laver Posted October 10, 2013 Author #1376 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Laver, I know you don't care to hear this, but in reviewing this thread I see quite plainly that your arguments, as well as Furlong's, have been roundly disproved. You can repeat the same information as much as you want, but it won't fix the errors. It is very important for you and possible new readers to understand that what you have been calling "facts"—points of math, cop circles, ancient sites—are not facts but more along the lines of assumption or simple beliefs on your part. The only way they could be called facts is if a number of people review your work and concur that what you've presented is correct (almost like a peer-review environment). But the exact opposite has occurred: a number of people have reviewed your work and find it to be in error. Ignoring this doesn't change reality. You can go on repeating the same material, but as is obvious thus far, your work will continue not to survive scrutiny. It's a good lesson that one should not wed himself too rigidly to his assumptions. In closing, you sometimes seem to get hot and bothered when I post in this thread, so let me remind you that I am posting as a regular poster, not as a Mod. For the time being. It seems to have escaped your notice that contrary to your statement and the many posts on this thread we have finally established the dimensions of the Great Pyramid and that its as built height to base ratio is 7 /11 as stated originally and by David Furlong. It has also been established that this pyramid demonstrates the fraction 22/7, sometimes called Pi, because using the height as 7 units the distance round the base, 44 units, is the same as the circumference of a circle with a radius of 7 units using the 22 / 7 fraction - 2x22/7x7 = 44 units. Very simple maths that a school pupil of modest years could easily understand yet beyond the apparent comprehension of many posters over many pages of denial. These facts exist, but as stated from the start this could be evidence of an ancient design or just a pure coincidence. This GP ratio, 7 / 11, is then used by Furlong in transfering the Great Pyramid design to his discovery of 2 large circles on the Marlborough Downs of Wiltshire which he believes to be of ancient origin. This is based on the quite reasonable proposition that church sites used as circle markers may have ancient 'sacred' origins, which was a policy of the early Christian church as covered in previous posts. These circles of about a 12 mile diameter, and marked by ancient and later church sites, overlap to form a 7 / 11 vesica and using the Great Pyramid design lead to a location on the landscape, Temple Farm, which would seem to be the purpose of this extensive 'design', if it is not all some amazing set of coincidences. In post 1322, Page 89 on UM, details are given of a bearing line of 110 degrees from this Temple Farm location to the Holy Land which highlights many sites including church sites chosen for the start of the Book of Revelations which is the major reason for this thread and topic on UM. The textual references in the Book of Revelations which may refer to this possible ancient geometric layout will be covered shortly. Your comment that the proposals of this thread have been 'roundly disproved' is plainly incorrect since the objections raised have been answered and any UM user who is interested can check this out starting with the Great Pyramid. Unexplained Mysteries is what this website and forum purports to be all about with presumably the intention of maybe solving some mysteries of the ancient world and this thread is about a huge mystery and a few posts by 'debunkers' who must hold particular opinions contrary to the thread's proposals hardly constitutes a 'peer review'. But there seem to be a number of UM users who are interested in what this thread proposes. On 'crop circles', from previous comments you have made you clearly are in the camp of - 'all man made' - but I hope you would accept that this is a belief not a fact wih our present level of knowledge about this phenomena, despite the wild protestations of some die-hard posters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2013 #1377 Share Posted October 10, 2013 It seems to have escaped your notice that contrary to your statement and the many posts on this thread we have finally established the dimensions of theGreat Pyramid and that its as built height to base ratio is 7 /11 as stated originally and by David Furlong. It has also been established that this pyramid demonstrates the fraction 22/7, sometimes called Pi, because using the height as 7 units the distance round the base, 44 units, is the same as the circumference of a circle with a radius of 7 units using the 22 / 7 fraction - 2x22/7x7 = 44 units. Very simple maths that a school pupil of modest years could easily understand yet beyond the apparent comprehension of many posters over many pages of denial. These facts exist, but as stated from the start this could be evidence of an ancient design or just a pure coincidence. Again we have to see if these claims are correct. The first problem is that you use the term base to mean different things. This is the sort of thing that hoaxers do. They are vague about the terms.In the 7:11 case base is the length of one edge of the base. You also toss in the term built here. It has been pointed out many times to you that the building of the pyramid did not involve the ratio 7:11. The final product, the completed pyramid may have something in it that has a ratio of 7:11, but the building process did not involve that ratio. Onto the fraction 22/7. The builders of the pyramid did not use fractions. The pyramid does not demonstrate a fraction. That is just a misleading claim. Someone in modern times noticed that the height of the pyramid divided into the perimeter of the base is approximately 44/7, not 22/7. So you continue to make mistakes in your math despite repeated corrections throughout the thread. You call it "Very simple maths that a school pupil of modest years could easily understand" and yet you still can't get it right. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=240328&st=1305#entry4941207 laver is claiming P/H, not P/(2H) being 22/7. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=240328&st=1290#entry4941159 P/(2H) = 1:3.1428 ~ 1:(22/7)Lavar's claim is that this coincidence is much more than a coincidence. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=240328&st=1290#entry4941144 Twice the height ("r") multiplied by 22/7 equals 1,760 - 2(22/7)280 = 1,760. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=240328&st=1200#entry4932210 The ratio mentioned in your posts has nothing to do with what Furlong is claiming as the ratio, since he says that it is 7:22 height to base.http://www.kch42.dia...keys_intro3.htm Which means that for construction purposes it would be 7 height to 11 base (corner to midpoint). This is not the same as using the full base of 22. But it does suggest that you're using Furlong's base, corner to midpoint, as the full length of base which is NOT what Furlong is using. Not that he's any more accurate, he isn't, but it appears you're misapplying his already incorrect claims to say something entirely different. Which makes both of you wrong. http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=240328&st=1200#entry4933066 As to your varying and ill-defined utilizations of the base-line figures, attempts to determine a height to base "ratio" are somewhat limited. The basic, or at least, most readily conceivable ratios, would consist of the following: Perimeter (P)/ Height (H) Side (S)/H Area (A)/H Diagonal (D)/H Will not waste the time to present the simple details of the calculations, though can provide such should you actually wish to follow the proofs. Suffice it to note that the following ratios are readily derived: P/H = 1:6.2858 S/H = 1:1.5715 A/H = 1:362.001 D/H = 1:2.222 Please do inform the collective readership in regards to how you would perceive any of these figures to be representative of pi of phi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2013 #1378 Share Posted October 10, 2013 This GP ratio, 7 / 11, is then used by Furlong in transfering the Great Pyramid design to his discovery of2 large circles on the Marlborough Downs of Wiltshire which he believes to be of ancient origin. This is based on the quite reasonable proposition that church sites used as circle markers may have ancient 'sacred' origins, which was a policy of the early Christian church as covered in previous posts. These circles of about a 12 mile diameter, and marked by ancient and later church sites, overlap to form a 7 / 11 vesica and using the Great Pyramid design lead to a location on the landscape, Temple Farm, which would seem to be the purpose of this extensive 'design', if it is not all some amazing set of coincidences. So then you make the fanciful and unwarranted connection between the Great Pyramid and some fake circles drawn on a map of England because of a ratio. Ratios are only comparable IF they are of the same type. I pointed these instances of 7:11 before. The orbital period of Venus to Earth is 7:11The orbital radius of Earth to Mars is 7:11 The rotational period of Neptune to Mars is 7:11 The ratio of Mars' to Jupiter's inclination to the Sun's equator is 7:11 The ratio of Mercury's to Saturn's inclination to the Sun's equator is 7:11 The Uranus to Neptune mass ratio is 7:11 The Saturn to Neptune rotational period ratio is 7:11 According to you these are just as valid and likely to be more valid since some of these are closer to the ratio of 7:11 than the fake circles of Furlong. Why do I call the circles fake. The reason is simple. Furlong calls them fake. He labels these to be virtual circles. A virtual object does not exist in reality. You also claim that they overlap to form a vesica. That too is false. There is no vesica. Pointing out the 7:11 ratio shows it is not a vesica. If you dropped the connection to the Great Pyramid your fantasy would seem less like a delusion. If you dropped the term vesica it would seem that your claims are less like purposeful misrepresentations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2013 #1379 Share Posted October 10, 2013 In post 1322, Page 89 on UM, details are given of a bearing line of 110 degrees from this Temple Farm location to the Holy Land which highlights many sites including church sites chosen for the start of the Book of Revelations which is the major reason for this thread and topic on UM. The textual references in theBook of Revelations which may refer to this possible ancient geometric layout will be covered shortly. In that post you made it very clear that of all of the possible great circles available to you you chose an arbitrary one. You picked one on purpose that was no more a candidate than any other except you wanted to continue this house of cards of unwarranted connections. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2013 #1380 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Your comment that the proposals of this thread have been 'roundly disproved' is plainly incorrect since the objections raised have been answered and any UM userwho is interested can check this out starting with the Great Pyramid. Unexplained Mysteries is what this website and forum purports to be all about with presumably the intention of maybe solving some mysteries of the ancient world and this thread is about a huge mystery and a few posts by 'debunkers' who must hold particular opinions contrary to the thread's proposals hardly constitutes a 'peer review'. But there seem to be a number of UM users who are interested in what this thread proposes. If you ever stopped spouting gibberish and looked around you'd see that what you are posting is ridiculous. A good part of your problem is probably related to your willful use of terms in different ways such as base. You used that 2 different ways in your post. You also use terms such as vesica where there is no vesica. Your mistakes in language are I believe done on purpose. It allows you to fudge the evidence just as Furlong fudged his circles with a second set of circles after the first 2 he constructed did not have the properties he wanted. The only mystery here is your continue charade. You claim others are interested in this thread. The only ones posting here are you perpetuating this really obvious hoax and others pointing out this fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 10, 2013 #1381 Share Posted October 10, 2013 On 'crop circles', from previous comments you have made you clearly are in the camp of - 'all man made' - but I hope you would accept that this is a beliefnot a fact wih our present level of knowledge about this phenomena, despite the wild protestations of some die-hard posters. You've had 2 months to show us a crop circle that you believe is not man made. ALL crop circles are man made. That is a fact. There is zero reason to believe otherwise. It is your whimsical belief that 2000+ crop circles were not made by man. Hardly anyone believes that crop circles are not man made. The few die hard croppies left just can't figure out why the crop circle makers are so much more clever than they are. You can dig yourself out of this morass by trying to learn how crop circle makers can make intricate designs with simple tools. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted October 10, 2013 Author #1382 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Just take another look.... If you want to believe that it is all just a huge set of coincidences..that is up to you ..but this thread is now saying... what if it is an ancient design...why Temple Farm as a focal point ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted October 10, 2013 #1383 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) You have to give it to laver however that he is not Fickle, he sticks to his guns. I'm not going to post in this thread anymore and hopefully it will go to Page 2 and disappear into obscurity. Edited October 10, 2013 by DieChecker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 11, 2013 #1384 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Imagine that the spammer is back with that dopey picture - AGAIN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 11, 2013 #1385 Share Posted October 11, 2013 You've had 2 months to show us a crop circle that you believe is not man made. ALL crop circles are man made. That is a fact. There is zero reason to believe otherwise. It is your whimsical belief that 2000+ crop circles were not made by man. Hardly anyone believes that crop circles are not man made. The few die hard croppies left just can't figure out why the crop circle makers are so much more clever than they are. You can dig yourself out of this morass by trying to learn how crop circle makers can make intricate designs with simple tools. So laver show us a crop circle you believe is not made by man instead of that nonsense image you use as a crutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 11, 2013 #1386 Share Posted October 11, 2013 If you ever stopped spouting gibberish and looked around you'd see that what you are posting is ridiculous. A good part of your problem is probably related to your willful use of terms in different ways such as base. You used that 2 different ways in your post. You also use terms such as vesica where there is no vesica. Your mistakes in language are I believe done on purpose. It allows you to fudge the evidence just as Furlong fudged his circles with a second set of circles after the first 2 he constructed did not have the properties he wanted.The only mystery here is your continue charade. You claim others are interested in this thread. The only ones posting here are you perpetuating this really obvious hoax and others pointing out this fact. Have you figured out that you use the word base in many different ways? 1. as one edge of the base 2. as two edges of the base 3. as the perimeter of the base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted October 11, 2013 #1387 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Laver, I know you don't care to hear this, but in reviewing this thread I see quite plainly that your arguments, as well as Furlong's, have been roundly disproved. You can repeat the same information as much as you want, but it won't fix the errors. It is very important for you and possible new readers to understand that what you have been calling "facts"—points of math, cop circles, ancient sites—are not facts but more along the lines of assumption or simple beliefs on your part. It's worth repeating that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted October 12, 2013 Author #1388 Share Posted October 12, 2013 The churches of Revelations The book of Revelations is the last book of the Christian bible which scholars believe was written between 70 and 95 AD. It is an important part of Christian eschatology, the theology of an 'end of world' or 'end of time' and is called the Revelation of John because he is recorded as having written it down on the island of Patmos. No one is sure who the John refered to was so he is often called John of Patmos. This book of the bible is very hard to understand but the first 3 chapters are fairly straight forward consisting of the introduction of 7 named church sites in the province of Asia in chapter 1 and messages to these 7 churches in chapters 2 and 3. The province of Asia is the area now known as Turkey where these 7 church sites can be found and they are named in chapter 1 verse 11 as Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea - in this order John then sees an apparition of Jesus who is said to be holding 7 stars in his right hand and says in chaper 1 verse 20 - 'Here is the secret meaning of the 7 stars which you saw in my right hand, and of the 7 lamps of gold: the 7 stars are the angels of the 7 churches, and the 7 lamps are the 7 churches' In post 1322 on page 89 the important bearing line of 110 degrees from the Temple Farm location is discussed and the following is an extract of the connection between this bearing line and the last 5 of the churches of Revelation. 