old Goats) Did you recognise the name Chief Petty Officer Molumphry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kludge808 Posted May 27, 2013 #222 Share Posted May 27, 2013 LOL I am just glad he ended up with a good home! Yep ... although I was a bit disappointed I couldn't get the girls to come as well. *sigh* I did not know that, I thought the Goat locker was just an Officers Club at Sea (all the Old Goats) Nah, that's the Ward Room. :-D Did you recognise the name Chief Petty Officer Molumphry? Operation Petticoat. Hmmm ... don't remember the actor's name though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacenut56 Posted May 27, 2013 #223 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I wish I had been on that flight! I have never had the luck of seeing an unidentified flying object....yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaughtr Posted June 13, 2013 #224 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Skeptical people why even speak you blow the post by even speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oppono Astos Posted June 13, 2013 #225 Share Posted June 13, 2013 Skeptical people why even speak you blow the post by even speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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