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[Abramelin]

shaddow134, on 25 September 2012 - 03:27 AM, said:

Actually  Santa Claus,Father Christmas or St Nicholas came from Asia Minor (modern day Turkey) in the 4th century..

That's when you go further back, to the origin of the name only, not the person..

And as far as I know there are not many reindeer in Turkey.

[Oniomancer]

egyptian lad, on 24 September 2012 - 06:04 PM, said:

By logic: if you are a king or queen in your country, you would make a statues by different people and say its your statues?

I may give you an example, of ex president of egypt Mubarak:

Mubarak statues were made to represent himself..................NOT OTHER PEOPLE!

mubarak statues56.jpg



But King Tut according to the hypocrite archaeologist, King tut had many various statues representing him, these statues were not for one person but multi different people, So why this contradictions?

Have we got a brain???? sorry for saying, Its idiotic people who would say these statues were figurative, why shall a king leave figurative statues, while he was about glory and to be memorized like his own lookings over history, So some people and next generation would come and say : This is king tut.......His features must be all ONE and Unique!


King tut statues were for different people, Not one king:


king tut5121swz.jpg



Its not only king tut whose his statues were for different people, Most pharaoh kings and queens alike


King ramses III has many various statues represent him, they hold different people lookings.

King akhenaton also has many various statues.

King thutmosis III also

queen hatshepsut aso has many various statues.


And there are kings and queens from the grandparents who dont have statues at all, They forgot to memorize themselves and archaeologists put probability on some other statues that it was for and for.


All fabrication was made in this history, If you want to discuss egyptology.......Bring contradictions and questions on the table



I may add the statues in ancient egypt too were not public figure like freedom liberity in usa, the statues were meant to represnt the kings and queens and their lookings.

Your argument has little merit logically or artistically.

Of the 8 images presented, 4 are from tut's actual tomb. 1 and 2 are his funerary mask and sarcophagus respectively. One was found inside the other.  4 and 6 are from his funerary temple at Luxor. (Egypt, not Las Vegas, and later effaced and claimed by Horemheb BTW) 8 is a modern reconstruction of his face and 7 is his freaking mummy. Of these, 1, 2, 4 and 6 are not that different from each other.

As Cormac said, there's considerable leeway in how different artists interpret their subject. In early medieval portraiture for example most of those barely even looked like more than a cartoon of the person. Features also vary according to the age of the subject at the time the work was made.

For both points, let's take portrayals of George Washington:

http://www.thefedera...on_portrait.jpg

http://gwpapers.virg...es/trumbull.jpg

http://presidentgeor...hanportrait.jpg

http://www.history.c...ait-gilbert.jpg

http://www.wikigalle...0/painting1.jpg

http://commons.wikim...Dunlap_1783.jpg

http://www.metmuseum...b_24.109.81.jpg

http://www.nps.gov/a...71211160556.jpg

We already know there's a phase shift between classical to Amarna styles artistically during Tut's reign as well, which only adds to the differences.

[Oniomancer]

egyptian lad, on 24 September 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

The problem with you guys, u believe the archaeologists and egyptologists blindly


The mummification so called science actually never existed in ancient egypt or world wide.



Mummies were saved by Nature or god.


Some bacteria and heat,coldness,soil factors can save the dead bodies of some people unrotten with flesh


The british early archaeologists took some saved dead bodies of some people from different ages and put them into the pharaohs coffins and sarcophaguses, to create FAKE LEGEND and cheat over history that people had mummification science in the ancient times.



If you open the tombs and graves of modern people, You would find some saved dead bodies of modern people like what we call mummies.


I remember in my own city, news spread over dead guy who was buried in 1974, by the 90s people opened his tomb to put his dead father with him, they got shock and surprise by his saved body unrotten, they called the police called to come, the police rushed to surround the place of tombs and didnt allow any person to know what happen.


Of course, supersition was previaled in the city that this guy is angelic and connected to God and so.

Briefly, Some dead bodies of people be saved by nature or soil factors.



In ancient egypt: There is no record for mummifaction science.


The mad egyptologists suggested by depicted arts of Anubis the Dog God, god of afterlife and his check to the dead people in the coffin, That was mummification work.



Anubis the dog god and his check to the dead:

anubis_mummification.jpg


Is that mean a mummification??? No its rather a blessing spiritual action Not mummification.


As i said the early british archaeologists took some unrotten dead bodies for anonymous guys and put them in the coffin of pharaohs to claim it was king so and king so.


They created a myth.


