Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 29, 2013 Author #26 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Scientific studies show fluoridation's claimed benefits are in dispute http://www.fluoridation.com/caries1.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Fish Posted September 29, 2013 #27 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Are you aware of any scientific studies which show that fluoride helps develop strong teeths? there is one study that has been used that showed the fluoridated group to have many fewer fillings than the unfluoridated group. ....what they didn't tell you was that the fluoridated group had many more extractions than the unfluoridated. easy to lie with "science". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted September 29, 2013 #28 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I think fluoride in our water is not good for us but I don't think its a government conspiracy. I think the government just did a study back in the day that turned out positive so everyone rushed to make it a law and now studies show the opposite and once the government does something its hard to reverse that **** 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 29, 2013 #29 Share Posted September 29, 2013 My mother was a dental nurse when they implimented fluoridation in the water here in Oz. She says there was a noticeable change in the way people presented with rotten teeth (ie while htey still had rotten teeth, they were less rotten). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 29, 2013 Author #30 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) there is one study that has been used that showed the fluoridated group to have many fewer fillings than the unfluoridated group. ....what they didn't tell you was that the fluoridated group had many more extractions than the unfluoridated. easy to lie with "science". Like this conclusion from study I posted above: Conclusion: From the above considerations it seems clear that the Hastings fluoridation study did not, as it was purported to do, demonstrate the effectiveness of water fluoridation in reducing dental decay in a typical New Zealand population. The reported reductions were at least partly, if not wholly, the result of factors other than fluoridation. Today proponents of fluoridation will concede that there were other factors operating to cause the reductions, over and above any fluoridation effect. But that fact, although known to those responsible for the study, was never reported in official and scientific published reports on it. The study was, it seems, more a public relations exercise than a scientific one. Nonetheless, it is still cited in scientific literature and textbooks as being the latter. Deserving of consideration is the extent to which the same situation might apply to the man "no control" fluoridation studies in other countries. The authors suggest further re-examinations like those of Diesendorf. Edited September 29, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Fish Posted September 29, 2013 #31 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I think fluoride in our water is not good for us but I don't think its a government conspiracy. I think the government just did a study back in the day that turned out positive so everyone rushed to make it a law and now studies show the opposite and once the government does something its hard to reverse that **** initially it was a disposal mechanism for the aluminium industry. the aluminium industry was in danger of being prosecuted for fluoride pollution to the surrounding population, the industry then lobbied government to put it in the water (presumably to mask the damage they were causing in the local environment). Paul Connet is the guy to look up on youtube to educate yourself. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted September 29, 2013 #32 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Rashore, Are you aware of any scientific studies which show that fluoride helps develop strong teeths? Sure, here's a couple of sites with reading on it: http://uncnews.unc.edu/content/view/5916/107/ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/08/100826212037.htm But more isn't always better: http://www.pe.com/local-news/topics/topics-health-care-headlines/20110121-too-much-fluoride-damages-kids-teeth-study-shows.ece And it could be six of one, half dozen of the other with the weight being on a good thing: http://www.katu.com/news/problemsolver/Fluoride-debate-Study-looked-at-fluoride-vs-non-fluoride-in-Portland-area-205879721.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18087993 And just some general info on fluoride: http://fluorideinfo.org/FAQ.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 29, 2013 Author #33 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) My mother was a dental nurse when they implimented fluoridation in the water here in Oz. She says there was a noticeable change in the way people presented with rotten teeth (ie while htey still had rotten teeth, they were less rotten). Krook L, Maylin GA, Lillie JH, Wallace RS, Dental fluorosis in cattle, Cornell-Vet, 1983 Oct., 73:4, 340-362 Five expressions of dental fluorosis are described in cattle exposed to industrial fluoride pollution: 1. Hypercementosis with tooth ankylosis, cementum necrosis and cyst formation; 2. Delayed eruption of permanent incisor teeth; 3 Necrosis of alveolar bone with recession of bone and gingiva; 4. Oblique eruption of permanent teeth, hypoplasia of teeth with diastemata; and 5. Rapid