Bin Laden death photos will NOT be released

[skyeagle409]

From Sky

``On another note, videos are not required to ascertain the series of events that occur durinig an aircraft accident.``

So word of mouth aka media and goverment speak is more trust worthy than pictures and video of an actual event caught on 85 cameras the fbi stole.

Videos are not required by any means because investigators rely mainly on the FDR data, communication tapes and radar data during the course of their investigations into aircraft accidents. Were videos available when Air France 447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean? Of course not, so how was a determination made that the aircraft was Air France 447 in the absence of videos cameras?

Were videos available when Egyptian Air Flight 990 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean? Of course not, so how was a determination made that the aircraft was Egyptian Air Flight 990 in the absence of video evidence?

I see what your doing and it`s limp. Pentagon means cameras and lots of them, why is the fbi aka cia hiding them or strong armed them

You might want to made a distinction between the CIA and the FBI because the CIA was not allowed to conduction operations on U.S. soil. Furthermore, why would the Pentagon post every surveillance camera footage on the Internet? We had lots of cameras at Travis AFB, when aircraft 0253 blew up, yet, we didn't post every surveillance video footage on the Internet. Why post surveillance capabilities on the Internet for your enemies?

[skyeagle409]

You are lieing in favor of goverment and care not for truth. You are a plant

I am a plant? Did American Airlines announce that American 77 crashed into the Pentagon? Let's take a look at the fleet history of American Airlines.

Link #1

http://www.planespotters.net/Airline/American-Airlines

Link #2

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/search.php?manufacturer=Boeing&type=757&fleet=5432&fleetStatus=8

Link #3

http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/757/24602,N644AA-American-Airlines.php

Now, post evidence for what you think is the truth.

[Babe Ruth]

From Sky

``On another note, videos are not required to ascertain the series of events that occur durinig an aircraft accident.``

So word of mouth aka media and goverment speak is more trust worthy than pictures and video of an actual event caught on 85 cameras the fbi stole. I see what your doing and it`s limp. Pentagon means cameras and lots of them, why is the fbi aka cia hiding them or strong armed them

For the same reason they do anything--to keep the citizenry totally brainwashed and ignorant.

[skyeagle409]

Sky I have known you for years and you thought the government was hiding aliens from us. Why the change in trust to your goverment you so hated for hiding aliens. You now trust them with out question. Whats your take on the government hiding aliens these days.

I haven't changed. What I am saying is that there was no way the government could have pulled off the 911 attacks and not get caught.

[Babe Ruth]

Sky I have known you for years and you thought the government was hiding aliens from us. Why the change in trust to your goverment you so hated for hiding aliens. You now trust them with out question. Whats your take on the government hiding aliens these days.

He lives in another reality, is all.

[skyeagle409]

He lives in another reality, is all.

The REAL reality!!

[Orcseeker]

I haven't changed. What I am saying is that there was no way the government could have pulled off the 911 attacks and not get caught.

When you look at it all in its entirety. It seems very well possible to pull off. Especially when you have some of the richest and most powerful people in the world at your side.

9/11 has been surrounded by so much uncertainty and distrust from a lot of American citizens. You say they don't need to release the tapes? Well I think if it could sway the distrust in a lot of the populace then I don't see what is stopping them.

Don't over complicate things. It's a lot more simple to do than you think. Just work out a plan, safeguards, preventative measures, etc and stick to it. It couldn't have taken that long to formulate.

[skyeagle409]

When you look at it all in its entirety. It seems very well possible to pull off. Especially when you have some of the richest and most powerful people in the world at your side.

The government was unable to even keep the Watergate Scandal a secret nor keep secret, the details behind the true mission of the Glomar Explorer. However,the United States had received a number of warnings from countries that Muslim terrorist were planning to use aircraft to attack buildings in America, including the headquarters of the CIA.

The government would not have dared concoct such an attack and there was no way to switch airliners nor modify them to fly under remote control and not get caught and it would have taken me less than 30 minutes to expose a switched or bogus aircraft. It is ridicules to think the airlines would have grounded their aircraft for many months for the sole purpose of illegally modifying them to fly under remote control and do so under the noses of its mechanics and inspectors, but take a look at the altitude flight data and it was very clear the aircraft were not flown under remote control.

No two airplanes are a like and each has its own unique personality, flight and maintenance records. which can be used to identify individual aircraft, however, American Airlines and United Airlines have confirmed the loss of their aircraft during the 911 attacks. My Wing commander was inside the Pentagon when it was struck by American 77 and he went into details as to what happened a few months ago.