Even now by their lies, they say: that stomach of mummies were brought out in some cups


SOME cheaters!


You may know mummies or unrotten dead bodies were found world wide, Not only egypt.

In mexico,persu,eithiopia,iran,china,north america,some european countries,egypt


Its all nature work, including the ones in egypt.



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when i discuss with many guys about giants subject, they would say to me"  the pharaohs had sciences of mummification, so u think they were unable to lift those large stones".


The poor guys dont know that mummification was actually a mythy and one of biggest lies that archaeologists created over ancient egypt.





You also would find, The coffin face is different than the mummy facial features because those mummies were anonymous, not bodies of kings.

So these archeologists manufactured all those scores of human-sized sarcophagi and other artifacts as well? Tore the pyramids and tombs apart to get them in, did they? Speaking of which, those ancient Egyptian giants must've really had to duck to get in there.

I suppose the fact that all but the earliest mummys are saturated with natron and preservative spices is a coincidence too.

And, that modern preservation you speak of? That's by saponification, not mummification. Completely different mechanism.

Us, blind? You believe the lies of the mystery-pushers and eat them up like so much sweet pap without even a moment's pause to question.

[Timonthy]

Ahhh I'm going to have nightmares about this thread

[Ninhursag]

The OP Reminds Me Of Myself When I First Started Reading About Alternative History And Ancient Mysteries.. I Was Also Sooo Enthusiastic About Things Like That, And Thought Everything I Read Was A Plausible Truth .. So I Can't Blame Him For Defending His Points Of View ..

However, One Must Dig Way Deeper And Read And Study Way More To Be Able To Separate Speculations And Wishful Thinking From The Facts And Truth ..

So I Wouldn't Worry Much, After Some More Studying, He Will Get There

[Quaentum]

egyptian lad, on 24 September 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

Is herodotus a god to believe him?

Maybe some guys added words to his note?


You actually make a herodotus a god of egyptology, because he was dishonest guy, he didnt write anything about the giants too.

No Herodotus was not a god of Egyptology but that's not surprising when you consider there has never been such a thing as a god of Egyptology.  Herodotus went to Egypt and wrote about what he saw and was told and while not everything he wrote is true, his account of the process is close enough to what we know about the process to be taken as valid.

If you believe his words were altered please show where his and any other sources that describe the process in a similar way were altered

Perhaps he didn't write about giants because there were no giants to write about.

egyptian lad said:

The existence of giants is found on portraits.........The huge tools that left too........the skeletons they hide.


Some guys say that ancient egyptians would write about their giantess, LOL it was their nature....would they say we were giants or something like that? they already put the giant portraits for next generations to understand how people were alike in the past.

My theory is on some of the paintings they were important people and as such painted larger to indicate that.  This is by no means a fact and someone with more knowledge of Egypt could perhaps answer that.

egyptian lad said:

Plus, as i read before:

Some hieroglyphic quotes are left like " The power of one builder of pyramids = power of 1000 men"

That's reference for a giant humans of 12 meter tall for example?

That is called hyperbole.  If it's facts you're interested in read up on the square-cube law  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square-cube_law

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If an animal were scaled up by a considerable amount, its relative muscular strength would be severely reduced, since the cross section of its muscles would increase by the square of the scaling factor while its mass would increase by the cube of the scaling factor. As a result of this, cardiovascular and respiratory functions would be severely burdened.

What that means is that a man 12 meters tall would have to use most of his strength just to stand and wouldn't have enough strength left to lift the pyramid blocks into place.

[Abramelin]

the L, on 24 September 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

From which temple is this?

Abramelin, on 25 September 2012 - 12:41 PM, said:

Ramses III with captured Libyans and other enemies, Madinet Habu temple.

http://dianabuja.wor...ke-papyrus-etc/

And here he is, Ramses the 'Giant' :

[Earl.Of.Trumps]

Abramelin, on 25 September 2012 - 10:52 AM, said:

The only bones of 'giants' ever REALLY found were those of Homo Heidelbergensis in South Africa. According to the paleontologist who found and investigated them, these guys were on average 7 feet tall. But that was many hundreds of thousands of years ago.

