Frank Merton Posted September 17, 2013 #51 Share Posted September 17, 2013 It's natural and probably inevitable in any federal arrangement that power will gravitate to the center. Whenever one of the states does something stupid or crass or harmful, the pressure for the center to step in and fix it is huge, as a united country cannot allow peripheral garbage -- but it ends up with local governments having nothing to do but enforce central mandates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CyberKen Posted September 17, 2013 #52 Share Posted September 17, 2013 that's not what he said. That is what he means. If you are against Big Government, then you are an anarchist. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted September 17, 2013 #53 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Ken, don't even bother. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah65 Posted September 17, 2013 #54 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Ken...I don't agree with you 100% of the time...I think you are too off to one side....however....arguing with Ninjadude is like trying to p!ss up a rope....it doesn't work. He is a liberal and progressive fanboy and will sell your grandma to the glue factory if he can.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 17, 2013 #55 Share Posted September 17, 2013 USA and Anarchism are like heaven and earth. One of the greatest philosophical and sociological thoughts and themes to study is anarchy. I adore it. People confuse anarchy with chaos. Which is not same. Im lawfull person but Im for anarchy. Big Bad Voodoo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted September 17, 2013 #56 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) USA and Anarchism are like heaven and earth. One of the greatest philosophical and sociological thoughts and themes to study is anarchy. I adore it. People confuse anarchy with chaos. Which is not same. Im lawfull person but Im for anarchy. Big Bad Voodoo Rousseau has a very interesting theory about that. He says that once people have freedom, they all gravitate toward the same ideas and things. Link: http://en.wikipedia....acques_Rousseau This documentary talks about this: Link: http://m.youtube.com...h?v=knDe_EZSxTw Meant to ask, do you listen Adam Kokesh? I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff, but he does make Some good points at times. Guys got balls, I must say.... Edited September 17, 2013 by Burt Gummer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremiah65 Posted September 17, 2013 #57 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Anarchy gets a bad rap....it has for ages....they don't want people to even think of self governance.....we would learn very quickly that we do not need the Neo gestapo.... Born within all men is the knowledge of right and wrong....I choose to not use "good and evil" here....we used to think wolves were evil because they killed and ate people...they were not evil...they were wolves.... right and wrong is a different equation....we know that hurting one person so that another might rise is wrong....but we sit back and watch it happen all the time....we watch abominable things happening in Africa and yet we do nothing....but let someone threaten the plans of the Oil sheiks....OMG....we must fight right now..... I think I am reaching those that know what I am talking about and there are some that I have just flat given up on...I do not expect to ever reach them...they don't "get it" and never will....they live in a land of fairies and rainbows and refuse to see the diabolical constructs of the people they elected.... Edited September 17, 2013 by Jeremiah65 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayno Posted September 17, 2013 #58 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Ken...I don't agree with you 100% of the time...I think you are too off to one side....however....arguing with Ninjadude is like trying to p!ss up a rope....it doesn't work. He is a liberal and progressive fanboy and will sell your grandma to the glue factory if he can.... In his defense he has made good points at times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted September 17, 2013 Author #59 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Rousseau has a very interesting theory about that. He says that once people have freedom, they all gravitate toward the same ideas and things. Link: http://en.wikipedia....acques_Rousseau This documentary talks about this: Link: http://m.youtube.com...h?v=knDe_EZSxTw Meant to ask, do you listen Adam Kokesh? I don't agree with him on a lot of stuff, but he does make Some good points at times. Guys got balls, I must say.... Free Adam!! . They shouldn't have him locked away right now. Edit: About ninjadude, Im fine when he actually give logic and reason for his view, its when he does ignorant dumb stuff like call people racist for not liking Obama that I loose faith in him. Edited September 17, 2013 by spartan max2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayno Posted September 17, 2013 #60 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Free Adam!! . They shouldn't have him locked away right now. Edit: About ninjadude, Im fine when he actually give logic and reason for his view, its when he does ignorant dumb stuff like call people racist for not liking Obama that I loose faith in him. I'm not assuming he is being sarcastic, but it's always good to be aware that he might be lampooning popular views through sarcasm. It's simply hard to tell on the internet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted September 17, 2013 #61 Share Posted September 17, 2013 Free Adam!! . They shouldn't have him locked away right now. Edit: About ninjadude, Im fine when he actually give logic and reason for his view, its when he does ignorant dumb stuff like call people racist for not liking Obama that I loose faith in him. They should free Adam. Like I said guy has balls.... About ninja-- He does make good points at times. But, sometimes he can really be a dill weed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayno Posted September 17, 2013 #62 Share Posted September 17, 2013 I'm sure Kokesh has Reid thinking he's an obstructionist or Anarchist. Although, ninjadude was correct in pointing out the proper definition of an Anarchist. Reid