9/11 Cruise Missile Theory

[phunk]

Sheesh, Kenny. I just explained why the nuke idea is wrong, just like the hologram idea. It's nothing personal. No one is hunting for anything, you're putting it out there and we're responding.

[Space Commander Travis]

Sheesh, phunk, I just mentioned the nuke as a possibility just like I did the hologram. You guys really have to hunt to find something to jump on me and insult me about. Quit making a federal case out of every little word. Obviously, you didn't have the kind of upbringing that I did. Sure, I've been speculating. What else is there? There is no evidence. What you guys call evidence may be an outright lie or part of the cover-up. Any thing you come up with is also speculating, as far as I'm concerned. Now, as far as the theory about an aircraft liquefing. It might be something to it but I don't believe it could occur at the slow-poke speed of 500mph. I notice thru-out all these posts, nobody has ever told me the theory behind this liquefying. All you say is I won't believe it, anyway. Is it so far out that you don't believe it yourselves? Has it been tested? Do you have any proof or is it all in your mind? PS, I think 555Soul is OK. KennyB

Um? You accuse the US government (or whoever) of setting off a nuke under the WTC, and then you say "oh, stop nit picking every little word", "look it's just a possibility"? These aren't just "little words". Are you really just plucking these wild ideas out of thin air and not even thinking about what you're saying? Do you have any conception of the scale of the accusation you're making here?

And then you're still asking, "does the Official Version really sound more plausible than my mini-nuke/hologram theories??" Yes it does.

[KennyB]

747400, If you don't like my theory, give me yours. KennyB

[TK0001]

747400, If you don't like my theory, give me yours. KennyB

Have you stated a theory? I thought you were just wildly "speculating" without any basis in reality.

What about the theory that planes were flown by terrorists into the buildings?

[Space Commander Travis]

747400, If you don't like my theory, give me yours. KennyB

My theory? I thought I was merely a naive sheep who followed the official version. I'm glad that you do think that I might have a theory, which i might share one day, if I feel like it.

Yes, it is annoying when people do that, isn't it.

[Space Commander Travis]

Ok, why not this? There were planes, not only that but they were the actual American Airlines and United Airlines flights (all four of them), and the "hijackers" were working under the instruction of Osama bin Laden, but he was working under the instructions or under some kind of incentive from the CIA, or maybe even Mossad. Or the "hijackers" themselves were CIA and/or Mossad agents, but either way, the actual planes were actually flown into their respective targets (except one).

Might that (which I'm not saying I necesarily do believe, just hypothesising) really not be as plausible as the whole mini-nuke (or even merely controlled demolition)/cruise missile (with or without hologram) shebang?

[KennyB]

I thought you wanted to get back to the Pentagon. I'd like to remind you that this forum has posts about some of the most fantastic things you can imagine. Way out religions, shadow creatures, aliens, remote viewing, etc. Nobody ever gets on their case like you do mine. Why is that? Am I getting too close to home? I'm I getting into forbidden territory?

I reject the theory that the airliners were hijacked and flown by Arab terrorists on several grounds, mainly because I don't think any of them had enough training and skill to make the maneuvers that were made by those aircraft.

If I have hurt anyone's feelings or you do not like what I say, why do you keep coming back? There are other threads. KennyB

[Czero 101]

I thought you wanted to get back to the Pentagon. I'd like to remind you that this forum has posts about some of the most fantastic things you can imagine. Way out religions, shadow creatures, aliens, remote viewing, etc. Nobody ever gets on their case like you do mine. Why is that? Am I getting too close to home? I'm I getting into forbidden territory?

Check out the Religion forum or the ET & UFO forum or even the Moon Landing Hoax thread here in this forum sometime.

You'll soon realize that you're not being singled out, just being held to standard that most conspiracy theorists cannot or will not live up to.

I reject the theory that the airliners were hijacked and flown by Arab terrorists on several grounds, mainly because I don't think any of them had enough training and skill to make the maneuvers that were made by those aircraft.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you're NOT entitled to yuor own facts. Taking off in a commercial airliner is hard. Landing a commercial airliner is hard. maneuvering inbetween is a relative cakewalk. If you've ever spent more than a day on any good flight sim on your PC or Mac, then you probably know enough to make basic course and altitude changes in virtually any of the large commercial airliners.

