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[psyche101]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

The fact that different people in different parts of the world went to the trouble of making sculptures of that same type creature is what's significant to me. Maybe it means nothing, but maybe it means more than nothing.

It does not mean nothing, and it does not mean that aliens had to influence such. It means that people all over the world were inspired by hunting aspects of certain animals. The keen eyesight of a raptor, the agility if a feline, the sheer power of a bear. That is why some cultures have multi totems, to pay homage to the many amazing evolutionary traits of these skilled creatures.

[psyche101]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

We don't know if it's fact or not, but if there are beings from other star systems dropping by here it's pretty likely that they can do it imo. Also it's much more likely than not that there are beings doing that in some parts of the universe, regardless of whether or not any beings around here can do it. All we know for fact is that none of the beings from this star system can do it.

I disagree it is not likely at all. It is likely that man has used his imagination. Space is not something you just jump across like a brook, it is unimaginably vast. We also have literally millions of people listening and looking up 24/7/365. If space was busy, we woud have heard something, fact is our corner at least is quiet as a mouse. From what we have to go on, it seems a safe bet that life outside of earth is a long way outside of earth. And there is no reason to believe that anyone is ahead of man at this point in time.

And beings from this part of the Universe are capable of Interstellar flight, it is a long messy, dangerous and tedious and costly proposal, but it would work. The Orion Project. Google it.

Edited by psyche101, 23 April 2012 - 11:47 PM.

[psyche101]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

It matters to everyone what they believe. If you think you know of something that proves that nothing can travel at a velocity of more than 186K miles per second relative to anything at all in the universe, then just present whatever you think it is. Why would you expect me to try to find it for you?

Why would I try to find that which I have already given you several times in the way of links, youtube drawn out explanations and pictures. I know what proves it and I have handed it to you on a platter time and again. You seem to have some aversion to Einstein. Or you simply do not understand E=MC2 and are too ashamed to admit so.

[psyche101]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

When people don't have enough confidence in their links to present quotes from them that support what they're trying to get me to believe, then I know better than to waste my time trying to go find it for them since they can't share exactly what it is for themselves/yourself.

I have presented many, I simply refuse to repeat that process time and again because you were too lazy to click them the first time around. Do not blame me for your own laziness.

What I do see is a distinct lack of links that back your claims. You have presented much hand waving and logic that defies belief, but that is about it. And you have been asked by several to show us the passages that you claim are definitive proof of Extra Terrestrial visitation. All you reply with is read the scripts, indicating you have not done so yourself.

[psyche101]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

I thought I told you that I believe the re-buiding idea does not apply to the thing that looks like a helicopter but in case I didn't, I don't believe the re-building idea applies to the thing that looks like a helicopter. Not to any of the other things that look exactly like air vehicles and nothing else, that are carved into the same area as the thing that looks like a helicopter either. So far you've given no acceptable option as to what they could be representing other than the air vehicles they so clearly appear to represent.

Perhaps it would have been more prudent for you to tell me that you refuse the expert testimony of professionals in the field and prefer your own personal musings that make you feel better abut calling these artifacts helicopters and planes. That you disagree with the best academics in the field does not fill me with confidence amazingly enough. It tells me y=that you are wrong if anything.

Do you honestly feel that your fantasy is more accurate that the University names I mentioned?


Aidan Dodson
University of Bristol


Susan Tower Hollis
Center Director/Associate Dean
Central New York Center, SUNY ESC

Eugene Cruz-Uribe
Associate Dean
College of Social and Behavioral Sciences
Northern Arizona University

Barbara Lesko
Brown University

Tine Bagh
Carsten Niebuhr Institute
University of Copenhagen

Mike Dyall-Smith from the University of Melbourne

Ms. Katherine Griffis-Greenberg, from the University of Alabama at Birmingham (USA). Ms. Griffis-Greenberg is also a member of the American Research Center in Egypt and of the International Association of Egyptologists "Special Studies":


There are the names and qualifications again as you seem to be ignoring them. All of these testify that the Abydos Helicopter is a direct result of palimpsest. You fantasy does not come close to comparing with the descriptions and investigation already done by specialist academics to determine this. You are only letting yourself down to refuse expert testimony for fantasy. Although considering your inspiration is Hollywood for a larger amount of your "claims" this comes as no surprise at all really.

