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#31    regeneratia

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

So basically, like all the other forums I have posted these questions on, no one here has directly lost a child at Sandy Hook, while no one directly knows someone who lost at child at Sandy Hook, and also no one directly knows someone who directly knows someone who lost a child at Sandy Hook.

You are right, poster. I have the means, I have the time. I guess I am going to have to GO there to meet someone who lost a child at Sandy Hook. Because this tragedy, IMHO, did not really touch anyone's life, until I do meet them.
But it sure was a handy litlte motivating factor in the petition to end gun rights, which totally backfired on them, as this country's populous is three times more armed than ever before.

As far as I am concerned, I am sitting on the fence regarding Sandy Hook. I cannot assume that it ever happened.

Edited by regeneratia, 19 February 2013 - 02:48 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 02:55 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 18 February 2013 - 09:35 PM, said:

"The truth is, the world is terrible enough without recourse to inventing malice to walk hand in hand with tragedy" - Me.

tell that to the AMORAL generals of the USA. PK Dick was right: Generals will stir up troubles instead of being rendered obsolete.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 15 February 2013 - 03:14 AM, said:

I am wondering if anyone here directly knows someone who lost a child at Sandy Hook.

I am wondering if anyone here directly knows someone who directly knows someone who lost a child at Sandy Hook.

Please let me know, if so. No names, please.

You can take a look at video i posted in previous Sandy Hook thread... There was a girl which allegedly died in shooting even thou she is alive today... A facebook profile saying her name and Rip beside it was created 3 days before shooting.. Her mother was outraged... The car which the suspect drove was registered to someone else entirely not to anyone from suspects family...

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:47 PM

I probably live closer to the place then anyone here, but no I dont directly know anyone involved

Some things are true, even if you dont believe them.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 04:49 PM

At this point considering all the graphic photographic attention every other mass school shooting received I have to jump back on the fence myself.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 05:15 PM

Just because people aren't members of forums you go to does not mean they don't exist. I'm sure if I went looking for people who knew some random murder victim that I wouldn't be able to find anyone. Doesn't mean that murder didn't happen or that the government was behind it.


Sandy Hook was horrible and it can be hard to believe that a single person could do such acts but trying to invent conspiracy theories do no good. Blame the person who committed these murders instead of manufacturing ways to somehow blame this on the government. The government didn't do crap. It was a guy who decided that he wanted to kill a bunch of people.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 08:30 PM

View Posthatecraft, on 15 February 2013 - 03:25 AM, said:

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Well, you really have to think for that answer. Are you up for it?

View PostCorp, on 19 February 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Just because people aren't members of forums you go to does not mean they don't exist. I'm sure if I went looking for people who knew some random murder victim that I wouldn't be able to find anyone. Doesn't mean that murder didn't happen or that the government was behind it.


Sandy Hook was horrible and it can be hard to believe that a single person could do such acts but trying to invent conspiracy theories do no good. Blame the person who committed these murders instead of manufacturing ways to somehow blame this on the government. The government didn't do crap. It was a guy who decided that he wanted to kill a bunch of people.

Oh yes, I remember you. The fluoride lover.
I suspect you get paid to put your viuews here.

Generally I have a sense of dread over issues like this. If I see roadkill, I feel for the animal. I sense it. I do not have dread and/or a sense of loss regarding the Sandy Hook issue. That is why I asked the questions.

In this day and age of deliberate abstraction from the whole by the media, I cannot abstract from the global view. I believe that there is far more to this issue than what we are supposed to believe. I don't think what I am told to think. Why do you?

Edited by regeneratia, 19 February 2013 - 08:39 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:06 PM

View PostCorp, on 19 February 2013 - 05:15 PM, said:

Just because people aren't members of forums you go to does not mean they don't exist. I'm sure if I went looking for people who knew some random murder victim that I wouldn't be able to find anyone. Doesn't mean that murder didn't happen or that the government was behind it.


Sandy Hook was horrible and it can be hard to believe that a single person could do such acts but trying to invent conspiracy theories do no good. Blame the person who committed these murders instead of manufacturing ways to somehow blame this on the government. The government didn't do crap. It was a guy who decided that he wanted to kill a bunch of people.

I'm pretending I'm on a Grand Jury investigating the incident.  From the evidence I've seen so far, I'm not even sure that anybody was killed.  If they were killed, I don't see any proof yet, I mean proof, not just allegations, that Lanza did it.

Pardon my skepticism, but the last time I believed any old government statement, it was that Pat Tillman was killed by enemy fire.


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Posted 19 February 2013 - 09:47 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 19 February 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

Oh yes, I remember you. The fluoride lover.
I suspect you get paid to put your viuews here.

No more than what you get paid for posting your views here.

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Generally I have a sense of dread over issues like this. If I see roadkill, I feel for the animal. I sense it. I do not have dread and/or a sense of loss regarding the Sandy Hook issue. That is why I asked the questions.

In this day and age of deliberate abstraction from the whole by the media, I cannot abstract from the global view. I believe that there is far more to this issue than what we are supposed to believe. I don't think what I am told to think. Why do you?

So a dead skunk made you feel bad but twenty dead kids gets nothing? Sorry but that doesn't put you in the best light. Just because you had no emotional reaction to the murders does not mean it was faked. Personal gut feelings are not evidence.

I think whenever I want. However I don't go looking for evil government plots when there are none. There's enough bad stuff in the world without loading up on the paranoia. And I'm also not so disrespecful to claim that parents who have had their children cruelly taken away from them are lying and that their pain is meaningless. Perhaps as others have said you should go to Sandy Hook and talk to the people there. Visit the graves. Talk to the parents who will never see their children again. Maybe then you'll have an emotional reaction.