It is a proven fact that some of the hijackers had private pilot's licenses.

It is a proven fact that some of the hijackers took commercial airliner training courses.

Why is it not possible that these people could have made the required maneuvers to crash these aircraft?

And really... is it so hard to believe that, as realitively easy as it is to fly these jets once airborne, its a lot easier to crash them.

* waits for the inevitable "evidence tainted by the government" rebuttal *

Cz

Edited June 29, 2009 by Czero 101

[Space Commander Travis]

If you suggest theories involving such things as mini-nukes and so on, you might expect people to ask questions about this theory, perhaps. But you seem reluctant to addres people's qestions about your mini-nuke hypothesis, or why you consider the hologram theory as being probable, as well. And theories about shadow creatures, aliens, remote viewing, etc, rarely involve the murder of thousands. 9/11 happened, without a doubt; all those others are areas where you can speculate to your heart's content. But this is a very real issue. So this is a rather different field of speculation, where if you advance a theory, you should expect to be asked to explain it further or back it up in some way, i think.

[TK0001]

* waits for the inevitable "evidence tainted by the government" rebuttal *

Or the inevitable rebuttal claiming the maneuver executed by Hanjour couldn't have been performed by anyone other than a professional fighter pilot, as if this mysterious pilot wanted to do a neat-o trick just before killing himself and hundreds of others...

[KennyB]

747400, Well, at least you're posting about 9-11 instead of me (mostly) Why even have Bin Laden involved in it. He said he didn't do it. I believe him. I think if he had, he would have been more than pleased to take credit. I believe he's been cast in the role of a 'patsy'. If he's still alive, he's a sick old man. He's more of a spiritual icon than a combat leader. I have my doubts that there are any active Arab terrorist cells in the U.S. We're so wide open to many kinds of devastating targets that some of them would have been hit. I'm not going to name any of them. In case one did get hit, I might get blamed for suggesting it. I think the whole terrorist thing is a false flag. KennyB

[Czero 101]

Or the inevitable rebuttal claiming the maneuver executed by Hanjour couldn't have been performed by anyone other than a professional fighter pilot, as if this mysterious pilot wanted to do a neat-o trick just before killing himself and hundreds of others...

I heard a theory that states that if you go out in style, Allah gives you 5 more virgins...

Cz

[Czero 101]

747400, Well, at least you're posting about 9-11 instead of me (mostly) Why even have Bin Laden involved in it. He said he didn't do it. I believe him. I think if he had, he would have been more than pleased to take credit. I believe he's been cast in the role of a 'patsy'. If he's still alive, he's a sick old man. He's more of a spiritual icon than a combat leader. I have my doubts that there are any active Arab terrorist cells in the U.S.

I'm starting to have my doubts about cellular activity in certain places myself...

We're so wide open to many kinds of devastating targets that some of them would have been hit. I'm not going to name any of them. In case one did get hit, I might get blamed for suggesting it. I think the whole terrorist thing is a false flag. KennyB

Right... because terrorists are renowned for cruising the conspiracy boards looking to find suggestions for targets...

Cz

[KennyB]

Cz, you're slipping. You actually almost agreed with me on something! Good show.

747400, The 9-11 thing is not fresh. It's already history. Discussing it is no more than talking about the Civil War. It's nothing to get excited about. What I speculate or what you speculate about concerning it is just so much conversation. Who cares?

[Czero 101]

Cz, you're slipping. You actually almost agreed with me on something! Good show.

Actually, I wasn't even close to agreeing with you.

Its actually quite sad that you assumed otherwise.

Cz

[Obviousman]

As to your "suitcase nuke", why is there NO reports of ANY radiation or radioactive fallout at Ground Zero?

Actually, there was low level radiation, and its source was identified: Americanium. And you know what Americanium is used in? Smoke detectors.