[psyche101]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

What you suggest again! does not apply to the depictions of things that look exactly like air vehicles. Try again. Maybe your third attempt will actually get close, but judging by the last two complete failures I doubt your third go could be any better, if you even can make a third attempt.

Absolute codswallop. There is no reason the descriptions cannot fit natural phenomena in some cases, and story telling in others. You have convinced yourself, but have completely failed to convince any other on this site of your fantasy notions. You have not once posted a single description, so I maintain that you are interpreting them in your own fashion to say what you want them to say so that you can chase aliens. I feel you are raping the ancient records for your own imaginative fantasy.

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

If other intelligent beings had deliberate influence on how things have developed on this planet, then it does help for those of us who are able to consider the possibility. Also I try to be as open minded as possible and consider all the possibilities which seem realistically possible, and the possibility that we are living on a project planet of other superior beings from some other star system(s) is certainly a realistic possibility, regardless of people who can't appreciate it as such.

If they did, there is no evidence of it. You have read a few old tales that you have decided to interpret this way, That is just so far away from evidence or proof that only the vastness of space could serve as an allegory to indicate how far off the mark you are. You are not being open minded at all, just thinking about Aliens does not make one open minded contrary to believers belief. It means that you are closed minded and can only see one option. And there is no reason at all to believe it contains any accuracy whatsoever based on your presentation. You give yourself far too much credit.

We have been over your project planet nonsense, lets leave that rubbish at the door and get to the real debate post the specific references that convince you. Not your interpretation of them, not a loose reference to "go find a book" I want exactly what you feel is convincing about your huge and colourful tale. Post it I dare you.

[psyche101]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

I accept that maybe nothing can travel faster than 186K miles per second relative to anything else in the universe, but I believe it is so unlikely that I have great confidence it's not the case.

Why do you have confidence that it is not the case? You have failed miserably in providing any references, and it has taken the entire thread for you to finally admit that 186,000 is the upper limit as proposed by man.

You have not proposed why you have confidence, just that you want to.

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Also considering the vastness of the universe it seems more likely than not to me that there are beings in the universe who can travel considerably faster than 186K miles per second relative to a number of things, even if none of them have ever been to this planet.

So you still do not understand E=MC2. Well, one cannot say I did not try to help you understand it! If you had been abe to wrap your head around matter-energy transfer, you would see why your proposal lacks sense.

Why do you feel another life form has managed to re-write physics and overcome the insane barriers that faster than light travel offers? What reason could you have for insisting that the universe is different in principal for other species? Why do physics apply to some species and not others? Cannot happen that way can it?

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 11:27 PM, said:

Also I would be more surprised to learn that there are no beings with project planets anywhere in the universe, than I would to learn that we live on one.

Because you think it is a kewlers idea? I have seen you present no other reasoning? I think it is very illogical to regurgitate the works of a master and present them as some sort of personal hypothesis. I cannot see why you would think this is the case, and earth has a geological history that conflicts with this imaginative ideal.

[psyche101]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

How "large" a percentage of the universe do you think 8 light years is? How much less of a billionth of the universe do you think this supposedly not puny distance represents? Do you think it's less than a 2 billionth? Less than a ten billionth? Less than a hundred billionth...?

The Universe is ever expanding, one day the stars we can see now will be too distant for our astronomers to view. So what on earth does the proportional size of the Universe with relation to our solar system have to do with crossing space? It still takes Voyager 17,500 years to reach one light year out from the solar system no matter how big or compressed space is.

Percentages do not help one overcome distance. What on earth are you thinking? This proposal makes no sense at all I am afraid.

Edited by psyche101, 24 April 2012 - 01:21 AM.

[Sensible Logic]

nopeda, on 17 April 2012 - 09:50 PM, said:

I believe it moves at the same velocity relative to its point of emission and nothing else other than possibly the emitter itself.

So if you are standing 10 feet down the line from the emitter/emission point of the light source, what speed is the light traveling when it passes you?