'Pergamum Bearing from Temple Farm 110.07 approx distance off line 2.6 miles south of line Thyatira .................................................109.64..................................... 13.5 north of line Sardis.....................................................110.18..................................... 6.9 south of line Philadelphia............................................109.83..................................... 6.5 north of line Laodicea.................................................110.00............. on line...................................... It can be seen that the order that these 'church' sites are given in Revelations follows the 110 degree bearing line with sites first to the south of the line, then to the north, alternately, until the last site Laodicea which is exactly on line.' The way these church sites follow this bearing line, alternately to the south then north in the sequence they are given in the text, raises the question of whether this could be related to the 'secret meaning' refered to in chapter 1 verse 20. Is the geographical location of these church sites, and how they clearly relate to the 110 bearing line from Temple Farm, the hidden message in these sites ? Is this just another coincidence that an important bearing from Temple Farm to the Holy Land has this apparent correlation to 5 of the 7 Revelation church sites ? These are the last 5 of the 7 churches of Revelation but the first 2 will be covered later as they form a seperate but also important alignment. If there is an intended link between the 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm and these 5 church sites from the book of Revelations, the last site - Laodicea - stands out as particularly significant. It is the only site with a bearing of exactly the 110 degrees from this particular geographical location of Temple Farm. It is also the last of the church sites which in a book, the last of the bible, is all about 'endings', this may be important. It is church number 7 in a book that emphasises this number, and its half, far more than any other number. So what does the message to Laodicea in Revelation have to say which might help in confirming this location's geometrically importance ? The text and source of the Book of Revelations says to Laodicea - 'I know all your ways ; you are neither hot nor cold .....' (Rev Chapter 3 v15 ) 'Here I stand knocking at the door; if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in........'(Rev Ch3 v20) The first quote refers to 'ways' and that Laodicea is 'neither hot nor cold' . It is the only one of the 5 churches that is not to the south or north of the 110 degree bearing line from Temple Farm but exactly on it which may be what this quote is referring to The second quote ' Here I stand knocking at the door.....' may have a more profound meaning because this is the only one of the churches of Revelation where we get this sort of comment. Here we have to consider: who is the ' I ' that this quote refers to ? The messages to the 7 churches are said to be from Jesus Christ and it has been a famous image in art over the years ; Christ standing at a door sometimes with a lamp. The church site before Laodicea is Philadelphia and the message to that location also talks about a 'door' - '...and look, I have set before you an open door, which no one can shut.....' ( Rev Chapter 3 verse 8 ) Coming down the bearing line from Temple Farm after Philadelphia comes Laodicea which the 'I' of Revelations sees as a door or portal. It would seem that Laodicea is an important location both in the text of the Book of Revelations and in the geometry from Temple Farm. This 110 degree bearing line is not just significant to these churches of Revelation because it leaves Laodicea and crosses the Mediterranean to the Holy Land and Mount Arbel / Magdala on the shores of the Sea of Galilee and an area where we hear that Jesus talked about an 'end of time or age' as we shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted October 13, 2013 Author #1389 Share Posted October 13, 2013 Yes, DieChecker, I try to, because there is an important truth in this story although it is a truth that some may at first find it hard to take in and one that is really quite profound. It may challenge your, and others, beliefs and world view but it is based on a principle that will, in my opinion, prevail. This is because it is based on simple math and geometry and appears to have been set out a very long time ago with the presumed intention of it some day coming to light. The question, which is the basis of this thread on UM is......is this the time...the time of Revelation ? Sorry you may be leaving the discussion on this thread, although I did not agree with much of what you wrote, your comments were more reasoned than some of the knee-jerk waffle and misinformation that some others post. However, if you are interested in the most influential individual of the last 2000ish years, I would suggest you hang around on this thread because it takes a little time to begin to understand the messages that Jesus, and his companion Mary of Magdala, seem to have been leaving for us to consider at this time............