[555soul]

Look people, if a plane actually hit the pentagon they would be perading the videos through out the news, honestly, its the most protected building second to the white house, it has surface to air missiles built around it with about 1,000 cameras....they blasted the trade centers being hit on the news for nearly 6-7 months after 9/11 if it was really a plane that hit the pentagon then they would be showing it over and over. but the fact is they refuse to realse the video. so please until they do, take everything the government says with a grain of salt....

and dont forget to go out buy some jewelery and new car otherwise, the terrorists win.

I agree.

[555soul]

Look what I found..

SSSsoul described the impact area at the Pentagon as the accounting office where crucial records that may have contained evidence as to the where abouts

of the 'missing' 2.3 trillion dollars Donald Rumsfield was quoted as saying to the press on September 10 2001, a day before the crash.

[ For at least several years, then, the Pentagon Memorial will probably be the emotional center of the country's Sept. 11 observance. It has cost more and taken longer to build than planned, but in its completion, there is hope among the builders, donors and family members who have created the memorial that its evocative design will challenge the indelibly dark memories of Sept. 11 with a new set of images: flowing water, polished steel and light.

From a window near her desk, Kathy Dillaber has watched the construction crews come and go at the memorial site. A personnel manager for the Army, she was at work at the Pentagon on the morning American Airlines Flight 77 hit the building like a bomb. Her youngest sister, Patricia E. Mickley, working as a budget analyst one floor below, was killed, along with two dozen of Dillaber's colleagues. ] http://www.washingtonpost.com/gog/museums/...ditorial-review

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Can anybody else verify names the 125 people killed who were inside the Pentagon at the time of the crash that killed 184 people, in total?

59 people are confirmed military personel... many who have been verified through media stories.

This leaves 66 people who were not military but civilians or civilian employees at the Pentagon who died.

The woman, Patricia E. Mickley, listed in the above article, dated september 11, 2008 was working as a budget analyst in the Pentagon when she was killed.

Good detective work. Those couple dozen analysts were to be the Congressional witnesses to the 2 trillion dollar heist after that cash was 'misplaced' in black accounts and funneled to who knows where and what dummy account on what edge of the universe for what imaginary contract the Director of Defense shuffled it to. Nice.

The cash was announced as missing on Monday. The witnesses were dead on Tuesday. Congress was getting mailed American military grade Anthrax shortly after. ALL DEMOCRATS (recievers of Anthrax). In a Republican majority layout. All that is coincidence? HA!

Sorry, I tripped and accidentally ****ed your wife and stole your wallet. Well, if you're willing to believe that, I might as well try.

Edited June 30, 2009 by 555soul

[555soul]

If I was a Democratic Congressman persuing that investigation, and someone had the balls to mail out Anthrax Christmas cards, I'd stop asking questions too.

Who knows what iconography those letters had within them? The FBI and ther military. And they probably aren't qualified or won't talk for the same reasons the Democratic Congress wouldn't. Two people on the Congressional staff died behind that, and the press recieved them as well.

So everyone in Congress who is down with organized crime, but wouldn't stand by while someone was taking down skyscrapers and the Pentagon were shut the **** up rather quickly.

Because if you have the balls to bomb the Pentagon and the World Trade Center and veil the illusion you'd hit the White House, even though you wouldn't - AND shoot down your backup plane full of passengers over Pennsylvania - AND whack the accountants with a jet - AND mail Anthrax as a death threat.

NOBODY is going to **** with you or ask too many questions. Best case scenario is they'd have to kill you. Considering who blatantly quarterbacked this, and those who engineered this. Not so easy.

Edited June 30, 2009 by 555soul

[555soul]

I agree with Jesse Ventura on this. Conventional C4 shaped charges.

Maybe something else was in the mix. Maybe thermite charges in key locations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFIZwC6z4Kk

The building was under CONSTANT construction. New tennants. New owners.

In a building slated for asbestos removal, nobody is going to go crawling around the structure.

It's asbestos. It's harmful to breathe. You've got to know what you're doing.

I agree with Ventura. 2 SEAL teams. Maybe not domestic. Maybe even Arab or Israeli or Austrian.

They could come and go all year. Explosives are stable. They could have planted the material far in advance as a full blown construction program and wired it up to go as needed.

I'm still with some form of Sat control guiding those jets and the standard controls being reengineered. It was compartmentalized and all the compartments were eventually discarded permanently. A lot of people had cash riding on this. It was international.