WARNINGS THAT THE DANGER WOULD COME FROM THE AIR

BRITAIN, WARNING #1: Al-Qaeda is planning to use aircraft in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs"

the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use "commercial aircraft" in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs." [sunday Times, 6/9/02]

BRITAIN, WARNING #3: An Al-Qaeda attack will involve multiple hijackings

Early August 2001 ©: Britain gives the US another warning about an al-Qaeda attack. The previous British warning (see July 16, 2001) was vague as to method, but this warning specifies multiple airplane hijackings. This warning is included in Bush's briefing on August 6. [sunday Herald, 5/19/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #2: Three al-Qaeda agents are part of a plot "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines"

August 29, 2001: Three men from either Pakistan or Afghanistan living in the Cayman Islands are briefly arrested in June 2001 for discussing hijacking attacks in New York City (see June 4, 2001). On this day, a Cayman Islands radio station receives an unsigned letter claiming these same three men are agents of bin Laden. The anonymous author warns that they "are organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines." The letter is forwarded to a Cayman government official but no action is taken until after 9/11 and it isn't known when the US is informed. Many criminals and/or businesses use the Cayman Islands as a safe, no tax, no questions asked haven to keep their money. The author of the letter meets with the FBI shortly after 9/11, and claims his information was a "premonition of sorts." The three men are later arrested. Its unclear what has happened to them since their arrest. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, MSNBC, 9/23/01] FTW

EGYPT, WARNING #1: An undercover agent learns 20 al-Qaeda agents are in the US, four have received flight training

Late July 2001 (D): CBS later has a brief mention in a long story on another topic: "Just days after Atta return to the US from Spain, Egyptian intelligence in Cairo says it received a report from one of its operatives in Afghanistan that 20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas. To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn't sound terribly alarming, but they [pass] on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. The request never [comes]." [CBS, 10/9/02] This appears to be one of several accurate Egyptian warnings based on informants (see June 13, 2001 and August 30, 2001). Could Egypt have known the names of some or all of the hijackers? Given FBI agent Ken Williams' memo about flight schools a short time before (see July 10, 2001), shouldn't the US have investigated this closely instead of completely ignoring it?

GERMANY: Terrorists will use airplanes as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols"

June 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA, Britain's MI6, and Israel's Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols, which stand out." A later article quotes unnamed German intelligence sources who state the information was coming from Echelon surveillance technology, and that British intelligence had access to the same warnings. However, there were other informational sources, including specific information and hints given to, but not reported by, Western and Near Eastern news media six months before 9/11. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01, Fox News, 5/17/02] FTW

ITALY: Muslims warn of an attack on the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons

September 7, 2001: Father Jean-Marie Benjamin is told at a wedding in Todi, Italy of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He isn't told time or place specifics. He immediately passes what he knows to a judge and several politicians. He states: "Although I am friendly with many Muslims, I wondered why they were telling me, specifically. I felt it my duty to inform the Italian government." Benjamin has been called "one of the West's most knowledgeable experts on the Muslim world." Two days after 9/11, he meets with the Italian Foreign Minister on this topic. He says he learned the attack on Britain failed at the last minute. [Zenit, 9/16/01] He has not revealed who told him this information, but could it have been a member of the al-Qaeda cell in Milan (see August 12, 2000 and January 24, 2001), which appears to have helped with the 9/11 attacks?

JORDAN: A major attack using aircraft is planned inside the US

Late summer 2001: Jordanian intelligence (the GID) makes a communications intercept deemed so important that King Abdullah's men relay it to Washington, probably through the CIA station in Amman. To make doubly sure the message gets through it is passed through an Arab intermediary to a German intelligence agent. The message states that a major attack, code named The Big Wedding, is planned inside the US and that aircraft will be used. "When it became clear that the information was embarrassing to Bush Administration officials and congressmen who at first denied that there had been any such warnings before September 11, senior Jordanian officials backed away from their earlier confirmations." Christian Science Monitor calls the story "confidently authenticated" even though Jordan has backed away from it. [international Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02] FTW

RUSSIA: Russian intelligence clearly warns the US several times that 25 or so terrorists, including suicide pilots, will attack the US, targeting "important buildings like the Pentagon"

August 2001 (D): Russian President Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later states, "We had clearly warned them" on several occasions, but they "did not pay the necessary attention." [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001 claims that "Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks. More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened." Interestingly, the article claims that at least two of the terrorists were Muslim radicals from Uzbekistan. [izvestia, 9/12/01, (the story currently on the Izvestia web site has been edited to delete a key paragraph, the link is to a translation of the original article from From the Wilderness)] FTW

OTHER WARNINGS

AFGHANISTAN: Al-Qaeda is planning an imminent "huge attack" inside the US that will kill thousands