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted October 16, 2013 Author #1390 Share Posted October 16, 2013 The 110 degree bearing from Laodicea to Magdala in the Holy Land It is a strange journey from the Great Pyramid in Egypt to Wiltshire in southern Britain and the landscape geometry discovered by David Furlong which guided us to the focal point of Temple Farm. This location was found to have further strange geometric connections to other sites of the ancient world and then the Holy Land via the churches of Revelation about which we hear there is a 'secret meaning', as detailed in previous posts on UM. Laodicea, the last church of Revelation, being exactly on the 110 degree bearing line attracts our attention and we have seen that there are quotes in the text of Revelations which would seem to confirm that the source of this book knew that Laodicea was a special location. This 110 degree bearing line from Temple Farm then goes to the Holy Land at the Sea of Galilee location of Mount Arbel and Magdala and the other whole degree bearing lines to the Holy Land, 111 and 112 degree, from Temple Farm also highlight significant alignments of ancient sites. So from Ancient Egypt to the homeland of Jesus and Mary Magdalene but by way of a landscape layout of sites that must have been set out thousands of years earlier because of the age of the sites involved. These sites like Shechem on the 111 degree bearing line and Mamre on the 112 degree line are important biblical locations from the stories about Abraham but were clearly sacred sites to the people of the land from much earlier times. The first named church of Revelation is Ephesus and the sacred site at this location is exactly on the same bearing from Temple Farm as Mamre, 112 degrees, going to the southern area of the Holy Land south of Jerusalem. The northern bearing line 110 degrees, the Revelation line, seems to be of particular importance to the stories about Jesus who appears to have spent most of his time around the shores of the Sea of Galilee. He is of course closely associated with fishermen from this area and according to biblical accounts his final meeting with his followers was on a mountain by this inland sea where he talked about an end of time or age. It is we hear Mary of Magdala who rallies the disciples and directs them to this mountain by the Sea of Galilee and it is a reasonable assumption that this mountain, special to Christ, was Mount Arbel with the location which became associated with Mary next to it...named Magdala, now being called Migdal. From biblical sources and other ancient texts we can now see that Mary was the most important of the followers of Jesus, particularly towards the end of his ministry, being present at the crucifixion and the first to see the risen Christ. She was his messenger and became known as the 'Apostle to the Apostles' for her part in directing the disciples to Galilee where Jesus had told them to meet him on a mountain for final instructions. Other texts from the time of the gospels give further information about Mary of Magdala which indicate her key position in the stories about Christ. From the Gnostic gospels it is clear that her role as the companion and confidant of Jesus was not popular with some of the disciples which caused some dissent but she obviously had private discussions with Jesus and these seem to have involved a Revelation. From the 'Dialogue of the Saviour' Mary is the one who 'understands completely' so was the exception amongst the followers who obviously did not. Jesus says - 'You make clear the abundance of the Revelation' or 'You make clear the abundance of the Revealer' - so it is clear that Mary was an important part of some future Revelation. These comments in the context of Mary's plainly close relationship with Christ come into focus when we see the place she is named after, Magdala, flagging up on the 110 degree bearing line, the line that highlights the last 5 churches of Revelation with then the messages in the text of the Book of Revelations. It is just too much of a coincidence that it is Mary that rallies and directs the disciples to the mountain in Galilee, which would seem to be Mount Arbel next to Magdala, on the shores of the Sea of Galilee. We know that she was the messenger of Jesus but the strong indications are that Mary of Magdala was part of the message linked to her town by the 110 degree bearing line from Temple Farm, a message of Revelation for the future. At some time the geometric relationship of the locations concerned would inevitably come to light and become apparent. Jesus and Mary must have been aware of these geometric links and the details given in Matthew Chapter 28 confirm that Jesus saw this as a time of Revelation as an 'end of time or age'. Now that we know about the landscape geometry leading to Temple Farm and the important bearings coming from this location should we ask if this is the planned time of Revelation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samspade Posted October 19, 2013 #1391 Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) is the planned time of Revelation ? the time is at hand. i will stand for jesus christ when the time right Edited October 19, 2013 by samspade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted October 19, 2013 Author #1392 Share Posted October 19, 2013 the time is at hand. i will stand for jesus christ when the time right Who knows when ? But there are signs, ancient and modern, that this may be a time when we find out some amazing things. The