Here is why the planet X people are WRONG..!

[DBunker]

Do you really think this "new" planet is vindication for the "woo woo" Planet X expoused by the likes of Nancy Lieder and Sitchin?

There is simply no way a big planet so close to Earth could have escaped astronomers´ detection-- even amateur astronomers, who even Lieder and Hazlewood must realize have no reason to lie-- all these decades.

For Planet X to be here in less then a decade,(2012),it can´t be farther than a billion or so kilometers away. Even at that distance, it would be one of the brightest objects in the sky.

Even if it were too faint to be seen with the naked eye, it would still be seen easily even if it were billions of kilometers away. Remember, tiny Pluto is 5 billion kilometers out, and can be easily detected using modern equipment, and Pluto is way smaller than Planet X is supposed to be.

In my opinion, this is the biggest problem with the Planet X myth.

Simply put: where is it?

We don´t see it optically, and we don´t see any effects gravitationally.

The Planet X as the Zeta-talk loonies would have it doesn´t exist. They claim that there is a giant planet or Brown Dwarf which regularly visits the inner solar system.

This "new" planet they discovered is small and DOES NOT visit the inner solar system.

Hence the woo-woos are still wrong.

Many Kuiper belt objects have been found in the last few years. It has been suspected for years that some could be larger than Pluto, and I´m not at all surprised that we found one. Further, I think there is a very good chance that we will find more.

[jerrylambert]

When you say "we" should I assume you mean that you helped them find the kupier belt objects?

They covered up the lastest planet finding for two years. Finally a hacker exposed the discovery and NASA was forced to go public.

I have a pretty nice telescope, and I have to tell you that if there is a brown dwarf out there heading toward us, no backyard astronomer is going to see it untill it is right on top of us. All of the big telescopes are controled by the elusive governments. And the ones that aren't have a big problem moving data. They usually end up dead in a firey car accident.

Do a search and see how many scientists have been killed in car wrecks in the past few years. And then see what they were studying.

Jerry

[someperson]

I can't believe there is a planet so near by the Sun and we can't see it... It's just not likely. And why should astronomers etc. lie? Well... The car accident stuff... I don't know...

Although it's a nice site and some of the parts about aliens are quite interesting I can't (or don't want to) believe this planet X stuff.

[snuffypuffer]

Perhaps all this means is that astronomers are very bad drivers.

[Solofront]

come on, why do you think alot of the astronomers who die are from the results of "car crashes" conspiracies are everywhere my friend

[Raptor]

Silly astronomers are using projective lenses instead of windscreens.

[snuffypuffer]

Praytell, what good, exactly, would it do anyone to keep the existence of a large planetlike object nearing earth's orbit secret?

[Celeryslam]

you think if this thing came close to earth every 20,000 years(if it was a planet not a brown dwarf) that it would either A. Hit earth and dissapear or B. One of the 2 would move the other out of a gravition course so they wouldnt come close to eachother again.

[Solofront]

Praytell, what good, exactly, would it do anyone to keep the existence of a large planetlike object nearing earth's orbit secret?

825608[/snapback]

you tell us, mabye the whole nibiru planet ordeal is real, if such secrets exist within the government, they dont tell us because they dont have to tell us, mabye we are all living within the ultimate conspiracy of them all...which would be...we just dont know yet

[snuffypuffer]

There are libraries worth of things I don't know, I'd hardly call that a conspiracy. Our government is terrible at keeping secrets, if anything of this magnitude was out there information would have found a way to be leaked by now.

[JohnnyBoyC]

hold on a second.

What is this 'Planet X' a planet coming towards earth? Ive never heard of this someone please explain

[leadbelly]

I have never read any Planet X stories, but have heard one. That involved

a planet being opposite Earth, on the other side of the sun. There are convenient

reasons why this would not work. For one, as time passed, the opposition would have decayed, and we would have noticed them a long time ago.

The reason, Johnny, is that there are gravitational wells, and hills of potential

in the local solar system. Look at the illustration, below.

L1 is at a foci with short-lived and changing potential.

L2 is helped, and hindered, by the alignment of the Sun and the Earth. In other words, L2 is the most stable.

L4 and L5 are strong hills of potential, which bunch soon enough, into tight

coriolis pathways. Gravity countours the L4 and L5 space like a hill, so if you sit there, you will roll off the gravity hill, go into a turn, and roll back towards the top, over and over, until you don't make it back up- satellite probes do the same thing, over time.

L3 is a disaster, waiting to happen. A large mass would gain exponential momentum, and veer into another orbit in a possibly a millenium, but it could be a little longer.

In practical terms, we can park unmanned satellites at the most stable locations. It saves money not having to correct their drift, with monthly thruster firings.

Whether or not I have the Planet X story correct, we can at least say such tales must be 'far out'...

[whipnet]

I've never heard that Planet X or Nibiru is going to be here in 2012. I thought it was to return around the year 3000.

Scientist know that something large is out there affecting the outer planets gravity and orbit, but know not what it is. They speculate it's a brown dwarf, but it could be a massive planet.