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EDIT:

Interview with professor Lee Berger, University of Witwatersrand:

http://www.thenakeds.../interview/833/

According to Professor Lee R. Berger of the University of Witwatersrand, numerous fossil bones indicate some populations of Heidelbergensis were "giants" routinely over 2.13 m (7 ft) tall and inhabited South Africa between 500,000 and 300,000 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia....heidelbergensis


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Not so.

http://otherworldmys...lock-nevada-usa

The red-haired giants of Nevada were quite real. I first saw this on Ancient Aliens and wondered, HOW can these skulls exist and archelogoists not really tout it, but that certainly is the case. They exist.

the entire skeletal remmians of many such creatures were found in the exact cave that local Paiute Indians said they were.
the entire community of those cratures were killed by the Paiutes and their bodies lied there until local farmers went into the cave to tke the guano from it. The farmers removed the skeletonsand disposed of them, however, several skulls remain today at a local museum.

Take a look at the jaw bone. I saw that skull  - or one similar to it, comapred to a normall human skull. the jaw bone is probably three times the thickness of a human jaw bone. these giants were alleged to have been 7 feet tall. all had red hair.

there are also giant bones found throughout various parts of South America,.
In fact, Mayan legend and ruler, Lord Pacal was a giant, an oddly enough was white skinned.

[Abramelin]

But all that proof mysteriously disappeared...

And then we have that South African professor with his 7+ feet tall Homo Heidelbergensis.

Maybe that proof will be lost soon too?

I doubt it.

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EDIT:

You consider "Ancient Aliens" a reliable source of information?


"Take a look at the jaw bone. I saw that skull  - or one similar to it"

You saw it in a museum?


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Edited by Abramelin, 25 September 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[Quaentum]

Abramelin, on 25 September 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

And here he is, Ramses the 'Giant' :

You would think that as Pharaoh he would have had more to eat or perhaps he was on a strict diet.

[Quaentum]

Earl.Of.Trumps, on 25 September 2012 - 07:15 PM, said:

Not so.

http://otherworldmys...lock-nevada-usa

The red-haired giants of Nevada were quite real. I first saw this on Ancient Aliens and wondered, HOW can these skulls exist and archelogoists not really tout it, but that certainly is the case. They exist.

the entire skeletal remmians of many such creatures were found in the exact cave that local Paiute Indians said they were.
the entire community of those cratures were killed by the Paiutes and their bodies lied there until local farmers went into the cave to tke the guano from it. The farmers removed the skeletonsand disposed of them, however, several skulls remain today at a local museum.

Take a look at the jaw bone. I saw that skull  - or one similar to it, comapred to a normall human skull. the jaw bone is probably three times the thickness of a human jaw bone. these giants were alleged to have been 7 feet tall. all had red hair.

there are also giant bones found throughout various parts of South America,.
In fact, Mayan legend and ruler, Lord Pacal was a giant, an oddly enough was white skinned.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Si-Te-Cah

[Abramelin]

Quaentum, on 25 September 2012 - 07:28 PM, said:

You would think that as Pharaoh he would have had more to eat or perhaps he was on a strict diet.

It's all a conspiracy, and you know it....

They just dumped the corpse of some old emaciated guy into a tomb, and then pretended it was good ol' Ramses.

You can't trust anyone these days. These damn scientists are all only out to prove the Bible and other mythical accounts are just that: myths.

We can't have that, right?

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Edited by Abramelin, 25 September 2012 - 07:41 PM.

[cormac mac airt]

Abramelin, on 25 September 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

And here he is, Ramses the 'Giant' :

There's a slight problem there Abramelin. The picture you show is of Ramesses II (the Great). Here is a picture of Ramesses III:

 480px-Ramses_III_mummy_head.png   177.13K   8 downloads

cormac

[Alcibiades9]

Ninhursag, on 25 September 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

The OP Reminds Me Of Myself When I First Started Reading About Alternative History And Ancient Mysteries.. I Was Also Sooo Enthusiastic About Things Like That, And Thought Everything I Read Was A Plausible Truth .. So I Can't Blame Him For Defending His Points Of View ..

However, One Must Dig Way Deeper And Read And Study Way More To Be Able To Separate Speculations And Wishful Thinking From The Facts And Truth ..

So I Wouldn't Worry Much, After Some More Studying, He Will Get There

You are pretty patronising for someone who types by giving every single word a capital letter.  Perhaps after more studying, you will get there...

[Abramelin]

cormac mac airt, on 25 September 2012 - 07:40 PM, said:

There's a slight problem there Abramelin. The picture you show is of Ramesses II (the Great). Here is a picture of Ramesses III:

480px-Ramses_III_mummy_head.png

cormac

OK, so I posted a pic of a Ramses the Not That Great.

Lol.

Those damn mummies all look alike.

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Edited by Abramelin, 25 September 2012 - 07:44 PM.