research certainly indicates that it involves Jesus and Mary of Magdala, but also much older knowledge and belief of which they seem to have been aware. The landscape geometry is a fact and because of its great age is beyond the ability of any known early culture so some 'outside' influence cannot be excluded. It must have been set out in order that at some time it would be revealed - It is just a question of whether this is the time......a time of Revelation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted October 22, 2013 Author #1393 Share Posted October 22, 2013 (edited) Proof of the ancient Landscape Geometry ? Ephesus - Smyrna - the Cross The 110 degree bearing line from the Temple Farm location identified by David Furlong highlights the last 5 of the 7 church sites of the Book of Revelations on its way to Magdala by the shores of the Sea of Galilee in the Holy Land as detailed in previous posts on this thread. This immediately raises the question of 'what about the other 2 church sites, the first 2 - Ephesus and Smyrna ?' These 2 church sites are clearly not indicated by the 110 degree bearing line as it goes through present day Turkey being to the south of this bearing line. Is there another bearing line that highlights Ephesus and Smyrna ? If there is, where is it from ? Ephesus must be the most important of the sites for various reasons. It is the first named church of Revelation with very ancient origins back to the Neolithic period. It is also on a significant bearing from Temple Farm. The sacred site of Ephesus is actually nearby at Selcuk which is the site of the Temple of Artemis from very ancient times. This site with a latitude of 37deg 56min 59sec north and a longitude of 27deg 21min 50sec east is exactly on the 112 degree bearing line from Temple Farm to the Holy Land where it goes to an alignment of ancient sites including Mamre, an important Abrahamic site from the Old Testament. So Ephesus is being flagged as an important site in the ancient landscape geometry but how does this relate to its role as the first church of Revelation ? The 110 degree bearing comes from Temple Farm and highlights the last 5 Revelation churches and this location was only identified by David Furlong using the geometric design of the Great Pyramid in Egypt. The Great Pyramid is thus an important part of the proposed ancient landscape design. Does it also have a role in providing an alignment for the first 2 churches of Revelation ? This seems to be the case. From the Great Pyramid to Ephesus, the temple site at Selcuk, the bearing by great circle is 339.61 degrees and the bearing to Smyrna to the north is 339.72 which is very close. Also whereas the temple site at Ephesus is a well defined location the actual sacred site at Smyrna is not clear. So this 339.61 bearing could be an intended alignment for the first two Revelation churches using a bearing from the Great Pyramid and would seem to be the bearing to the Temple of Artemis at Selcuk of 339.61 degrees. The 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm highlighting 5 Revelation churches goes on to the Holy Land where other sites are identified which lend support to the validity of this bearing as an ancient alignment and part of a scheme of landscape layout of sacred sites. The alignment from the Great Pyramid to Ephesus of 339.61 then going on to very close to Smyrna could just be a coincidence unless there is further confirmation from other locations that this bearing is an intended part of the design. So looking at this bearing as it goes north from the Great Pyramid then Ephesus might confirm that it is an intended ancient alignment. Looking at the 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm it enters north western Turkey very close to ancient Troy and goes through the 5 churches of Revelation with the last church site Laodicea exactly on line. This great circle from Temple Farm runs just south of east on its route to the Holy Land. East would be 90 degrees so 20 degrees south of east. The bearing from the Great Pyramid to Ephesus of 339.61 is west of north some 20 degrees, so these two bearing lines will cross somewhere in north west Turkey, which they do. Now if the designer(s) of this proposed ancient landscape geometric design wanted to demonstrate the importance and validity of these 2 bearing lines one from Temple Farm, 110 degrees, and one from the Great Pyramid, 339.61 degrees, that highlight all the 7 churches of Revelation, then where they cross would have to be a significant location, which it is. As noted these 2 great circle bearings cross in what is now north west Turkey and in very close proximity to the now known site of Ancient Troy. The bearing from the Great Pyramid to Ephesus, 339.61 degrees, passes just to the east of the Troy site, about 1.9 miles, on its journey from the pyramid of 740 miles. The 110 degree bearing from Temple Farm passes just to the south of the Troy site, about 11 miles, in its journey of 1555 miles. So Troy might be an important clue to the validity of these two Revelation bearing lines. However, there is a much stronger clue built into the ancient landscape geometry that confirms these 2 bearing lines and their crossing point. By a process of trial and error one can establish the latitude and longitude of the crossing point, where on the 110 degree line the Great Pyramid bearing of 339.61 cuts across it and this turns out to be Latitude - - 39deg 39min 39sec north of the equator Longitude - 26deg 26min 26sec east of the Greenwich Meridian ( within 0.01 of a bearing degree) It has not yet been established if there is anything on the ground at these coordinates which might indicate that this is a very ancient 'sacred' site but the repetative digets in the Latitude and Longitude are a real mystery. If the