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[QuantumE]

I posted this in another Planet X thread below so I brought it here:

Im staying neutral in this "Is planet X real or not" debate. But with an open mind think of this: NASA and the government etc. discovers a large celestial object bigger then jupiter coming into a collsion course towards earth. Do you really think they would reveal that information to the public? Of course not! You would have worldwide breakdown of society, chaos. They first time this news of a planet X hit the public was in the 80's. Then they quickly came to say it was nothing. Then this year some astronomer said he found it and was going to name it after his new daughter just born ( was on CNN or FOX last month) then that was it, nothing, never heard from it again. That's pretty big news right there for amatuer astronomers and NASA alike to just die out like that. With an open mind maybe this guy got paid off to keep quiet etc. I mean it makes sense, but we will never really know anything. Sometimes when the truth is covered you just got to use common sense and what is plausible. Anyone can say that Planet X dosen't exist because there's no evidence proving it to exist, but there's also no evidence proving it dosent exist.

[DBunker]

According to Zetatalk and other Internet sources, Planet X supposedly has a period of 3,657 years. If true, this gives PX a semi-major axis of about 35 billion kilometers. PX is supposedly somewhere near the Sun and inside the orbit of Earth. (It has to be inside Earth’s orbit to appear in front of the Sun as some have claimed.) I don’t know how close PX is supposed to get to the Sun, so I’ll make a guess and say it has a perihelion of 0.5 AU, or 74.8 million kilometers. As “the Zetas via Nancy say Planet X is 4 times larger than Earth in diameter and is 14 times more in mass”. So here’s what we allegedly know about Planet X:

Diameter = 51,000 km

Mass = 8.36x10^25 kg

Density = 1.20 g/cc

Orbital period = 3,657 years

Semi-major axis = 35,440,000,000 km

Eccentricity = 0.99789

The diameter and mass are nearly the same as the planet Uranus. Uranus is a faint naked eye object in our night sky; however, if you were to move it to, say, the orbit of Mars, it would outshine everything in the sky except the Sun and Moon.

Planet X’s passage through the inner solar system would be very rapid and short lived. This is based on the information provided by Nancy Lieder herself. All this talk of PX loitering around by the Sun is utter lunacy.

It is a scientific impossibility.

Based on my brief exposure to them, I'm thinking those Planet X people may be some of the most wacky of all the woo woos.

Edited September 4, 2005 by DEBUNKER

[jcb33]

Washington Post

Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered, a front page story

31-Dec-1983

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite. So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the light cast by its stars ever gets through. "All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology said in an interview.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous planet, as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 billion miles. While that may seem like a great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto. "If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists would even begin to classify it."

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time. "This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved if it were as close as 50 billion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have moved in six months time.

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40 degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 459 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are only 20 degrees above absolute zero. When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as 50 billion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth. "It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much cold water as I can."

[DBunker]

That story is 22 years old,sure there was an update later.

[Celeryslam]

wow people there is no planet x.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

on the left side it debunks planet x.

[someperson]

wow people there is no planet x.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

on the left side it debunks planet x.

826622[/snapback]

yeah, good site. I know many sites which debunk the planet x theory. And they all use similar arguments which I find very plausible.

But I still don't understand why some people even come up with planet x if it can be proven wrong so easily... It makes them lose their credibility. (If it is really just nonsense)

[whipnet]

Based on my brief exposure to them, I'm thinking those Planet X people may be some of the most wacky of all the woo woos.

826169[/snapback]

Wow, you must be new to the field, eh? Plenty more with a higher "wacky" level.

[indeed]

It makes them lose their credibility

[someperson]

I mean... I would be the perfect Zetatalk believer (since I'm a Zeta Reticuli maniac) But this planet x prediction simply was too strange for me. It's a shame... It would be such a nice website.

[Gmac1000]

wow people there is no planet x.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

on the left side it debunks planet x.

826622[/snapback]

yeah, good site. I know many sites which debunk the planet x theory. And they all use similar arguments which I find very plausible.

But I still don't understand why some people even come up with planet x if it can be proven wrong so easily... It makes them lose their credibility. (If it is really just nonsense)

826690[/snapback]

"Exit Mundi" the whole site is based on a Bias opinion of someone who has tried to come up with as many as World Endings as he can...something me and my friend does when we smoke too much weed. He doesn't give any proof for his theory's but his own opinion, he isn't even a good writer, he can't hide his imature personality.

guys for those who like to research things like that please read a book, the internent is impossible

to collect reliable information, try a library, and stop being soooo lazy.

[someperson]

wow people there is no planet x.

http://www.exitmundi.nl/exitmundi.htm

on the left side it debunks planet x.

826622[/snapback]

yeah, good site. I know many sites which debunk the planet x theory. And they all use similar arguments which I find very plausible.

But I still don't understand why some people even come up with planet x if it can be proven wrong so easily... It makes them lose their credibility. (If it is really just nonsense)

826690[/snapback]

"Exit Mundi" the whole site is based on a Bias opinion of someone who has tried to come up with as many as World Endings as he can...something me and my friend does when we smoke too much weed. He doesn't give any proof for his theory's but his own opinion, he isn't even a good writer, he can't hide his imature personality.

guys for those who like to research things like that please read a book, the internent is impossible

to collect reliable information, try a library, and stop being soooo lazy.

826727[/snapback]

books aren't always reliable, too.

[Gmac1000]

I guess you got me.