ARGENTINA: A major terrorist attack is planned against either the US, Argentina, or France

Late July 2001 ©: Argentina's Jewish community receives warnings of a major terrorist attack against either the United States, Argentina or France from "a foreign intelligence source." The warning was then relayed to the Argentine security authorities. It was agreed to keep the warning secret in order to avoid panic while reinforcing security at Jewish sites in the country. Says a Jewish leader, "It was a concrete warning that an attack of major proportion would take place, and it came from a reliable intelligence source. And I understand the Americans were told about it." Argentina has a large Jewish community that has been bombed in the past, and has been an area of al-Qaeda activity. [Forward, 5/31/02]

BRITAIN, WARNING #2: Al-Qaeda is the "final stages" of a very serious attack on a Western country

July 16, 2001: British spy agencies send a report to British Prime Minister Tony Blair and other top officials warning that al-Qaeda is in "the final stages" of preparing a terrorist attack in the West. The prediction is "based on intelligence gleaned not just from MI6 and GCHQ but also from US agencies, including the CIA and the National Security Agency," which cooperate with the British. "The contents of the July 16 warning would have been passed to the Americans, Whitehall sources confirmed." The report states there is "an acute awareness" that the attack is "a very serious threat." [London Times, 6/14/02] This information could be from or in addition to a warning based on surveillance of al-Qaeda prisoner Khalid al-Fawwaz (see August 21, 2001). [Fox News, 5/17/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #1:

June 4, 2001: At some point in 2000, three men claiming to be Afghans but using Pakistani passports enter the Cayman Islands, possibly illegally. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01] In late 2000, Cayman and British investigators begin a yearlong probe of these men which lasts until 9/11. [Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01] They are overheard discussing hijacking attacks in New York City. On this day, they are taken into custody, questioned and released some time later. This information is forwarded to US intelligence. [Fox News, 5/17/02] In late August, a letter to a Cayman radio station will allege these same men are agents of bin Laden "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines" (see August 29, 2001).

EGYPT, WARNING #2: Al-Qaeda is in the advanced stages of a "significant operation" probably within the US

August 30-September 4, 2001: According to Egyptian President Hasni Mubarak, Egyptian intelligence warns American officials that bin Laden's network is in the advanced stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, probably within the US. [AP, 12/7/01, New York Times, 6/4/02] He says he learned this information from an agent working inside al-Qaeda. US officials deny receiving any such warning from Egypt. [ABC News, 6/4/02]

FRANCE: An echo of Israel's warning of a major assault on the US

Late August 2001 (D): French intelligence gives a general terrorist warning to the US; apparently its contents echo an Israeli warning from earlier in the month (see Mid-August 2001). [Fox News, 5/17/02]

INDIA: Missed opportunity with White House attack warning

India gives the US general intelligence on possible terror attacks; details are not known. US government officials later confirm that Indian intelligence had information "that two Islamist radicals with ties to Osama bin Laden were discussing an attack on the White House," but apparently this particular information is not given to the US until two days after 9/11. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

ISRAEL, WARNING #1: 50 to 200 al-Qaeda terrorists are inside the US and planning an imminent "major assault on the US" aimed at a "large scale target"

August 8-15, 2001: At some point between these dates, Israel warns the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent. [Fox News, 5/17/02] Two high ranking agents from the Mossad come to Washington and warn the FBI and CIA that from 50 to 200 terrorists have slipped into the US and are planning "a major assault on the United States." They say indications point to a "large scale target", and that Americans would be "very vulnerable." They add there could be Iraqi connections to the al-Qaeda attack. [Telegraph, 9/16/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01] The Los Angeles Times later retracts the story after a CIA spokesman says, "There was no such warning. Allegations that there was are complete and utter nonsense." [Los Angeles Times, 9/21/01] In light of later revelations of a Mossad spy ring trailing numerous Muslim terrorists in the US, it is easy to see that Mossad would have known this info. Could this be later disinformation by the Mossad to spin the spy ring story and blame Iraq for 9/11, or it is another smoking gun showing extensive US foreknowledge?

ISRAEL, WARNING #2: Israel gives the US a list of 19 terrorists inside the US planning an imminent attack, the list names at least four of the hijackers, including Mohamed Atta

August 23, 2001: According to German newspapers, the Mossad gives the CIA a list of terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the 19 9/11 hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, four names on the list are known and are names of the 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [Die Zeit, 10/1/02, Der Spiegel, 10/1/02, BBC, 10/2/02, Haaretz, 10/3/02] The Mossad appears to have learned about this through its "art student" spy ring (see for instance, March 5, 2002). Yet apparently this warning and list are not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and also not passed on to the FBI. It's not clear if this warning influenced the adding of Alhazmi and Almihdhar to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. [Der Spiegel, 10/1/02] Israel has denied that there were any Mossad agents in the US. [Haaretz, 10/3/02] The US has denied knowing about Atta before 9/11, despite other media reports to the contrary (see January-May 2000).