designer(s) of this ancient landscape geometry, highlighting the 7 churches of Revelation, wanted to provide proof of these bearings on the landscape that would confirm their existence then to choose a latitude where these bearings cross, which clearly indicates it was chosen not just chance, would be a good way to do this. The Latitude of 39 / 39 / 39 north is a pretty plain signal of this. But, and it is a big but, how could the designer(s) have achieved repetative digets in the Longitude of this location thousands of years ago when the Greenwich Prime Meridian generally used today was apparently only established in the 19th Century ? The 26 / 26 / 26 in the Longitude are a second real mystery. There are only 3 possible answers to this mystery in the repetative Longitude of 26 / 26 / 26 1. It is just a very strange coincidence, just pure chance. This is possible but the repetative digets also being in the Latitude of the crossing point would suggest that this is an unlikely answer. 2. When the Greenwich Meridian was established there was some knowledge that this was a very ancient and important location. This seems highly unlikely but is a possibility. 3. The designer(s) of this ancient landscape geometry somehow knew what would end up, thousands of years later, as the world's Prime Meridian. This also seems highly unlikely but we are looking at a landscape design which is supposedly impossible, with our current understanding of the ancient world, so every possibility has to be considered. The geometry is there on the landscape from the Great Pyramid in Egypt to the layout on the Wiltshire Downs of southern Britain, discovered by David Furlong, and leading to Temple Farm; it exists and has been noted by many people for a long time. The latest piece in this amazing puzzle is the geometric links from Temple Farm to the Holy Land and the 5 churches of Revelation, along the 110 degree bearing line, which is quite clear, whether by coincidence or design. If this is an ancient design then in some way the first 2 churches have to also be linked to the design and the second alignment from the Great Pyramid to Ephesus does this and the special nature of the Latitude and Longitude where the 2 bearing lines cross near Troy was intended to confirm the validity of these bearing lines. The point for this thread on UM is that these things are now coming to light and the evident geometric links to the Book of Revelations with it's church sites and textual comments makes it necessary to ask if this is a time of Revelation ? That is something that any UM user interested in the topic will have to decide for themselves based on the evidence now available. 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laver Posted October 23, 2013 Author #1394 Share Posted October 23, 2013 A note on the last Post - 1393 As stated Ephesus is a key location in the proposed ancient landscape geometry. It has origins that we now know date back to the Neolithic and its sacred site, the Temple of Artemis, also has very ancient origins as a 'sacred' or 'holy' location at least back to the Bronze Age and possibly earlier. As noted the Temple of Artemis site at 37deg 56min 59sec north and 27deg 21min 50sec east of the Greenwich Meridian is exactly on the 112 degree Great Circle bearing from Temple Farm in Wiltshire. As seen there are 3 whole degree bearings from Temple Farm to the Holy Land, 110 deg, 111 deg, and 112 deg so the 112 degree bearing is the southern most of the bearings going exactly to Mamre and highlighting other Holy Land sites. The accuracy of this ancient landscape design is staggering. If we take the central location of Ephesus near the Temple of Artemis site it changes the bearing from 112. 0 to 112.05 so this Temple location was selected with great care if it was supposed to be drawing our attention to this bearing line. Of course this site has to also set the bearing from the Great Pyramid to provide the Crossing Point of the 110 degree bearing near Troy at 39 / 39 / 39 north and 26 / 26 / 26 east.....clever stuff, even today, let alone thousands of years ago when these sites were established ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted October 26, 2013 Author #1395 Share Posted October 26, 2013 CROP CIRCLES Crop circles or designs are a part of the title of ths thread on UM but to newcomers to the thread have not featured much in recent posts. So just a reminder that the reason crop designs might be a sign of Revelation is based on the fact that over many years the center of this phenomina has been Wiltshire in southern Britain with about 90 per cent occurring in this general area. Some crop circles are clearly man made but there is no evidence that all are and indications some may not be. The proposed ancient landscape geometry discussed on the thread is also in Wiltshire as discovered by the researcher David Furlong, and written about in his book 'The Keys to the Temple', and this layout using the design of the Great Pyramid identifies a focal point of Temple Farm near Avebury. Further investigation revealed that Great Circle bearings from Temple Farm highlighted alignments of ancient sites in the Holy Land and one bearing correlated with 5 of the 7 church sites noted at the start of the Book of Revelations as it passes through Turkey. Now this has been found out it is reasonable to ask if this is a time of Revelation. If some crop designs are not man made, which many people think may be the case, then it is also reasonable, and probably sensible, to ask if there is a connection between these 2 strange phenomina given their geographic coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted November 1, 2013 Author #1396 Share Posted November 1, 2013 Reply to question by Seeder on Ancient Aliens thread You should find that the information you requested is available on this thread and would suggest you read the following posts which summarise the proposals Page 93 Post 1388 12 Oct / Post 1390 16 Oct / Post 1393 22 Oct / Post 1394 23 Oct Post 1395 26 Oct explains why Crop Designs might also be a sign of a time of Revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted November 3, 2013 Author #1397 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Reply to Stereologist on Ancient Aliens thread **** laver, on 03 November 2013 - 03:42 AM, said: Please reply to the other thread, as requested, where you lost the argument and ran away.......... 