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#196    Myles

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:14 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 01 March 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Jodi claiming she shot Travis in self defence, don`t you think it has to be proven either way?
Of course, but I don't need to wait to have my own opinion.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:39 PM

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:48 PM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 01 March 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

innocent until proven guilty.

That has nothing to do with my personal opinion.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:52 PM

View Postregi, on 01 March 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

That has nothing to do with my personal opinion.

100% correct i agree with your opinion! lol did not mean to single you out either just responding back.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 04:41 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 01 March 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

Jodi claiming she shot Travis in self defence, don`t you think it has to be proven either way?

Not to me, it doesn't.

Let me explain before that gets misunderstood.
First, it doesn't matter to me what Arias claims because Arias has been shown to ALWAYS lie to benefit herself.
Regardless of that fact, I know that the murder wasn't self defense because 1) those injuries are not consistent with self defense. (In fact, the only evidence of ANY self defense is on the VICTIM'S body.)
2) The evidence also shows premeditation.... the facts and circumstances prior to and then proceeding the crime show premeditation.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 04:59 PM

View PostMyles, on 01 March 2013 - 03:14 PM, said:

Of course, but I don't need to wait to have my own opinion.

Forgive me if I offended your opinion, but what I`m trying to say, from what I viewed from the courtroom sessions, this photo is a important factor, Now the prosecuter is saying and Jodi agrees this photo was in the hallway ,so what is it? did she shoot him in the hall way as she says, or was she dragging his body from the bathroom? She admits she did kill him.I am trying to figure how by all the photos and the crime scence pictures.Then there the question how was this photo ever taken? Maybe I`m lost in all this, but I`m sure the jury must be to.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:48 PM

View Postmissterri, on 01 March 2013 - 04:43 AM, said:

It's also creeping me out a bit that I believe her when I KNOW she is a LIAR......BUT SHe NEVER wavered from her story..... she was up against a very powerful and feared lawyer...she LISTENED to the prosecutors questions so carefully and did not let him put ONE WORD in her mouth, no matter how leading his questions were.. I dont feel he tripped her up... I feel she was telling the truth on the stand & never changed it. .even so, I'm not sure that I believe it was self defense, although it could be because he certainly was no angel. &I dont think that it was premeditated at all.....I think she went there to try to get him to love her one last time & then when she knew he didnt, she  SNAPPED & went into a rage... I believed the crying on the stand  was  real & from losing him and shame at what she did. The picture of him dead and bloated in the shower has been the hardest one for her to look at throughout the trial... & for me it is the WORST one too. The talking heads kept saying that one was nt even bloody and seem to think she was just putting on an act of fake tears. I just dont think so. On the other hand I have cried for Travis and his family...SO VERY SAD, SO UNFAIR.... He had so much to live for....I am just glad I am not on that jury.

I do that too.  I find myself believing her when all I have is her word.  Then I try to use my common sense.  I think she brought the gun either to kill him or convince him to get back together with her.   She tried to cover her tracks getting to his house and that makes it premeditated in my opinion. The prosecutor played right into her hands by treating her so poorly.  I keep putting myself in her place on the stand and I have to keep reminding myself that she deserves it.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:56 PM

View PostJinxdom, on 01 March 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

Just watched a bit after this read this thread and all I can say about it is that it is one of the most entertaining things I've seen on TV in a while.

I honestly can't tell if she is guilty or innocent from the part I saw alone, the forensics are pretty much botched, the people involved are hilarious, you couldn't write a better sarcastic comedy if you tried. Then the media outlets on top of it. Coming to the conclusion that she is a psychopathic killer and claiming the lawyer is a genius by playing with an emotionally unstable person who makes bad choices, when makes her emotionally unstable by verbally attacking her then asking really bad yes or no questions, to make it look she makes bad choices. He is literally walking himself in to a non-guilty verdict by the jury and he doesn't even have a clue. Hopefully the rest of the trial wasn't played out like this.

Personally I don't really care about the outcome, just that it goes down the right way.

I think you're right.  Maybe not as far as a not guilty verdict but he will not win a DP verdict.  He has made Jodi into a sympathetic person for the normal people who have empathy on the jury.  .