MOROCCO: Al-Qaeda is planning large scale operations in New York City in the fall of 2001, possibly targeting the World Trade Center

August 2001 ©: The French magazine Maximale and the Moroccan newspaper al-Ittihad al-Ichtiraki later simultaneously report that a Moroccan agent named Hassan Dabou had penetrated al-Qaeda to the point of getting close to bin Laden by this time. Dabou claims he learns that bin Laden is "very disappointed" that the 1993 bombing had not toppled the WTC, and plans "large scale operations in New York in the summer or fall of 2001." Dabou is called to the US to report this information directly, and in so doing blows his cover, losing his ability to gather more intelligence. The International Herald Tribune later calls the story "not proved beyond a doubt" but intriguing, and asks the CIA to confirm or deny, which it has not done. [Agence France Presse, 11/22/01, International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, London Times, 6/12/02] FTW

9/11 has been surrounded by so much uncertainty and distrust from a lot of American citizens. You say they don't need to release the tapes? Well I think if it could sway the distrust in a lot of the populace then I don't see what is stopping them.

No video tapes are required because radar data, communication tapes and FDR data can provide reliable evidence, and remember, the majority of aircraft accident investigations do not have the availability of videos. We have videos of American 11, American 77, and United 175 and I still read comments that no aircraft were involved in the 911 attacks.

Don't over complicate things. It's a lot more simple to do than you think. Just work out a plan, safeguards, preventative measures, etc and stick to it. It couldn't have taken that long to formulate.

It is really simple than anyone thinks. I have flown as a pilot since 1969 and have worked for the government since 1967, so I know the government was incapable of concocting the 911 attacks and not get caught. Much of what I have read on those 911 conspiracy web sites are simply untrue and not indicative of the way we do things in the real world of aviation, yet they managed to dupe the unknowing into thinking that is the way things are done when it fact, they are spewing disinformation, misinformation, and in the case of 'Pilots for 911 Truth,' outright lies.

The Bojinka Plot

he Bojinka plot was a planned large-scale three phase Islamist attack by Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. The attack would involve a plot to assassinate Pope John Paul II, an air bombing of 11airliners and their approximately 4,000 passengers that would have flown from Asia to the United States, and Murad's proposal to crash a plane into the CIA's headquarters in Fairfax County, Virginia, in addition to the plan to bomb multiple aeroplanes.

Airports planned to be targeted

Asia

• Hong Kong (Kai Tak) International Airport, Hong Kong
  
• New Tokyo International Airport, Narita, Chiba Prefecture, Japan, near Tokyo
  
• Ninoy Aquino International Airport, Pasay City/Parañaque City, National Capital Region, Philippines, near Manila
  
• Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport, Taoyuan, near Taipei, Taiwan
  
• Singapore Changi Airport, Singapore
  
• Gimpo International Airport, Gimpo, South Korea (Now a part of Seoul)
  
• Bangkok (Don Mueang) International Airport, Bangkok, Thailand
  

United States

• Honolulu International Airport, Honolulu, Hawaii
  
• John F. Kennedy International Airport, New York City, New York
  
• Los Angeles International Airport, Los Angeles
  
• Chicago O'Hare International Airport, Chicago, Illinois
  
• San Francisco International Airport, San Francisco
  

Phase III, CIA plane crash plot

Abdul Hakim Murad confessed detailed Phase III in his interrogation by the Manila police after his capture.

Phase three would have involved Murad either renting, buying, or hijacking a small airplane, preferably a Cessna. The airplane would be filled with explosives. He would then crash it into the Central Intelligence Agencyheadquarters in the Langley area in Fairfax County, Virginia. Murad had been trained as a pilot in North Carolina, and was slated to be a suicide pilot.

There were alternate plans to hijack a 12th commercial airliner and use that instead of the small aircraft, probably due to the Manila cell's growing frustration with explosives. Testing explosives in a house or apartment is dangerous, and it can easily give away a terrorist plot. Khalid Sheik Mohammed probably made the alternate plan.

A report from the Philippines to the United States on January 20, 1995 stated, "What the subject has in his mind is that he will board any American commercial aircraft pretending to be an ordinary passenger. Then he will hijack said aircraft, control its cockpit and dive it at the CIA headquarters."