View PostBabe Ruth, on 19 February 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

I'm pretending I'm on a Grand Jury investigating the incident.  From the evidence I've seen so far, I'm not even sure that anybody was killed.  If they were killed, I don't see any proof yet, I mean proof, not just allegations, that Lanza did it.

Pardon my skepticism, but the last time I believed any old government statement, it was that Pat Tillman was killed by enemy fire.

What evidence would statisfy you? Seeing the medical reports? Seeing video of the murders taking place. Physically examining the bodies of the children? We can't be everywhere at once so you can't personally investigate every single murder that takes place in the world. You need to accept that those investigating the crimes aren't all evil government agents out to lie to the public for pointless reasons.

It's fine to be skeptical of the government, you should be, but someone holding to the idea that Sandy Hook was completely faked leaves skeptism behind and goes into the land of paranoia. Yes the government lies, they lie a lot, but this doesn't mean that anything that any level of government anywhere is a lie. There's plenty of truth mixed in with those lies.

Plus the whole "theory" has no benefit for the government. They invent a bunch of people and then "kill" them just to put in some gun reforms that will be thrown out as soon as the GOP wins an election? And which some states are refusing to follow? And which they were talking about putting into place before the murders even happened? The risks just don't match the rewards. And during this time no one in the town has said anything about the fake people, no one in the media has found something odd, and no one involved has leaked out information? The government would love to be half that effective. The truth is that it's not. The left hand doesn't know what the right is doing and most of the time the right is a bit hazy on the idea as well.

Now has the government jumped on the murders as a way of pushing their policies? Yes, of course they have. But did they set up the murders? No and I have seen no evidence to remotely suggest this. Just what seems to be an effort to pin this tragedy on the government born not out of fact but from personal bias and mistrust. That something this horrible must have been a government plot because all bad things come from them or something. And frankly this view is disrespectful to the victims and their families. Let's put the blame on the murderer, where it belongs, instead of trying to make it into something it's not.

Edited by Corp, 19 February 2013 - 09:48 PM.

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Posted 19 February 2013 - 10:10 PM

To be fair, I doubt if Sandy Hook victims relatives frequent Sandy Hood threads.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 12:20 AM

I'm kinda on the fence about the whole thing myself, but what really struck me as odd (and I'm sure nearly everyone here has seen it) is the way Robbie Parker switches so suddenly from being smiling and happy to being the grieving dad (it starts at about 8:11 if you want to watch it):


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:06 AM

Below is a pro-gun video, from a " witness "....

You CP people were all ways shallow, but this is a all time low. As i said, get off your ass, go to that town, and try to say it is all fake. And please film it, I would leave to see the ass beating. ( deserved )






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Posted 20 February 2013 - 02:46 PM

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No, I do not need to examine the bodies.  But I would be very impressed if I could be shown some video of the shooter entering the school.  Or some video or photos of the rooms in which the shooting took place.

I would be far less suspicious if FEMA had not been conducting a similar exercise at a school 15 miles away.  I would be far less suspicious if there were not visible signs near the school stating "all participants must check in".  I would be far less suspicious if the SSDI had Lanza in there on the day of the incident rather than the day before.  Ditto with the various stories I hear about Facebook oddities and dates. (I don't do Facebook)

I would be less suspicious if that 20 year old untrained shooter had missed a few and wounded a few instead of killing everybody, all small targets.  I've fired the M-16 and other such rifles and find it most unusual that he was such a good shot in the circumstances he was in.  I think he outshot the fabled Seal Team 6 in their mythical event.

I would be less suspicious if the state police and emergency systems had not been changed that very day.  And I would be less suspicious if the whole darn thing did not sound so scripted, the little bit of the police radio talk that I have listened to.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 19 February 2013 - 02:46 PM, said:

So basically, like all the other forums I have posted these questions on, no one here has directly lost a child at Sandy Hook, while no one directly knows someone who lost at child at Sandy Hook, and also no one directly knows someone who directly knows someone who lost a child at Sandy Hook.

You are right, poster. I have the means, I have the time. I guess I am going to have to GO there to meet someone who lost a child at Sandy Hook. Because this tragedy, IMHO, did not really touch anyone's life, until I do meet them.
But it sure was a handy litlte motivating factor in the petition to end gun rights, which totally backfired on them, as this country's populous is three times more armed than ever before.

As far as I am concerned, I am sitting on the fence regarding Sandy Hook. I cannot assume that it ever happened.

I think it extremely unlikely that this was any kind of conspiracy because all the evidence of conspiracy can so easily be debunked, but if it was a conspiracy then following the 'money' does not lead to the government.


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Posted 20 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 19 February 2013 - 08:30 PM, said:

Well, you really have to think for that answer. Are you up for it?



Oh yes, I remember you. The fluoride lover.
I suspect you get paid to put your viuews here.

Generally I have a sense of dread over issues like this. If I see roadkill, I feel for the animal. I sense it. I do not have dread and/or a sense of loss regarding the Sandy Hook issue. That is why I asked the questions.

In this day and age of deliberate abstraction from the whole by the media, I cannot abstract from the global view. I believe that there is far more to this issue than what we are supposed to believe. I don't think what I am told to think. Why do you?

If you have to believe that everyone who disagrees with you is being paid by some nefarious entity to believe in your ideas then they are most likely wrong.






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