Which 'Hellenist' gospel writer are you referring to, Mark or Luke?
Mark says in 3:16
4 Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent.
Why did they remain silent if the Pharisees could work on the Sabbath to save a life?
Similarly , Luke describes Jesus freeing a crippled woman of an evil spirit on the Sabbath ( and her life may well have been in danger).
Luke 13. 10:17.
But the leader in charge of the synagogue was indignant that Jesus had healed her on the Sabbath day. "There are six days of the week for working," he said to the crowd. "Come on those days to be healed, not on the Sabbath."
15 But the Lord replied, "You hypocrites! Each of you works on the Sabbath day! Don’t you untie your ox or your donkey from its stall on the Sabbath and lead it out for water? 16 This dear woman, a daughter of Abraham, has been held in bondage by Satan for eighteen years. Isn’t it right that she be released, even on the Sabbath?"
The point is, the Pharisees were looking for a way to trap Jesus by trying to prove that he was breaking the Jewish law. He was an embarrassment to them, a threat to them. They wanted him out of the picture.
I think you have got your laws in a bit of a twist. If you are talking about a man-made law, like stopping at a red light, a law-abiding Jew/Christian/Atheist would stop as he is 'law-abiding', obviously. Do you seriously think a Christian would go through a red light, in the belief he was above the law?
If we are talking about Jewish laws from the OT, what Jesus was trying to teach was that love for God and mankind comes first, even if it breaks one of those laws like not healing on the sabbath, not eating pork, or any other of the myriad laws from Leviticus, designed to reign in an obstinate, obdurate, primitive, spiritually-challenged, not very savvy, desert tribe, prone to worshipping golden calves, committing incest, etc.
I can't believe you wrote that.
... throwing the wicked into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (NLT)
"His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." (NKJV)
The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will remove from his Kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. And the angels will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (NLT)
"Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, 'Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.' " (NLT)
Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means 'rock'), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it. (NLT)
If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It's better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands. (NLT)
Again, you have missed my point. The true Christian has overcome the law in the sense that he loves God and mankind so much that he naturally obeys it anyway, without fear. He/she no longer thinks about it and if he/she unwittingly breaks it, like healing someone on the Sabbath, God will forgive them.
The true Christian doesn't robotically obey the 10 commandments for 'peace of mind'. Anyone can obey laws for peace of mind, whether they believe in God or not - and it doesn't necessarily make them 'good'.
What I'm picking up from you is that a 'good' Jew is someone who obeys all the Jewish laws, feels smug about himself, and thinks that is all there is to spiritual life, and yet, still has a heart of stone, thinks he has been saved, and secretly despises others.
Edited by Philangeli, 15 November 2013 - 11:05 AM.