Another plot that was considered would have involved the hijacking of more airplanes. The World Trade Center (New York City, New York), The Pentagon (Arlington, Virginia), the United States Capitol (Washington, D.C.), theWhite House(Washington, D.C.), the Sears Tower (Chicago, Illinois), and the U.S Bank Tower (Los Angeles, California), would have been the likely targets. Abdul Hakim Murad said that this part of the plot was dropped since the Manila cell could not recruit enough people to implement other hijackings in his confession with Filipino investigators, prior to the foiling of Operation Bojinka.

This plot eventually would be the base plot for the September 11, 2001 attacks which involved hijacking commercial airliners as opposed to small aircraft loaded with explosives and crashing them into their intended targets. However, only the World Trade Center (which was destroyed) and The Pentagon (which suffered partial damage) were hit.

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Bojinka_plot

It was no secret that terrorist planned to use aircraft in other attacks as well.

Air France Flight 8969

Air France Flight 8969 was an Air France flight that was hijacked on 24 December 1994 by the Armed Islamic Group (GIA) at Algiers, where they killed three passengers, with the intention to blow up the plane over the Eiffel Tower in Paris.

When the aircraft reached Marseille, the GIGN, an intervention group of the French National Gendarmerie, stormed the plane and killed all four hijackers. The GIA's plan appeared to foreshadow the September 11 attacks. Thomas Sancton of TIME magazine described the event as "one of the most successful anti-terrorist operations in history.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...ror_three.shtml

9/11: THREATS ABOUT AIRPLANES AS WEAPONS PRIOR TO 9/11

• Algerian terrorists who in 1994 tried to fly an Air France plane into the Eiffel Tower;
  

• Project Bojinka in 1995 to blow up 11 planes simultaneously and crash a twelfth into CIA headquarters and thirteenth into the Pentagon;
  

• An August 2001 plot to fly a plane into a US embassy in Nairobi or bomb it from a plane
  
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Taking all of that into consideration, if photos of bin Laden were released, there would always be those who would say that the body was not Osama bin Laden. After all, we have videos of airliners crashing into buildings and yet, some continue to claim that missiles, not aircraft, were used in the 911 attacks.

Edited June 9, 2013 by skyeagle409

[Orcseeker]

I stopped reading the first part as soon as the word government was mentioned. Sky, this is bigger than the government.

I don't deny planes hit the towers. But I don't see why the authorities refuse to release the tapes. Why should they care if it is so clear cut.

There will always be someone who will say that. But if there is nothing to hide on the matter of pictures of him dead, then what's the problem? For being such a hated human being. Having his body cast out in the Arabian sea 1,500km away from the location I find baffling.

[skyeagle409]

I stopped reading the first part as soon as the word government was mentioned. Sky, this is bigger than the government.

It has long been revealed that Muslim terrorist, not the U.S. government, had plans to attack America with aircraft.

We didn't invade anyone when the USS Cole was attacked. We didn't invade anyone when our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked. We didn't invade anyone when Pan Am 103 was bombed out of the sky, so there was no benefit to anyone in the United States to concoct such an operation.

I don't deny planes hit the towers. But I don't see why the authorities refuse to release the tapes. Why should they care if it is so clear cut.

There will always be someone who will say that. But if there is nothing to hide on the matter of pictures of him dead, then what's the problem? For being such a hated human being. Having his body cast out in the Arabian sea 1,500km away from the location I find baffling.

I am sure that eventually, photos will be released but considering the type of weapons used by special forces, I don't think that much of Osama bin Laden's head remained intact.

[Orcseeker]

It has long been revealed that Muslim terrorist, not the U.S. government, had plans to attack America with aircraft.

We didn't invade anyone when the USS Cole was attacked. We didn't invade anyone when our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were attacked. We didn't invade anyone when Pan Am 103 was bombed out of the sky, so there was no benefit to anyone in the United States to concoct such an operation.

They're allowed to dream aren't they? I'm sure many people have planned many things without actually undergoing them.

No one was attacked there because there was no benefit to anyone. Benghazi received no help and US citizens and members of the armed forced died after requesting help. Because there was no benefit.

Why would there be no benefit to anyone for conducting such an operation?

I am sure that eventually, photos will be released but considering the type of weapons used by special forces, I don't think that much of Osama bin Laden's head remained intact.

Well there was enough of him left to conduct a proper burial (for an enemy of the country that has apparently been responsible for killing thousands and greatly hated).

[Babe Ruth]

When you look at it all in its entirety. It seems very well possible to pull off. Especially when you have some of the richest and most powerful people in the world at your side.

9/11 has been surrounded by so much uncertainty and distrust from a lot of American citizens. You say they don't need to release the tapes? Well I think if it could sway the distrust in a lot of the populace then I don't see what is stopping them.

