[Merged] Madeleine McCann

[Aaronsmom]

I don't think you're up to date. The cadaver dog "evidence" was thrown out eventually. It was found to be faulty. The so-called hit the dogs picked up in the trunk of the rented car wasn't possible. The McCanns rented the car many days after Madeleine went missing--at a time when the international media was following every move of the McCanns.

What lies? There are no lies they told. What about the female dining companion of the McCanns who took a turn checking on the children and said she saw a man walking off outside carrying a very still, little girl? Do you think that's a lie too? There were other witnesses in the vicinity of the hotel who reported seeing the same sight around the same time. What about the witnesses who reported an unfamiliar man hanging around the resort, looking at the apartment where the McCanns stayed in the days before the child disappeared? There are enough accounts corroborating the presence of an unknown male around the apartment to support the theory of a paedophile abduction.

[Adam frm manchester uk]

All 3 children should not have been left unattended in a foreign country ( or any country for that matter ) so there parents could go drinking !

They should be charged with neglect

Edited August 21, 2013 by Adam frm manchester uk

[Regi]

It seems to me that having spent most of the week at the resort (I think 6 days) the McCann's developed a false sense of security.

The scenario was that after having put the children to bed, they dined with friends nearby, and members of the group took turns checking in on the children every half hour.

That they methodically checked in on the children- even though they were in bed for the night- showed a certain amount of prudence which doesn't correlate with neglect.

At worst, I think the McCann's were (tragically) naive.

Edited August 21, 2013 by regi

[Leonardo]

Madelein disappeared from the apartment where the family was staying and has never been found. No sign of foul play was found anywhere in the family's lodgings. The whereabouts of the parents at the time of the disappearance are accounted for irrefutably. A credible witness reported seeing the figure of a man walking quickly from near the family's apartment, carrying a still (sleeping) child in white or pink clothes (Maddie was wearing pale pink PJs) when she left the dinner gathering to check on her own children.

I don't believe there was any credible testimony which put such an accurate timing on the witnesses seeing this figure of a man, and Mr McCann went from the restaurant at least once to check up on their children. It is entirely possible this "figure of a man" the witness reported seeing was, in fact, Mr McCann.

The McCanns stayed nearby the abduction site for months to aid the investigation. There was no evidence the perpetrator spent more than enough time to remove the sleeping child in the apartment. There are no conflicting facts as to the motive of the abductor.

None of which absolves the McCanns of any involvement. Any charges against the McCann were dropped purely because of a lack of evidence, which may only suggest they were very careful in disposing of their dead daughter.

There were accusations, confirmed, I believe, that Mrs McCann would drug her children to promote sleep. It has been speculated that, on the night in question, Mrs McCann gave Madelein too high a dosage and Madelein, as a result, died in her sleep. Therefore, her 'disappearance' would be Mr McCann protecting his wife by disposing of the body.

However, unless a body is found and toxicology indicates this speculation may have some basis in fact, I cannot see any resolution to this 'disappearance' ever happening.

[Moon Gazer]

I don't believe there was any credible testimony which put such an accurate timing on the witnesses seeing this figure of a man, and Mr McCann went from the restaurant at least once to check up on their children. It is entirely possible this "figure of a man" the witness reported seeing was, in fact, Mr McCann.

None of which absolves the McCanns of any involvement. Any charges against the McCann were dropped purely because of a lack of evidence, which may only suggest they were very careful in disposing of their dead daughter.

There were accusations, confirmed, I believe, that Mrs McCann would drug her children to promote sleep. It has been speculated that, on the night in question, Mrs McCann gave Madelein too high a dosage and Madelein, as a result, died in her sleep. Therefore, her 'disappearance' would be Mr McCann protecting his wife by disposing of the body.

However, unless a body is found and toxicology indicates this speculation may have some basis in fact, I cannot see any resolution to this 'disappearance' ever happening.

While I don't condone leaving your children as they did, surely if Mrs McCann had drugged her children then it would have been easy for the authorities to test the other two children for whatever drugs were supposedly used? They are simply accusations and I don't believe there was any evidence found that backed up the accusations. If I am wrong please do give me some links that show what evidence was found.

[Leonardo]

While I don't condone leaving your children as they did, surely if Mrs McCann had drugged her children then it would have been easy for the authorities to test the other two children for whatever drugs were supposedly used? They are simply accusations and I don't believe there was any evidence found that backed up the accusations. If I am wrong please do give me some links that show what evidence was found.

My emphasis.

There was quite a lengthy delay before any attempt at determining if the children had been drugged was made. As a result, the results were inconclusive and no traces of any sedative was found. There are also various, sometimes conflicting reports as to what was noticed about the children on the night - but the trend is that they were unresponsive to the commotion around them as if they had been sedated.