[Myles]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 11:37 PM, said:

How "large" a percentage of the universe do you think 8 light years is? How much less of a billionth of the universe do you think this supposedly not puny distance represents? Do you think it's less than a 2 billionth? Less than a ten billionth? Less than a hundred billionth...?

Game over!
This statement shows your exact level of education and understanding.    The % has absolutly nothing to do with any of this discussion.  
My house is 400 miles away from downtown St. Louis.  Can I walk there in a week.  Probably not.  Oh wait!   It's only 1.6% of the way around the planet.  I can walk it today!

[Oniomancer]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 10:28 PM, said:

The fact that different people in different parts of the world went to the trouble of making sculptures of that same type creature is what's significant to me. Maybe it means nothing, but maybe it means more than nothing.

Except that where the ancient examples are concerned, these "different parts of the world" are all within easy trading distance of each other. The one modern example included is a good illustrator because it was copied conceptually directly from the others.

[Oniomancer]

nopeda, on 23 April 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

I thought I told you that I believe the re-buiding idea does not apply to the thing that looks like a helicopter but in case I didn't, I don't believe the re-building idea applies to the thing that looks like a helicopter. Not to any of the other things that look exactly like air vehicles and nothing else, that are carved into the same area as the thing that looks like a helicopter either. So far you've given no acceptable option as to what they could be representing other than the air vehicles they so clearly appear to represent.

It takes a certain willful inattention not to notice that the thing that looks like a helicopter only looks like a helicopter because parts of it are being cut off. It takes as just as much to ignore the fact that the AE didn't use hieroglyphs to represent things. It's like noting that an S looks like a snake so it's depicting a snake.

[runekazter]

nopeda, on 19 March 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

People often suggest I go and read long things in an attempt to try to find something to back up what they're trying to get me to believe. I feel that they're trying to trick me into wasting a lot of time, and that if there actually was anything supporting what they're encouraging me to believe they would just share it. So...if you think there's anything in there to make a person feel it's somehow impossible that beings from other star systems have been to this planet too, then just share it. Otherwise I believe it does not exit, and even if you do end up sharing something you think does the job I might not think so and still may believe it does not exist.

  yea man i tried to review this 130 page thread and couldnt get past the first 20 pages of "you are stupid" posts

[runekazter]

Since most of the posts are against the idea other beings provided man with it's technology at some point, I will say that i agree with you some. But really I think it is just as likely it's all man man made. even though i accept the possibility we are visited by aliens i also believe it is just as possible the visitors are not aliens but beings from the future. If they are bending space they are bending time. I am always amazed at how critical the community is on a site where you expect to find a lot of open minds. my definition of open mind would better be described as acceptance that you don't have the answers. I guess a lot of people come to a site called UM to provide the explanation. as far as the mysterious architecture -much of the evidence one might give to point to aliens really could also be used to state that civilization is much older than anticipated. technology and culture can be lost through many things such as, natural catastrophe and war. But everyone needs to take a step back and accept we don't know enough about the ancient cultures to give a definate answer.

[Myles]

runekazter, on 24 April 2012 - 08:02 PM, said:

Since most of the posts are against the idea other beings provided man with it's technology at some point, I will say that i agree with you some. But really I think it is just as likely it's all man man made. even though i accept the possibility we are visited by aliens i also believe it is just as possible the visitors are not aliens but beings from the future. If they are bending space they are bending time. I am always amazed at how critical the community is on a site where you expect to find a lot of open minds. my definition of open mind would better be described as acceptance that you don't have the answers. I guess a lot of people come to a site called UM to provide the explanation. as far as the mysterious architecture -much of the evidence one might give to point to aliens really could also be used to state that civilization is much older than anticipated. technology and culture can be lost through many things such as, natural catastrophe and war. But everyone needs to take a step back and accept we don't know enough about the ancient cultures to give a definate answer.

Good post.

But we do know enough to give a very likely, educated answer.  99% of the top scientists on the planet do not think that any of what Nopeda spews is accurate.  I put my trust in them since the evidence leads me to the same conclusion.  Just like the flying fish sculptures of South America that quacks think are ancient airplanes.   It's just as dumb as thinking that those carvings are of helicopters.  It is not rational to think that a much more advanced being from across the universe uses the same equipment us humans are using right now.