Don't over complicate things. It's a lot more simple to do than you think. Just work out a plan, safeguards, preventative measures, etc and stick to it. It couldn't have taken that long to formulate.

Sky's claim that the government has not been caught is actually not an accurate statement.

The government HAS BEEN caught, at least in the coverup, and very much caught in the crime itself. That's why Sky spends so much time putting out fires here.

He knows, and anybody honest and curious knows, that the Pentagon was right smack dab in the middle of the events of the day. Fake FDRs offered by the government, no Boeings at Shanksville or Pentagon. Heck, Wally Miller's statement to the media "caught" the government within 15 minutes of the event.

Detail after detail "catches" the government.

[skyeagle409]

Sky's claim that the government has not been caught is actually not an accurate statement.

Actually, it is right on the money and you know it.

The government HAS BEEN caught, at least in the coverup, and very much caught in the crime itself. That's why Sky spends so much time putting out fires here.

What does that have to do with the 911 attacks. It has already been proven that the 911 attacks were conducted by al-Qaeda, which bin Laden has admitted.

Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

http://www.pbs.org/n...n_10-29-04.html

He knows, and anybody honest and curious knows, that the Pentagon was right smack dab in the middle of the events of the day. Fake FDRs offered by the government,...

Faked FDR? Apparently, you forgot that American Airlines and the Boeing Aircraft Company were the companies that supplied the conversion formulas for the FDR of American 77 and look what you wrote! So once again, you got caught spewing false tales.

no Boeings at Shanksville...

Let's take another look. Message from United Airlines.

United Airlines Statement on Plane Crashes

United Airlines has now confirmed that two of its aircraft have crashed.

— UA 93, a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed from Newark, N.J. at 8:01 a.m. local time, bound for San Francisco, with 38 passengers on board, two pilots, five flight attendants.

http://www.washingto..._text091101.htm

The Shanksville crash site.

or Pentagon.

Wreckage of American 77 at the Pentagon.

Now, what was that you were saying when you said, no aircraft crashed at the Pentagon and near Shanksville?

Edited June 9, 2013 by skyeagle409

[skyeagle409]

They're allowed to dream aren't they? I'm sure many people have planned many things without actually undergoing them.

Dreaming is one thing, but carrying out that dream is quite another.

No one was attacked there because there was no benefit to anyone.

In the case of the 911 attacks, bin Laden declared war on the United States and al-Qaeda carried out its attack on America, which had nothing to do with involvement of the U.S. government.

Benghazi received no help and US citizens and members of the armed forced died after requesting help. Because there was no benefit.

Why would there be no benefit to anyone for conducting such an operation?

Well, let's look at it this way, al-Qaeda thought the 911 attack would benefit them, but as a result of their terrorist attack on America, they paid a heavy price and as a result, al-Qaeda has lost most of its senior leadership, including its head, Osama bin Laden, while many others are sitting in our prisons.

Well there was enough of him left to conduct a proper burial (for an enemy of the country that has apparently been responsible for killing thousands and greatly hated).

Why would we bury Osama bin Laden on land? We spent a lot of money to provide him with a special burial, and did so using an aircraft carrier and we even provided the whole Mediterranean Sea as his burial plot.

[DONTEATUS]

Uncle Sam isnt hiding the Aliens !

Uncle Under-da-Covers is doing that ! And you do not want to meet Uncle Under-da-covers ! ITs the Last thing you would remember !

[skyeagle409]

Uncle Sam isnt hiding the Aliens !

Uncle Under-da-Covers is doing that ! And you do not want to meet Uncle Under-da-covers ! ITs the Last thing you would remember !

Babe Ruth got caught spewing false tales again! He just doesn't seem to get it that people have already figured him out.

[skyeagle409]

Sky's claim that the government has not been caught is actually not an accurate statement.The government HAS BEEN caught, at least in the coverup, and very much caught in the crime itself. That's why Sky spends so much time putting out fires here.

Fires started by matches of disinformation, misinformation, and outright lies from 911 conspiracist.

This is reality!

Heck, Wally Miller's statement to the media "caught" the government within 15 minutes of the event.

Seems you forgot to tell everyone that Wally Miller has attacked 911 conspiracist for distorting his comments and it is all right here on video during the interview with Wally Miller.

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Edited June 10, 2013 by skyeagle409

[Orcseeker]

Dreaming is one thing, but carrying out that dream is quite another.

In the case of the 911 attacks, bin Laden declared war on the United States and al-Qaeda carried out its attack on America, which had nothing to do with involvement of the U.S. government.

Al Qaeda. A product of America in order to slow the progress of the Russians into the middle east.

Bin Laden. A member of a Saudi Arabian wealthy family which was in the oil business and friends with the Bush family. Even considered America friends for helping out against Russia.