progression of dental lesions. Hildebolt CF, Elvin-Lewis M, Molnar S, McKee JK, Perkins MD, Young KL, Caries prevalences among geochemical regions of Missouri,Am J Phys Anthropol, 1989 Jan, 78(1), 79-92 In the total sample, however, there were no significant differences between those children drinking optimally fluoridated water and those drinking suboptimally fluoridated water. http://www.fluoridat...com/caries1.htm Edited September 29, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 29, 2013 Author #34 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) Sure, here's a couple of sites with reading on it: http://uncnews.unc.e.../view/5916/107/ http://www.scienceda...00826212037.htm But more isn't always better: http://www.pe.com/lo...study-shows.ece And it could be six of one, half dozen of the other with the weight being on a good thing: http://www.katu.com/...-205879721.html http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/18087993 And just some general info on fluoride: http://fluorideinfo.org/FAQ.html Read links where science studies debunks it. Also I would rather have caries then all mentioned that it cause! Anyway thanks! I will read them. Edited September 29, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 29, 2013 Author #35 Share Posted September 29, 2013 initially it was a disposal mechanism for the aluminium industry. the aluminium industry was in danger of being prosecuted for fluoride pollution to the surrounding population, the industry then lobbied government to put it in the water (presumably to mask the damage they were causing in the local environment). Paul Connet is the guy to look up on youtube to educate yourself. Amazing! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmWoimuGgio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted September 29, 2013 #36 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Read links where science studies debunks it. Also I would rather have caries then all mentioned that it cause! Anyway thanks! I will read them. I have read such studies.. But you had asked for studies about fluoride being a good thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Voodoo Posted September 29, 2013 Author #37 Share Posted September 29, 2013 (edited) I have read such studies.. But you had asked for studies about fluoride being a good thing Im amazed about whole thing. I need to prosess all info now. Thanks guys! Edited September 29, 2013 by Big Bad Voodoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #38 Share Posted September 30, 2013 You skip this: FLUORIDE & INTELLIGENCE: THE 37 STUDIES http://www.fluoridea...tudies/brain01/ FluorideAlert is a questionable organization posting questionable material. You posted a link to an article which was a fraud. Have you ever considered checking before posting a link to a doofus article? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman76 Posted September 30, 2013 #39 Share Posted September 30, 2013 FluorideAlert is a questionable organization posting questionable material. You posted a link to an article which was a fraud. Have you ever considered checking before posting a link to a doofus article? Of course they are. They are folks who step on some big toes. Toes who belong to people who are saving a fortune by dumping toxic waste into our water supply. You'd think the Harvard study would have people agressivly researching this here in America. Yet we see nothing even being questioned by folks who make lots of money off this crap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #40 Share Posted September 30, 2013 You skip this: FLUORIDE & INTELLIGENCE: THE 37 STUDIES http://www.fluoridea...tudies/brain01/ Why would I bother reading from a well known hoax site when the thread was started by a hoax article? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #41 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I wish I could believe this. But there is a plan turning the whole world into the country or terror, wars because of peace , secret CIA prisons, inventing enemies who live in caves and cells that are impossible to see, the media's controlled by Corps, including the military industrial complex that controls GE NBC CNBC MSNBC and Carlyle Group owns Qwest Communications Insight Cable, mass vaccination of children poisonous vaccines, fake elections, false flag terrorism, "drugs", GMOs, oil wars, chemical traces, depleted uranium and mass extermination of human population! Diabolical secret societies and elites exist. The thread is started by a hoax. And now it goes from hoax to unsubstantiated prattle. Have you ever considered checking out the original articles before posting them and actually not dumping a lot of irrelevant claptrap into the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #42 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Is there any scientific studies which show that fluoride helps develop strong bones and teeth? If you actually spent some time researching you would know the answer. Instead you post countless hoaxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #43 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I think fluoride in our water is not good for us but I don't think its a government conspiracy. I think the government just did a study back in the day that turned out positive so everyone rushed to make it a law and now studies show the opposite and once the government does something its hard to reverse that **** Nice guess, but wrong. I think you need to learn how studies work and what any individual study means in science. Let me give you a hint. There was a famous study showing that caffeine caused cancer. So why is coffee still sold? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #44 Share Posted September 30, 2013 initially it was a disposal mechanism for the aluminium industry. the aluminium industry was in danger of being prosecuted for fluoride pollution to the surrounding population, the industry then lobbied government to put it in the water (presumably to mask the damage they were causing in the local environment). Paul Connet is the guy to look up on youtube to educate yourself. Bad guess and not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #45 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Krook L, Maylin GA, Lillie JH, Wallace RS, Dental fluorosis in cattle, Cornell-Vet, 1983 Oct., 73:4, 340-362 Five expressions of dental fluorosis are described in cattle exposed to industrial fluoride pollution: 1. Hypercementosis with tooth ankylosis, cementum necrosis and cyst formation; 2. Delayed eruption of permanent incisor teeth; 3 Necrosis of alveolar bone with recession of bone and gingiva; 4. Oblique eruption of permanent teeth, hypoplasia of teeth with diastemata; and 5. Rapid progression of dental lesions. Hildebolt CF, Elvin-Lewis M, Molnar S, McKee JK, Perkins MD, Young KL, Caries prevalences among geochemical regions of Missouri,Am J Phys Anthropol, 1989 Jan, 78(1), 79-92 In the total sample, however, there were no significant differences between those children drinking optimally fluoridated water and those drinking suboptimally fluoridated water. http://www.fluoridat...com/caries1.htm Still posting links to the hoax site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #46 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Of course they are. They are folks who step on some big toes. Toes who belong to people who are saving a fortune by dumping toxic waste into our water supply. You'd think the Harvard study would have people agressivly researching this here in America. Yet we see nothing even being questioned by folks who make lots of money off this crap. Supporting a hoax site with innuendo. Yawn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #47 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'm surprised no one has posted more gibberish about fluoride being used to calcify the pineal gland and other rubbish claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #48 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Unlike the hoax sites there is strong evidence that fluoridation works. As we see below dental issues were prevalent right up to WWII. That is not that long ago. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm4841a1.htm Failure to meet the minimum standard of having six opposing teeth was a leading cause of rejection from military service in both world wars (3,4). If you read the article you will learn that a Dr Mackay in 1901 discovered that fluoride was preventing tooth decay at the cost of mottling teeth. This had nothing to do with the aluminum industry needing a place to dump toxins. A chemist in the aluminum industry helped verify that it was the fluoride in the water. Does fluoridation work? Yes. A review of studies on the effectiveness of water fluoridation conducted in the United States during 1979-1989 found that caries reduction was 8%-37% among adolescents (mean: 26.5%) (16). Is it becoming less effective today? Yes. This trend has been attributed largely to the diffusion of fluoridated water to areas without fluoridated water through bottling and processing of foods and beverages in areas with fluoridated water and widespread use of fluoride toothpaste (17). Fluoride toothpaste is efficacious in preventing dental caries, but its effectiveness depends on frequency of use by persons or their caregivers. In contrast, water fluoridation reaches all residents of communities and generally is not dependent on individual behavior. Although early studies focused mostly on children, water fluoridation also is effective in preventing dental caries among adults. Fluoridation reduces enamel caries in adults by 20%-40% (16) and prevents caries on the exposed root surfaces of teeth, a condition that particularly affects older adults.Water fluoridation is especially beneficial for communities of low socioeconomic status (18). These communities have a disproportionate burden of dental caries and have less access than higher income communities to dental-care services and other sources of fluoride. Water fluoridation may help reduce such dental health disparities. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rashore Posted September 30, 2013 #49 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I'm surprised no one has posted more gibberish about fluoride being used to calcify the pineal gland and other rubbish claims. Seriously? I'm not sure if I should laugh my butt off or roll my eyes. Hadn't heard that one before, but I guess any CT is possible, hehehehee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted September 30, 2013 #50 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Seriously? I'm not sure if I should laugh my butt off or roll my eyes. Hadn't heard that one before, but I guess any CT is possible, hehehehee. It has to do with mind control and preventing people from using their psi and connecting to the dimension of astral projections and stopping RV and whatever else the "ebil gummint" is up to these days. It's blinding the third eye. It's wacky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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