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:03 PM

View Postregi, on 01 March 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

I don't know why you quoted me, and made those comments. :cry:

I can only speak for myself, but my opinion on this case WILL NOT change because the evidence is such that it's a no-brainer!, so that there's NOTHING that the defense could present which could even possibly change my opinion. Nothing.


Sorry.  I was responding to Yam and his steadfast position of not forming an opinion until all the evidence is in.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:07 PM

View PostMyles, on 01 March 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

The evidence is there and she is trying to lie to get out of what she had already admitted.  
The defense has no case.

I think maybe Yam isn't watching the trial.  He may be getting his information from the TV and not from live feed.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:22 PM

View Postregi, on 01 March 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

Hey, what can I say? I call it like I see it, and I can't help it. It comes naturally when I'm faced with certain facts. I could give consideration to what a defense presents, but in this case, it would only re-enforce my opinion! :yes:

I agree with you.  My opinion is pretty firm that Jodi murdered Travis.  It would take aliens from outer space to convince me otherwise.  And I have finally decided it was premeditated because of the length she went to to hide the fact she drove to his home with the means to kill him.  All that is left for me now is deciding on the DP or LIP.  My problem is that she is likable.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:23 PM

View Postdocyabut2, on 01 March 2013 - 04:59 PM, said:

Forgive me if I offended your opinion, but what I`m trying to say, from what I viewed from the courtroom sessions, this photo is a important factor, Now the prosecuter is saying and Jodi agrees this photo was in the hallway ,so what is it? did she shoot him in the hall way as she says, or was she dragging his body from the bathroom? She admits she did kill him.I am trying to figure how by all the photos and the crime scence pictures.Then there the question how was this photo ever taken? Maybe I`m lost in all this, but I`m sure the jury must be to.
No problem, not offended at all.   My response was more for Yam who seemed to have been getting angry with people who have made their own opinions before the verdict was given.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:30 PM

View Postregi, on 01 March 2013 - 01:44 PM, said:

The way I look at it, the sequence doesn't matter. If she shot him first, then there's no reasonable explanation for the further injuries, and if she stabbed him first, then there's no reasonable explanation for the gunshot.
Bottom line, there's no reasonable explanation for ALL of those injuries, either way.

I still think she shot him first.  That was the whole reason for bringing the gun.  Then there is the fear in his eyes in the shower photos.  If she were only holding a knife, he would have taken it away from her.  She shot him but then the gun jammed (as per her lie about the ninjas).  She went to get the knife and when she got back, he was stumbling in the hallway.  She started stabbing, he held up his hands to protect himself and backed into the bathroom.  Then he was down and she continued stabbing.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:34 PM

View PostMyles, on 01 March 2013 - 02:36 PM, said:

I don't understand why you are in such a tizzy.  Nancy Grace is a tv show.   I don't watch it, but to each their own.
This is a pretty cut and dry case.   I'm surprised it is garnering this much attention.
Well if you think that was a Tizzy you should read what I was responding to when I said it.

Why are you surprised it's garnering this much attention?    Do you have any idea how many thousands of hours were wasted on Casey Anthony?   We're way too influenced by junk food media in this country.   Nancy Grace is merely case in point.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:40 PM

View Postregi, on 01 March 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

Look, I have an opinion on this case, and that's ok because I can think what I want, whenever I want, and as far as I know, I can express my opinion here.

The sole reason I joined this board was to participate in the True Crime topic, obviously in the interest of discussing such cases, sharing information, and so on. It's rare for me personally that I have an opportunity to discuss a case that's currently on trial, but my interest in any case is in discussing the facts, circumstances, and the evidence pertaining to that particular case.
Since this case is ongoing, then I think it's reasonable to discuss the evidence as it's presented at trial, and I can do that regardless of whether or not I've formed an opinion.
Unfortunately, I see that that's not always possible.
It's difficult to discuss new facts or evidence when you're this intractable and promising that "NOTHING can change your mind. Nothing.".   So however you discuss this case from this point onward is going to be awfully predictable, right?   Can you see that at least?   I'm reserving my judgment, as the case is nowhere near done, so I'm kinda here to discuss an ongoing case myself, not bullwhip people into a static opinion I've already formed.  I gave a lot of possible ways to gather additional evidence and you didn't express any interest in any of it, you were just ready to RULE.   So no, it's not always possible.

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