Well, let's look at it this way, al-Qaeda thought the 911 attack would benefit them, but as a result of their terrorist attack on America, they paid a heavy price and as a result, al-Qaeda has lost most of its senior leadership, including its head, Osama bin Laden, while many others are sitting in our prisons.

It encouraged advancement in Afghanistan and most importantly Iraq. Iraq would not have happened if there was no Bin Laden. Funnily enough. The primary reason the US was even only there only saw a small percentage of troops while the real agenda reveals the bulk of the troops.

Why would we bury Osama bin Laden on land? We spent a lot of money to provide him with a special burial, and did so using an aircraft carrier and we even provided the whole Mediterranean Sea as his burial plot.

Why would you offer a burial for Osama Bin Laden at all? Given what he has apparently been responsible for.

[skyeagle409]

Al Qaeda. A product of America in order to slow the progress of the Russians into the middle east.

You must remember that the CIA supported only the Afghan Mujahideen, not the Afghan Arabs, which were two different groups.

Bin Laden. A member of a Saudi Arabian wealthy family which was in the oil business and friends with the Bush family. Even considered America friends for helping out against Russia.

But again, the CIA was supporting the Afghan Mujahideen, not the Afghan Arabs. "Many Afghan Arabs returned to their home countries to wage jihad against their governments. Their name notwithstanding, none were Afghans and some were not Arabs, but Turkic, Malay or from some other Muslim non-Arab ethnicity. The most famous among their ranks was Osama bin Laden."

It encouraged advancement in Afghanistan and most importantly Iraq. Iraq would not have happened if there was no Bin Laden.

We didn't want to wage war in Afghanistan. Remember, we didn't invade Afghanistan after our embassies were bombed in Kenya and in Tanzania. We lobed cruise missiles into Afghanistan, but the United States did not invade Afghanistan. We warned the government in Afghanistan to turn over Osama bin Laden or else, however, the Afghan government refused and the rest is now history.

Facilitators of jihad in Pakistan, Europe and Sudan were the backbone of the emerging al-Qaeda global network and the key to its high-profile operations, not the United States.

Why would you offer a burial for Osama Bin Laden at all? Given what he has apparently been responsible for.

Even supporters would have criticized American if we did not do so. Burying bin Laden at sea was the best option because terrorist can pay their respects to bin Laden at the beach rather than around a central burial plot.

Edited June 10, 2013 by skyeagle409

[skyeagle409]

Sky's claim that the government has not been caught is actually not an accurate statement.

Well, I have waited for your so-called evidence and as of today, you have failed to deliver. CNN and other news services around the world haven't seen it either.

He knows, and anybody honest and curious knows, that the Pentagon was right smack dab in the middle of the events of the day.

Would you care to tell us how many anti-terrorist exercises were conducted between October 2000 and October 2001?

[Orcseeker]

You must remember that the CIA supported only the Afghan Mujahideen, not the Afghan Arabs, which were two different groups.

I have always understood that although the Mujahideen were funded. That Osama Bin Laden was as well. By the intelligence agencies of the US, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to fight the Soviets. So Osama Bin Laden being the apparent leader of al-Qaeda. Then would that not be considered funding al-Qaeda?

But again, the CIA was supporting the Afghan Mujahideen, not the Afghan Arabs. "Many Afghan Arabs returned to their home countries to wage jihad against their governments. Their name notwithstanding, none were Afghans and some were not Arabs, but Turkic, Malay or from some other Muslim non-Arab ethnicity. The most famous among their ranks was Osama bin Laden."

What I was saying in my statement is. A man who considered the US a "friend", a member of a wealthy Saudi family friends with the very same family of the US president in office at the time (Bush). Would then go and do what he did? Seems absurd to me.

We didn't want to wage war in Afghanistan. Remember, we didn't invade Afghanistan after our embassies were bombed in Kenya and in Tanzania. We lobed cruise missiles into Afghanistan, but the United States did not invade Afghanistan. We warned the government in Afghanistan to turn over Osama bin Laden or else, however, the Afghan government refused and the rest is now history.

Facilitators of jihad in Pakistan, Europe and Sudan were the backbone of the emerging al-Qaeda global network and the key to its high-profile operations, not the United States.

You could mirror these events with Benghazi.

And precisely not. As I stated Iraq with the bulk of our troops was clearly the actual target. Saddam was ironically once on friendly terms with Bush's father.

Even supporters would have criticized American if we did not do so. Burying bin Laden at sea was the best option because terrorist can pay their respects to bin Laden at the beach rather than around a central burial plot.

Fair enough, although that doesn't make complete sense, fair enough.