Those Pseudo SEAL teams dressed as construction workers, certified in asbestos inspection and handling, etc. And various other trades using front companies, and wired up the shape charges as disguised with camoflauge, and then came in and wired them later and placed the thermite and electronics.

Maybe you could even paint on thermite or maybe you could create C4 molds and paint over them to blend them with the foundation steel.

Edited June 30, 2009 by 555soul

[555soul]

The whole, I can't believe a person could be so evil as to attack their own people argument - I laugh.

When you order bombs dropped and you are responsible for killing 1,000,000 people, what difference does it make if you kill 3,000 on this side of the imaginary line?

People are people. Those 500,000 plus (+) killed overseas were no more or less than 500,000 people on this side of the ocean. They were people.

When you are in the business of selling death you understand that, you live with that, you rationalize that and you continue to do what you do. You do business.

If you can kill 1 million people for a buck, you can do anything. No amount of killing or toruture or pain will sway you. That's your business. Death.

Arms dealers are in the business of selling security. If we had those arms and never used them, kept them in storage and dusted them off once every 10 years - would there be any new arms being produced?

Part of marketing security involves creating a need for your product if legitimate need runs dry. Many of the men in the White House were and will one day again be in the business of selling arms, energy and drugs. It's the world we live in.

G.W. Bush Sr. Sitting with Bin Ladin in a hotel across New York that day. Former director of the 10th largest arms dealing firm meeting with the director rep of the 1st largest Saudi construction firm on the morning of 9/11. What were they discussing? Destruction. Reconstruction.

The former secret police chief G.W. Bush. Director of Carlysle. Chenney, the head over at another war oriented company who's portfolio earned 1.5 Billion dollars while he was in office as a result of the war. Colin Powell, former board member of the 10th largest arms company. Rumsfeld - a member. And when Bush Sr. dies, who gets that money?

Pieces. Put them together.

Edited June 30, 2009 by 555soul

[Q24]

It is interesting that this thread about cruise missiles and referring to mini-nukes and holograms has built up 270 responses in less than 2 weeks. The last serious 9/11 thread [It wasn’t muslims] took over a month to receive 168 posts and has now sunk to page 3 of the forum.

This would suggest there are some 9/11 theories that will be jumped upon and other more difficult issues that are willingly avoided.

There are points of truth in this thread regarding problems of the official story but for which I feel I cannot defend or support because of the other more far-out ideas contained throughout.

Missiles, mini-nukes, holograms, directed energy weapons, abnormal weather effects, etc, will take you nowhere. I am grateful that the first alternative 9/11 information I came across was details of Al-Qaeda/CIA/Bush history and not a thread such as this one.

[KennyB]

When you're talking about CIA, Mossad or any other govt branch, you will never get any real information except what they choose to give you. On a forum such as this, every thing about their activities is nothing but speculation and theories. If you have to have more than that, like hard evidence, you will never get it. If that's what you have to have, you might as well drop out of the thread. I'm sure you 'professionial sceptics' know that as well as I do. You just take great pleasure in picking on anybody not in your clique. That's why there are 79,000 members of this forum, and less than 100 ever post. Most of them are lurkers, if even that. You ought to be banned. You are the most educated members on here but you don't contribute anything except contempt.

SSSoul, Good posts, all. I agree.

[Space Commander Travis]

When you're talking about CIA, Mossad or any other govt branch, you will never get any real information except what they choose to give you. On a forum such as this, every thing about their activities is nothing but speculation and theories. If you have to have more than that, like hard evidence, you will never get it. If that's what you have to have, you might as well drop out of the thread. I'm sure you 'professionial sceptics' know that as well as I do. You just take great pleasure in picking on anybody not in your clique. That's why there are 79,000 members of this forum, and less than 100 ever post. Most of them are lurkers, if even that. You ought to be banned. You are the most educated members on here but you don't contribute anything except contempt.

SSSoul, Good posts, all. I agree.