There is, of course, speculation that any kidnapper may have sedated the children - but that speculation relies on the kidnapper obtaining entry into a locked apartment without forcibly breaking in (the window was ruled out as an entry/egress point because of a lack of forensic evidence) through a locked door to which it is further speculated the kidnapper somehow obtained a duplicate key. The door was double locked, so an assistant to the kidnapper accessing the apartment through the window would not be able to open it from inside without a key, either.

There are reports that managers in the complex would sometimes leave spare keys under doormats, but no comment or confirmation whether this had occurred on this instance.

The only people known to have access to the apartment without breaking in are the McCanns. The McCanns vehemently deny they ever sedated their children.

Edited August 22, 2013 by Leonardo

[klambo]

I have never understood the rancor and condemnation of some of the public for the McCanns in this heart-wrenching tragedy which no doubt has ruined their lives considerably.

One thing that is often over looked is that the Mccanns were advised by the Portuguese police to keep things low profile to begin with.............instead the Mccans went against this advise and contacted Sky News just hours after Madeleine was discovered missing.

So whilst it could be argued that the Potuguses police might not be the most competant in the world, it is fully understandable how relationships between the Portuguse police and the Mccans rapidly became strained.

Once this story broke in the media, the Portuguse police were swamped with people saying that they had seen Madelene........when in fact all they saw was typical looking 5 year old blonde child, that could be seen in probably every European town and city on any given day.......no surprise that the Portuguese police couldn't cope........with the added hampering of the world media following their every move.

The Portuguese police low profile method may have yeilded more sucess..........but it was never given a chance by the Mccans.......the Potuguese police were hampered in their efforts right from the beginning.

Edited August 22, 2013 by klambo

[Still Waters]

Update -

The disgraced Portuguese detective accused of hampering the search for Madeleine McCann sought to ban media from the court room as a libel case against him got underway.

http://www.telegraph...ibel-trial.html

[Leonardo]

From the article, SW...

Mrs McCann's attendance in court is understood to be against the advice of Scotland Yard detectives who are attempting to launch their own investigation in the Algarve to try to solve the six-year mystery.

Why do the McCanns seem to be always ignoring police advice?

And is being present in a case to clear her name against some unproven allegations more important than the possibility that Scotland Yard might find clues to assist in the continuing search for her daughter?

She continues to plead to the media her daughter is still alive and that the search for her/getting her back is the most important thing - but her actions do not correspond with her words.

That is not an accusation that she has any guilt or complicity in the disappearance of her daughter, just that she seems to be as concerned about herself as much (or more) as she is about the search for her missing child.

[Infinite Playlist]

As much as I'd like to hope Madeline is alive and well, there are only two possibilities I can think of: she is alive and was put into sex slavery/child labor slavery/sex trade, or she is six feet under a pile of dirt.

[The_Student]

I saw a good documentary on this that suggested the police investigation was flawed: they treated Madeleine as a runaway rather than as a potential abducted child and there were numerous reports of strange characters in the area in the days leading up to her disappearance that were mostly ignored by the media. Unfortunately, it does look like her parents set up a perfect abduction scenario by following the same routine of leaving the children alone every night to go eat at the tapas restaurant.

[Still Waters]

Latest -

Mobile phone records may hold the key to solving the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, detectives believe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24386130

[Antilles]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/missing-madeleine-mccanns-parents-encouraged-by-new-inquiry/story-fni0xs61-1226733658937

Well, apparently a UK barrister has told police an 'informant' saw Maddie McCann a few weeks ago.

[CatFromHell]

Whats always bothered me about the case is why someone would take maddie, Who was old enough to know that the people taking her were not her family, And old enough to voice that fact too, And leave 2 babies who could not speak a word and would be harder to identify.

[Still Waters]

British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are releasing a new picture of a possible suspect.

http://news.sky.com/...ossible-suspect

Wouldn't that be something if they actually make some progress after all this time! I hope so.

[Sunny Day]

Whats always bothered me about the case is why someone would take maddie, Who was old enough to know that the people taking her were not her family, And old enough to voice that fact too, And leave 2 babies who could not speak a word and would be harder to identify.

This is a good point. I hadn't really thought about it like that. Perhaps the kidnapper was just happy to grab the closest? Or maybe she was awake and was grabbed to be quiet? All depends what the reason behind it all was I guess

[skookum]

The Portuguese police studied phone records and peoples movements very closely and all the files have been released and are freely available to read on the net.

It is all too convenient in my mind that all these break throughs, new evidence and reconstructions have just appeared appeared during a major libel trial going on in Portugal between the McCann's and the lead investigator of the Portuguese police. A trial that is not going as smoothly as all the others they have breezed through with the backing of the feared libel solicitors Carter Ruck. The solicitors apparently work for free for the McCann's yet this has never been explained why. The solicitors also work for the British Government like their chief spokesman Clarence Mitchell who left as a Government spokesman to become the McCann's spokesman days after the abduction.

When Scotland Yard can explain why British specialist dogs gave a false reading on this case yet are regularly used as evidence in court to convict people in the UK, then I might take the rest of their findings more seriously.

