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[Still Waters]

A RESIDENT of a small NSW country town says he regularly sees strange lights in the sky that he believes are UFOs.

Damien Nott, 33, moved to Dunedoo, north of Mudgee, last year to refurbish the property that used to belong to his grandparents.

Since then, he has been filming the lights, which have also been seen by members of his family.

Mariana Flynn, the president of UFO Research NSW, visited Mr Nott two weeks ago to observe firsthand what he was seeing.

http://www.smh.com.a...0126-2ddh1.html

[Dr. Mirdad]

Still Waters, on 31 January 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

A RESIDENT of a small NSW country town says he regularly sees strange lights in the sky that he believes are UFOs.

Damien Nott, 33, moved to Dunedoo, north of Mudgee, last year to refurbish the property that used to belong to his grandparents.

Since then, he has been filming the lights, which have also been seen by members of his family.

Mariana Flynn, the president of UFO Research NSW, visited Mr Nott two weeks ago to observe firsthand what he was seeing.

http://www.smh.com.a...0126-2ddh1.html

Wow. I have taken pictures and video
of the same types that they show from :47-1:00

[Sweetpumper]

Dr. Mrdad, on 31 January 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

Wow. I have taken pictures and video
of the same types that they show from :47-1:00

Post 'em.

[Dr. Mirdad]

http://www.flickr.co...tream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.co...tream/lightbox/



I got a few more photos.

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Edited by Dr. Mrdad, 31 January 2013 - 07:24 PM.

[Sweetpumper]

Too bad we can't get much from those.  How would you describe what you were filming?

[Dr. Mirdad]

Sweetpumper, on 31 January 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

Too bad we can't get much from those.  How would you describe what you were filming?

Like a long band of light or cigar shape. There was lights moving back and forth, you cant really see it in the video though. It stood in that very spot for several minutes. There was another one to the left but I guess the camera couldnt pick it up because of its distance.

The ones in the picture they moved oddly as if they were skipping. I would see it in one place, it would disappear and appear in a different position. 3 of them where doing this while the other 2 seemed to remain stationary.

[Dr. Mirdad]

Sweetpumper, on 31 January 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

Too bad we can't get much from those.  How would you describe what you were filming?

Is this a better picture?

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Edited by Dr. Mrdad, 01 February 2013 - 11:46 PM.

[scowl]

Dr. Mrdad, on 31 January 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

http://www.flickr.co...tream/lightbox/

http://www.flickr.co...tream/lightbox/



I got a few more photos.

They're short vapor trails lit by the setting sun.

[Dr. Mirdad]

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scowl, on 02 February 2013 - 12:14 AM, said:

They're short vapor trails lit by the setting sun.

The video and the picture wasnt taken in the same year and trust me they weren't sun lit vapor trails. I know the difference between the two. If they were, then they must be some smart ass clouds to move the way they did.

[Chrlzs]

They indeed look exactly like short vapour trails lit by the sun.  And yes, they can be quite impressive looking and 'unexplainable' if you haven't seen them before.

They are the right shape, the Sun's in the right place, they seem to be moving within the right sort of angular velocity range - ie behind the moving aircraft - even though it's difficult to tell on such low-quality footage.

Please be specific, MrDad, what was the 'smart ass' movement, precisely?  Was that the only 'difference between the two'?  If not, what other things applied that made them impossible to be vapour trails?  If it was the 'skipping', haven't you ever seen that effect when an aircraft is travelling through variable conditions?  It's quite common for the trails to vanish and reappear in short bursts as the conditions change - for *exactly* the same reason that cirrus clouds often look like ripples of sand..


As for the OP, am I missing something rather flamin' obvious - he says he has footage..  Um, where would that be?

[Dr. Mirdad]

Chrlzs, on 02 February 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

They indeed look exactly like short vapour trails lit by the sun.  And yes, they can be quite impressive looking and 'unexplainable' if you haven't seen them before.