So how does one define anyone who "don't contribute anything useful except contempt"? Anyone who, say, doesn't happen to agree with your particular angle on things? That is what it seems like. Many people have tried to explain why they don't consider that the version of events that you've put forward seems so likely to them as other theories, such as, say the "official version", but you just seem not to want to consider any alternative ideas. Should the only ones who are allowed to contribute - to the enbtire forum in general, if your suggestion was followed up, not just this thread - be those who agree with the initial thesis of a thread?

I wonder, by the way, if you're including Q24 in your talk of "cliques".

Edited July 1, 2009 by 747400

[Q24]

When you're talking about CIA, Mossad or any other govt branch, you will never get any real information except what they choose to give you. On a forum such as this, every thing about their activities is nothing but speculation and theories.

Not everything is speculation, Kenny. For instance: -

Fact:

The Israeli Mossad have solid history of performing covert/false flag operations against U.S. and British interests where it suits. See the USS Liberty incident or even better, the Lavon Affair for reference.

Fact:

The CIA is in part responsible for the founding of Al-Qaeda, with supply of funding and weapons through Pakistan. Ali Mohammed is one example we know strongly fitting the profile of an Al-Qaeda/CIA double agent.

Fact:

The CIA bin Laden Issue Station were infiltrating agents into positions as close to bin Laden as they could from 1999-2001. Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers are known to have first travelled to Afghanistan or became affiliated with Al Qaeda during this period. The head of the Issue Station during this time was Cofer Black who afterwards went on to become Vice Chairman of Blackwater USA, the private security force used in Iraq.

Fact:

CIA agents reportedly met with Osama bin Laden on more than one occasion and as recently as two months prior 9/11.

Fact:

It has been reported in the mainstream media that two of the hijackers lived with an FBI informant and that a further five of the hijackers happened to live right outside the gates of the America’s most powerful spy agency, the NSA.

Fact:

Again in the mainstream, it has been reported that the FBI were specifically told to “back off” investigations of bin Laden before 9/11. FBI agent Coleen Rowley described how her superior appeared to be “consistently, almost deliberately thwarting” their efforts to attain a search warrant in the investigation of Zacarias Moussaoui. Senator Chuck Grassley later wrote, “If the application for the FISA warrant had gone forward, agents would have found information in Moussaoui's belongings that linked him to a major financier of the hijacking plot”.

Fact:

Five Israelis were detained in New York on 9/11 in direct relation to the attacks. Two of these men showed up on an FBI database of foreign intelligence agents. One of these men refused to take a lie detector test for 10 weeks and when he finally did, failed it. The FBI believed the Israelis were working for a cover company. Initial news reports, before retractions, stated that explosives were detected in the Israelis’ van. The CIA deported these men back to Israel and no explanation has ever been given to the public.

Fact:

a former member of Israel’s Sayeret Matkal intelligence unit, Daniel Lewin was onboard Flight 11.

Fact:

In October 2001, a U.S. government official stated that investigators had discovered a man named Omar Sheikh had sent about $100,000 to the lead hijacker, Mohammed Atta. Various mainstream sources have described Omar Sheikh as a terrorist who worked for Pakistan’s intelligence services and had close connections to Al Qaeda. The former Pakistani President, Pervez Musharraf, has stated that Sheikh was originally recruited by British intelligence agency MI6, while studying in London.

Fact:

The former president of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, has stated, “All of the democratic circles of America and of Europe now know well that the disastrous [9/11] attack was planned and realized by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world...” Cossiga is the same man who revealed the now confirmed covert Operation Gladio.

*Sorry for the lack of links to sources above but the information is readily available all over the internet and it is often better if people research these things for themselves.

You see there is ‘real information’ of multi-national intelligence services involvement all over 9/11. It’s up to each individual only how they wish to interpret the above facts. There is also plenty more that could be said of other government branches outside of the intelligence services regarding foreknowledge and failures to act.

Edit: I nearly forgot: -

Fact:

The New York Times reported that a Lebanese Muslim Arab accused by his country of being a spy for some 25 years for Israeli intelligence, just happens to be a cousin of one of the 9/11 hijackers.

To summarise, bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the hijackers were… created by intelligence services, funded by intelligence services, infiltrated by intelligence services, met by intelligence services, accommodated by intelligence services, given free reign by intelligence services, related to intelligence services, amongst the other points.

Edited July 1, 2009 by Q24