[Regi]

When Scotland Yard can explain why British specialist dogs gave a false reading on this case yet are regularly used as evidence in court to convict people in the UK, then I might take the rest of their findings more seriously.

I don't know what evidence you're referring to. (Scent dogs help lead investigators to evidence...they aren't the evidence.)

[skookum]

I don't know what evidence you're referring to. (Scent dogs help lead investigators to evidence...they aren't the evidence.)

Well why they indicated cadaver odour in the apartment, gardens and hire car?

Another thing I would like to add as I was talking to a retired superintendent on another site. His views on Scotland Yards timely release of the photo fit man dubbed as jigsaw man is alarming. Ask yourself this, they announced these suspects 6 months ago, yet have sat on the identities and photo fits to release them at this very carefully timed point. Assuming the little girl is still alive that means she would have had to endure 6 months of possible mental and physical abuse while they calculated the best time to release the information.

12 months ago they were looking for 6 British cleaners in a white transit van. Is jigsaw man a part of this? What are the public meant to be looking out for? Does anyone know or do we have to wait for crimewatch? One that is now being put forward as a Crimewatch special, the case that captured the attention of the world,

Edited October 12, 2013 by skookum

[Regi]

Well why they indicated cadaver odour in the apartment, gardens and hire car?

It's not clear to me what scent dogs indicated and where they indicated it according to the Portugal investigation, but obviously, current investigators don't consider it reliable information.

From what I know about the case, I'd find it contradictory to what I think the other evidence shows, and so I'd discount it for that reason and it appears that's what they're doing.

(Certainly, if they think she could still be alive, then that contradicts a cadaver hit/hits.)

Another thing I would like to add as I was talking to a retired superintendent on another site. His views on Scotland Yards timely release of the photo fit man dubbed as jigsaw man is alarming. Ask yourself this, they announced these suspects 6 months ago, yet have sat on the identities and photo fits to release them at this very carefully timed point. Assuming the little girl is still alive that means she would have had to endure 6 months of possible mental and physical abuse while they calculated the best time to release the information.

12 months ago they were looking for 6 British cleaners in a white transit van. Is jigsaw man a part of this? What are the public meant to be looking out for? Does anyone know or do we have to wait for crimewatch? One that is now being put forward as a Crimewatch special, the case that captured the attention of the world,

I think if they were looking for cleaners in a van 12 months ago, then they were following leads of 12 months ago.

From day one, this case was among the most difficult to solve and all this time later, it's an almost insurmountable task. It sounds to me like they're bending over backwards to make progress and I can't imagine why their efforts would be criticized.

[skookum]

It's not clear to me what scent dogs indicated and where they indicated it according to the Portugal investigation, but obviously, current investigators don't consider it reliable information.

From what I know about the case, I'd find it contradictory to what I think the other evidence shows, and so I'd discount it for that reason and it appears that's what they're doing.

(Certainly, if they think she could still be alive, then that contradicts a cadaver hit/hits.)

I think if they were looking for cleaners in a van 12 months ago, then they were following leads of 12 months ago.

From day one, this case was among the most difficult to solve and all this time later, it's an almost insurmountable task. It sounds to me like they're bending over backwards to make progress and I can't imagine why their efforts would be criticized.

I won't argue with you but would like to give you this website for purely information. http://www.mccannfiles.com/

It is probably a bit biased but does hold copies of the official PJ investigation and they are available original and translated.

The poor little girl has become nothing more than a brand name in my opinion. She sells papers and captures headlines. I really hope I am really wrong, but I don't think this will ever come to a conclusion.

Why do I think that and what is all this about now?

[Regi]

Skookum, I read through those lab analysis reports at that site and I didn't see any specimen results which would indicate anything...except one seems to confirm that Madeleine apparently drooled on her pillowcase.

I don't know what most of the specimens were, but there were some that didn't match the McCann's, nor any other known source.

Edited October 12, 2013 by regi

[Antilles]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2456751/Maddie-detectives-hunting-German-speaking-men-E-fit-suspects-revealed-week-McCanns-pray-Crimewatch-reconstruction-results-breakthrough.html

2 German speaking men, disregarded when Maddie went missing, are being sought.

[Regi]

Skookum, I read through those lab analysis reports at that site and I didn't see any specimen results which would indicate anything...except one seems to confirm that Madeleine apparently drooled on her pillowcase.

I don't know what most of the specimens were, but there were some that didn't match the McCann's, nor any other known source.

I want to clarify a couple of things in that post. 1) There were specimen's which profiles didn't match the McCann family. Those specimens were identified as "cellular".

2) There was a specimen submitted a couple of months after the others labeled JRB/1 and that sample was referred to as blood. It bothers me that it isn't clear where that sample was collected from, if it was indeed blood, or if it was simply submitted to the lab as such. Regardless, according to the DNA results, it matched the profile of what was apparently determined to be saliva collected from Madeleine's pillowcase.

[Still Waters]

Madeleine McCann: Crimewatch to show 'fresh version of events'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24509235