They are the right shape, the Sun's in the right place, they seem to be moving within the right sort of angular velocity range - ie behind the moving aircraft - even though it's difficult to tell on such low-quality footage.

Please be specific, MrDad, what was the 'smart ass' movement, precisely?  Was that the only 'difference between the two'?  If not, what other things applied that made them impossible to be vapour trails?  If it was the 'skipping', haven't you ever seen that effect when an aircraft is travelling through variable conditions?  It's quite common for the trails to vanish and reappear in short bursts as the conditions change - for *exactly* the same reason that cirrus clouds often look like ripples of sand..

The 'smart ass' movements they were making where obviously that of a an intelligently controlled craft. The way they appeared is what astonished me. Literally like a flash of light. One after another. They where appearing in the sky. Within the frame of 20 seconds they all appeared one after another. One had a circular shape and the only way to describe the other 5 would be as a band of light. Two of the "bands of light" began moving in a way where I called it skipping. It would appear one place and as I am looking at it, it would disappear and reappear in a total difference position in the sky not even relative to how a plane would travel. Simply unpredictable positioning in the sky and as they where making these astonishing maneuvers the other three appeared to be moving at dead slow rate. Then one out of three that where moving dead slow started to do this skipping maneuver as well. At that point I realized they werent vapor trails and tryed to take as much pictures as I could.

The difference between the two sightings is that the object in the video remained stationary in the sky. It didn't move out of its position. There was three of them only one appeared on the camera. These band of lights just stood there dead in the sky and close enough for me to see the light moving back and forth with in the band. I watched it for about 5 min before I decided it was worth trying to record. After putting down my Phone down I turned away for a few seconds  and when I came back they were gone. I mean like 45 second and all three where gone. The ones in the picture couldve have been the same crafts because they looked very similar but they did not behave in the same manner. The ones in the picture 3 out of the 5 of were moving around or skipping as I like to say, while 2 of them remained stationary for sometime. This sighting happened in about a 6 min time frame. Out of the 3 that where skipping, one just simply kept skipping away in the direction of south east(relative to the picture) across the sky. Then out of the 2 remaining one skipped its way heading north. The last moving band of light was now skipping its way eastward. Then out of 2 that remained 1 began doing the same skipping maneuver south bound but at a much slower rate until it was out of sight. Then the last remain band of light moved eastward until it was out of sight, what was odd is that the last one did not skip. It simply glided across the sky until it was out of sight. I was so busy watching the bands of light I didnt pay attention to what happened with the circular object.

I have seen vapor trails and have seen the effects that aircrafts produce in the sky in variable conditions. I have lived on the top floor all my life and I live close to an airport so I see these effects everyday. I have an amazing view of the sky. I have been sky watching for many years now. I know the difference. I know how easily airplanes and jets can be confused for UFO's trust me I know. But when it comes to what was seen that that day or those two specific occasions. I know those weren't vapor trails, clouds, jets or a plane. These where not objects of human origin by my conclusion. How they moved was beyond explanation, it one of those things you would have to see for yourself.

I was also able to take a picture last year of 2 similar bands of light  accompanied by a triangular craft. I will upload it as well. You will have to save the picture and view on photo viewer and when you zoom in.. well.. you will see its exact shape for yourself. I never noticed it myself until I was looking at pictures for close ups on the crafts. I will still put a zoomed picture of it here. I will also upload a better picture of the 6 crafts.



Here is the same photo zoomed.





Here is another photo non zoomed where you can see 6 of them



Here is the photo zoomed



I'm not sorry that the pictures arent of better quality because my cell phone camera was all I had at the time. A blackberry 9100. I have more pictures if you want. These photo where taken in brooklyn ny on 10/19/10, 10 sec apart.

Edited by Dr. Mrdad, 02 February 2013 - 03:51 PM.

[Dr. Mirdad]

Here the other picture I was speaking. The one with the band of light with the triangular craft

Here is the original with no exposure adjustment or zoom.