'No. I simply saw no need to continue pointing out your repetitious inane claims'. **** Your comment that the proposals on this thread are 'inane' clearly demonstrates the weakness of your argument. 'Inane' means - senseless, unimaginative and the proposals are quite clearly neither as any interested UM user can easily establish for themselves. The locations exist, the alignments exist - as can be verified by any interested party. The important point is what conclusions we might draw from this discovery - could it just be coincidence ? This possiblity becomes very remote when we see the 110 degree bearing line from Temple Farm to the Sea of Galilee at Magdala, highlighting 5 of the 7 church sites from the Book of Revelations, being crossed by the bearing from the Great Pyramid to Ephesus, highlighting the other 2 church sites, at a very significant geographical location - 39 / 39 / 39 north and 26 / 26 / 26 east. To many people this may soon prove a 'coincidence too far' and recognised as part of the ancient design presumably to demonstrate the validity of the geometric layout of sites. Without the information in the Book of Revelations the much older geometric design could not have been confirmed in the way it has been and the clues in the text of this document also tend to confirm that the source of this book knew about the design. I am quite happy to answer, if possible, any genuine queries about the proposals on this thread but if just uninformed insults they do not do justice to these intriguing discoveries which I might add were not in any way contrived by me but just came to light when considering a location in southern Britain discovered and published some years ago by the author and researcher David Furlong using the geometry of the Great Pyramid in Egypt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLingo Posted November 6, 2013 #1398 Share Posted November 6, 2013 Reply to question by Seeder on Ancient Aliens thread Reply to Stereologist on Ancient Aliens thread **** why are you replying to a different thread on here.. trying to keep this thread open? I think its time for this thread to be locked.. there is nothing futher being put on here that has not already been said.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laver Posted November 6, 2013 Author #1399 Share Posted November 6, 2013 (edited) why are you replying to a different thread on here.. trying to keep this thread open? I think its time for this thread to be locked.. there is nothing futher being put on here that has not already been said.. The replies are to issues raised on another thread but relating to this thread so to keep matters correct a note is placed on the other thread and any detail put on this thread. If any other UM users want to see what it is all about they are then on the right thread to investigate the proposals of this thread. You lost the argument about Crop Circles and Ancient Landscape Geometry being possible signs of a time of Revelation... that time being maybe about now... which is your loss not mine... and other UM users can make up their own minds. Having lost the argument you and your supporters then boycott the thread and seek its closure which is nonsense and very childish behaviour caused by attitudes that do not want to consider things that might be contrary to your particular beliefs. The irony of the situation is that if this a time of Revelation your actions will just show you and your little group of 'believers' to be wrong which is something you / they will have to live with now and for ever..... because there is no certainty that you will get a second chance to rethink these Revelations.... So dismiss the proposals at your peril... You / they were wrong about the clear geometric messages in the Great Pyramid You / they were wrong about the landscape geometry of Furlong, using this geometry, in Wiltshire leading to Temple Farm Are you / they also wrong to dismiss the bearings from Temple Farm to the Holy Land and churches of Revelation? Time will tell...... Edited November 6, 2013 by laver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmt_sesh Posted November 6, 2013 #1400 Share Posted November 6, 2013 why are you replying to a different thread on here.. trying to keep this thread open? I think its time for this thread to be locked.. there is nothing futher being put on here that has not already been said.. Dingo, in my opinion laver has handled this appropriately. There were questions about his "crop circles" thread in another discussion, and he brought the questions here to provide answers rather than derailing the other discussion. This was a good idea. To this point in time, in my view, it isn't technically bumping, so no harm done. To laver, you've noticed that this thread has grown stale lately. People are not contributing. I see you're deciding to take this as a win on your part, but what's actually the case is that you haven't succeeded in establishing any of your ideas and people have chosen not to spend time on it any longer. This is definitely not a win. It's an example of atrophy. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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