[skyeagle409]

I have always understood that although the Mujahideen were funded. That Osama Bin Laden was as well. By the intelligence agencies of the US, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan to fight the Soviets. So Osama Bin Laden being the apparent leader of al-Qaeda. Then would that not be considered funding al-Qaeda?

The CIA did not support bin Laden and his group and it was no secret they were anti-American. In Afghanistan, bin Laden and al-Qaeda raised money from "donors from the days of the Soviet jihad", and from the Pakistani ISI to establish more training camps for Mujahideen fighters. Peter Bergen summed it up nicely.

According to Peter Bergen of CNN the story

That the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden—is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.

According to Pakistani Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, who ran ISI's Afghan operation between 1983 and 1987, "No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen."

What I was saying in my statement is. A man who considered the US a "friend", a member of a wealthy Saudi family friends with the very same family of the US president in office at the time (Bush). Would then go and do what he did? Seems absurd to me.

As Vincent Cannistraro, who led the Reagan administration's Afghan Working Group from 1985 to 1987, puts it, "The CIA was very reluctant to be involved at all." He went on to say that the CIA had nothing to do with Osama bin Laden.

You could mirror these events with Benghazi.

And precisely not. As I stated Iraq with the bulk of our troops was clearly the actual target. Saddam was ironically once on friendly terms with Bush's father.

Saddam stepped over the line in the sand and infuriated President Bush. The United States did not want to become involve in the Gulf War, but Saddam pushed his luck too far. We even conducted naval exercises in the Persian Gulf as a warning for Saddam to back off in the Gulf.

Not many people are aware of the threat that Saddam threw at his Gulf neighbors. He told Gulf States to forgive Iraq's war debts, or else, but it was no real secret that Saddam had further plans to invade his Gulf neighbors, not only Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, but other Gulf States as well. There is much more to the story of the first Gulf War the public is largely unaware of. Even though we supplied certain aid to Iraq to during the Iran/Iraqi war, the United States still didn't trust Saddam after the Iran/Iraq war ended.

On another note, since 2003, troops found several hundred chemical weapons and a WMD lab at Fallujah despite the claim that no WMD was found during Gulf War round 2.

Edited June 11, 2013 by skyeagle409

[DONTEATUS]

OMG,on the WMD, in The U.S.A is All I can say !MAYBE we need a Look into the box of Capt,Crunch spill a few out on the table and see what it tells us?

Tin Foil Hats optional !

[psyche101]

Wouldn't give to much about that interview, he said in the same interview he didn't have any involvement in 9/11 and wouldn't do something like that.

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I guess it depends on how you read it. He was not directly involved as a participant, and probably would not kill himself like he orderred so many to do, yet he did answer the question quite alive, and by all reports, not hooked up to any dialysis machine. I can see why he would not so much lie, but perhaps mitigate the 911 responsibility, what would be the point in lying about his own kidneys?

Not to mention that there is only one presumably well-informed source who has gone on the record to say that bin Laden was on dialysis: Pakistani Prime Minister Pervez Musharraf. And he later changed his mind. So now the story remains with CT'ers alone. Nobody else has it.

[psyche101]

Sky

You fail to understand the role of common sense in the lives of many people. Clearly you do not use common sense in reaching conclusions based upon facts, but many people do, including Regen.

The role? You cannot grasp the definition!! You have never supported any of your wild statements just like your all knowing CT friend "Regen" who is a dab hand at resorting to name calling despite her ohh so innocent BS proclamation to the contrary!

Did you use common sense when you lied your backside of about Wally Miller? Did you use common sense when telling us all about the mythical mathematical equations at Gavrinis? No, you made up some mathematicians and pretended they existed. And you have the gall to say Sky is not using common sense and that he is misleading? With his many links, photo's reports and professional assessments, how is his copious information misleading? You are the KING of misleading and made up information, and Regen is the queen! Neither of you CAN offer a link to the BS you spout because you make 90% of it up in the spot. Who do you think you pair are kidding? Thank goodness for real people like Sky Eagle that have their feet on the ground, unlike your pair with your heads in the clouds.

I am sure you can find a better place to spend your advice. As a vet, I am sure Sky gets along just fine without you leading him along, or trying to anyway. If you have something to say, how about considering taking a page from Sky's book, and keeping the emotion out of the equation, sticking to technical details, and supporting your claims with evidence? It would not only validate your rather hard to believe claims, but it's just the right thing to do.

But hey, that would probably kill 100% of your posting showing such courtesy to other posters wouldn't it? Pull your bloody head in and and have something of substance to debate Sky with, if you have anything other than a soapbox.

Neither of you KNOW OBL was dead a decade ago, that is just yet another BS hogwash bottom burp.