Here is a close up. You can see it is 3 crafts, 2 of which are similar to the ones in previous photo provided. One it next to the triangular craft and one is emerging from the tree line.




Here is a closer picture of the band of light with the triangular craft.



And heres a Zoom up of the triangular craft.







Here is another photo unedited of one Band of light that was behind the tree line moving east ward relative to the photo.



Here a photo with adjusted exposure non zoomed



These were taken on 3/11/12 brooklyn ny.

[DKO]

Sorry Dr. Mrdad, but your photos look exactly like vapour trails being lit up by the sun, just like the others have said. I live on the coast and watch the sunset most nights.

[Chrlzs]

Dr. Mrdad, on 02 February 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

The 'smart ass' movements they were making where obviously that of a an intelligently controlled craft.

You mean .. like a commercial airliner?

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Literally like a flash of light. One after another. They where appearing in the sky. Within the frame of 20 seconds they all appeared one after another.

Earlier, I pointed out that at high altitudes, the conditions for contrails may vary erratically and rapidly.  As I said earlier, have you not seen the ripple effect in cirrus clouds?  As an aircraft travels through such a region, it will emit short 'puffs' of vapour trails - see below.

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One had a circular shape and the only way to describe the other 5 would be as a band of light. Two of the "bands of light" began moving in a way where I called it skipping. It would appear one place and as I am looking at it, it would disappear and reappear in a total difference position in the sky not even relative to how a plane would travel.

Two or more different planes, perhaps?

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Simply unpredictable positioning in the sky and as they where making these astonishing maneuvers the other three appeared to be moving at dead slow rate.

The angles at which the craft are travelling relative to your observation point can explain that:
- straight at you or away = long lasting, fairly stationary
- at a slight angle = slow moving
- at a large angle = fast moving

IF they were making 'astonishing maneuvers', then the trails would zig-zag.  You don't mention that, and none of your images show that.

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Then one out of three that where moving dead slow started to do this skipping maneuver as well.

In other words, it moved into the variable conditions I referred to.  Here's a picture:


Think about it - what would the vapour trails of a plane passing through those conditions (just before or after the cirrus clouds actually formed) look like?

Here's some links to take a look at:

http://contrailscien...ail-of-the-day/



http://www.abovetops...pg1#pid12574587

http://contrailscien...oken-contrails/

http://contrailscien...look-like-ufos/

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At  that point I realized they werent vapor trails

Incorrectly, in my opinion.

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and tryed to take as much pictures as I could.

As I and DKO have pointed out - the video and pictures only show things that look and behave exactly like sunlit contrails.  I used to see these frequently when living in a town that was under many high level flight paths going e-w (where I am now, contrails are quite rare and they don't often line up with a sunset).

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The difference between the two sightings is that the object in the video remained stationary in the sky.

So, it was close to head on.

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After putting down my Phone down I turned away for a few seconds  and when I came back they were gone. I mean like 45 second and all three where gone.

So either the aircraft had moved to a region where it was no longer conducive to contrails, or the Sun's rays were now blocked by a cloud (or the horizon).  Sunsets are often quite fleeting for that reason..

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The ones in the picture couldve have been the same crafts

Craft?  I see nothing but tiny unresolved lit-up areas in those images - you cannot blow things up 10 times and think that the little haloes around them indicate 'craft' - they are simply jpeg artefacts, automatic contrast enhancements and made-up detail created by whatever software was used to enlarge them.

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I have seen vapor trails and have seen the effects that aircrafts produce in the sky in variable conditions.

And you haven't seen the 'skipping effect'?  Then I'm afraid your experience is incomplete.

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I have lived on the top floor all my life and I live close to an airport so I see these effects everyday.

Then perhaps you need to get a decent camera, and hope for a repeat of the antics you didn't capture in these images.

[thewonderman]

Forget this guys photos what about that video in the OP ? If thats not aliens then wtf is it?