misapplied this definition in trying to highlight the Libertarian-leaning members of the Republican party. Considering Anarchists believe in political nihilism, I would say Reid is wrong once again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 18, 2013 #63 Share Posted September 18, 2013 (edited) Gummer I never heard of Kokesh before. I will look for him. Rousseau argue about it as I heard before but I didnt read nothing from him. So I cant tell. In 1936 in Barcelona city was run by workers. Police was common people. Then they fought with communists for telephone building and later goverment disarm anarchists but not communists. Anarchists in Catalonia fight Hitler, Musolini, Franco and Stalinists. Same as we havd had fight between Anarchists and Communists in Russia 1917. What is interesting that Catalonia under Anarchists prosper. It was economic boom which Economists study till today. Anarchist in south and Catalonia become organized. Agriculture communes. They called for abolishment of money, vegetariansim, nudism, free love.It isnt just rural. Catalonia was industrial center. Anarchist proove that they can run stuff which everybody thought they cant. In war time they increased production. Some say that Anarchism in Catalonia was biggest social experiment ever made. Anarcho Syndicalism counted 1,5 million members. Anarchy is against parties, organized religions, goverment against any autorithy. Its for individualism, self discipline and simplicity. People are wrong when link chaos and Godless with anarchy. St Paul said in Romans 13:1: “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.“ But anarchy isnt Godless. St.Augustine said: "Love and do what you will." Word anarchia comes from Greek „an“ which means „not“ and „arkhos“ which means „ruler“. We dont need stronger leader to bring best from us. Anyone who oppose orthodox is anarchist. Which is not true. State is recent invention. People live without state for 100 000 years. Goverment exploit us and took us what is realy valubale. Natural freedom. Why we have borders? I like to explore Daoism. In 6th century Taoist philosopher Lao Tzu spoke about „non rule“. As result many Taoists lived as anarchists. Daoism spoke about decentrelized society in harmony with nature. More rules and regulations there are poor people becoming. More rules society become more complex. Harder to keep up. Today you would have lawyer to walk with you to explain you your rights. Law isnt written that common people understand it. But educated in law. Buddhists also believe in self discipline to get freedom. Zeno of Citum in 3rd century BC spoke about anarchy. Now spirit of anarchism live in ecological politics. We have many communes in world who are anarchists. Like Rainbow people in Argentina and similar. Todays meaning of Anarchism lier in French revolution. Economist and philosopher Pierre-Joseph Proudhon was member of French parlament and first person to call himself „Anarchist“. He invented famous anarchists slogan „Property is theft!“ „If I were asked to answer the following question: What is slavery? and I should answer in one word, It is murder!, my meaning would be understood at once. No extended argument would be required . . Why, then, to this other question: What is property? may I not likewise answer, It is robbery!,without the certainty of being misunderstood; the second proposition being no other than a transformation of the first?“—Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, What is Property? As I already said Anarchism is against Marxism. We can have no class society but it can still be sexist society. In communism everybody is equeal but some more some less. One only decide one follows and work. Marx said: „From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.“ Anarcho syndicalism in Swiss, Germany, France, Italy and especially in Spain were strong. People were lying on streets. Europe fear that Anarchists could take weapons in their hands. That fear was spread to Russia. Tsar Alexander assassination was linked with Anarchism by some historians. In 1870 we have had Anarchist media-press. Oscar Wilde spoke about New saviour from Russia. It was man influenced by Darwin. Prince Peter Kropotkin. Founder of anarchist communism, mutual aid, abolition of wage-labor, four-hour workday, voluntary communes, factories and workshops. He was zoologist, and evolutionary theorist, philosopher, scientist, revolutionary, economist, activist, geographer, writter. He claimed also when we develop moral sense that we dont need external law. Communism is best to give mutual aid. Humans come togheter. We can find moral in nature.Read Darwin and look for historical and anthropological evidence that human developed ethical codes. He was also linked with Anarchism in Ukraine. He said in 1897: “Either the State for ever, crushing individual and local life... Or the destruction of States and new life starting again.. on the principles of the lively initiative of the individual and groups and that of free agreement. The choice lies with you!” Now I will end this post with George Orwell who describes a scene in Spain in his book, „Homage to Catalonia“: "I had dropped more or less by chance into the only community of any size in Western Europe where political consciousness and disbelief in capitalism were more normal than their opposites. Up here in Aragon one was among tens of thousands of people, mainly though not entirely of working-class origin, all living at the same level and mingling on terms of equality. In theory it was perfect equality, and even in practice it was not far from it. There is a sense in which it would be true to say that one was experiencing a foretaste of Socialism, by which I mean that the prevailing mental atmosphere was that of Socialism. Many of the normal motives of civilized life—snobbishness, money-grubbing, fear of the boss, etc.--had simply ceased to exist. The ordinary class-division of society had disappeared to an extent that is almost unthinkable in the money-tainted air of England; there was no one there except the peasants and ourselves, and no one owned anyone else as his master." This happened to be one of my longest but one of greatest posts. Big Bad Voodoo Edited September 18, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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