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[None of the above]

'Preachng to the Choir' springs to mind, as former Archbishop of Canterbury 'Lord' Carey railed against plans to legalise gay marriage while addressing an anti-gay marriage rally in Birmingham Town Hall on the fringes of the Tory Party conference on Monday.

Cleverly exposing his own bigotry while making absurd and alarmist claims that Christians could face the type of persecuation that Jews faced in Nazi Germany, merely by speaking out against Gay marriage, 'Lord' Carey shines a light on the extremists in the Tory party while singlehandedly making the case for the abolition of the House of Lords with it's undemocratic honours for Bishops, no matter how extreme their religious views.

"Gay Marriage Could Turn Britain Into Nazi Germany, Lord Carey Tells Rally At Conservative Party Conference

Britain risks becoming a totalitarian state as a result of gay marriage and could go the way of Nazi Germany, Tory opponents of the government's plans have heard.

Addressing an anti-gay marriage rally in Birmingham Town Hall on the fringes of the Tory Party conference on Monday, the former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey said Christians had so far been "too timid" in their opposition to the government's plans.
He also warned that those of faith could even begin to experience the persecution endured by the Jews in Nazi Germany if they dared to speak out if same-sex marriage laws were passed.
"Remember that the Jews in Nazi Germany, what started it against them was when they were called names, that was the first stage towards that totalitarian state," he said."




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Edited by Atlantia, 09 October 2012 - 11:53 AM.

[and then]

Atlantia, on 09 October 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

'Preachng to the Choir' springs to mind, as former Archbishop of Canterbury 'Lord' Carey railed against plans to legalise gay marriage while addressing an anti-gay marriage rally in Birmingham Town Hall on the fringes of the Tory Party conference on Monday.

Cleverly exposing his own bigotry while making absurd and alarmist claims that Christians could face the type of persecuation that Jews faced in Nazi Germany, merely by speaking out against Gay marriage, 'Lord' Carey shines a light on the extremists in the Tory party while singlehandedly making the case for the abolition of the House of Lords with it's undemocratic honours for Bishops, no matter how extreme their religious views.

"Gay Marriage Could Turn Britain Into Nazi Germany, Lord Carey Tells Rally At Conservative Party Conference

Britain risks becoming a totalitarian state as a result of gay marriage and could go the way of Nazi Germany, Tory opponents of the government's plans have heard.

Addressing an anti-gay marriage rally in Birmingham Town Hall on the fringes of the Tory Party conference on Monday, the former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey said Christians had so far been "too timid" in their opposition to the government's plans.
He also warned that those of faith could even begin to experience the persecution endured by the Jews in Nazi Germany if they dared to speak out if same-sex marriage laws were passed.
"Remember that the Jews in Nazi Germany, what started it against them was when they were called names, that was the first stage towards that totalitarian state," he said."




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His issues with gay marriage aside, his point about discrimination against people of faith could be sound.  Anti blasphemy laws are being pushed in several countries. Declaring Christian principles is tantamount to "hate speech" in some countries.  But the whole business of gay marriage being the cause is ridiculous imo....

[Mr Right Wing]

Atlantia, on 09 October 2012 - 11:52 AM, said:

'Preachng to the Choir' springs to mind, as former Archbishop of Canterbury 'Lord' Carey railed against plans to legalise gay marriage while addressing an anti-gay marriage rally in Birmingham Town Hall on the fringes of the Tory Party conference on Monday.

Cleverly exposing his own bigotry while making absurd and alarmist claims that Christians could face the type of persecuation that Jews faced in Nazi Germany, merely by speaking out against Gay marriage, 'Lord' Carey shines a light on the extremists in the Tory party while singlehandedly making the case for the abolition of the House of Lords with it's undemocratic honours for Bishops, no matter how extreme their religious views.

"Gay Marriage Could Turn Britain Into Nazi Germany, Lord Carey Tells Rally At Conservative Party Conference

Britain risks becoming a totalitarian state as a result of gay marriage and could go the way of Nazi Germany, Tory opponents of the government's plans have heard.

Addressing an anti-gay marriage rally in Birmingham Town Hall on the fringes of the Tory Party conference on Monday, the former Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey said Christians had so far been "too timid" in their opposition to the government's plans.
He also warned that those of faith could even begin to experience the persecution endured by the Jews in Nazi Germany if they dared to speak out if same-sex marriage laws were passed.
"Remember that the Jews in Nazi Germany, what started it against them was when they were called names, that was the first stage towards that totalitarian state," he said."

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There is so much intolerance inside the gay population towards religion or anybody that disagrees with their lifestyle choice that I think the ex-Archbishop is correct.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 09 October 2012 - 01:28 PM.

[Hasina]

They only dislike religion because it's demonized their lifestyle. Do gay people force you to be gay? No. Do religious folks force people to abide by their principles? For the most part, yes.

[None of the above]

Mr Right Wing, on 09 October 2012 - 01:28 PM, said:

There is so much intolerance inside the gay population towards religion or anybody that disagrees with their lifestyle choice that I think the ex-Archbishop is correct.

And the 'Dumbass of the Week' award is yours!

Edited by Atlantia, 09 October 2012 - 03:05 PM.

[glorybebe]

My mom was horrified with the whole idea of gay marriage.  She asked me what I thought of it...I told her that I agreed with it.  And what- they going to stop being gay because they can't marry?  Just goofy to raip about it IMO.

[keithisco]

So Carey likens Gay Marriage to Nazism? Idiot - a more appropriate simile would be with Islam, where you are condemned for your personal leanings!and will end up dead.

No-one is, or even can, dictate or even legislate to enforce Religious denominations and faiths to perform Religious ceremonies that counter their beliefs. There is still a separation of State and Religion.

Carey might want to survey all of the Gay Priests in his "order" along with Roman Catholic Gay priests and then moderate his speech. Many of these priests actually predate on their altar boys and, if true to their beliefs, should burn in hell for this...

[Br Cornelius]

He is saying that he feels Christians right to object to Gay marriage is been infringed and that represents a slippery slope towards total oppression of the Christian beliefs - ala the suppression of the Jews in Nazi Germany. As such he is both factually incorrect, and living on a delusional cloud where the decline of Christianity is seen as the product of some mass conspiracy - rather than the simple fact that people have finally wised up to the churches manipulative ways.

Let the Christians object to Gay marriage - it discredits their beliefs among the increasingly secular majority, and to my mind that has got to be a good thing. There are no free lunches for people of dubious moral indignation anymore.

Br Cornelius

Edited by Br Cornelius, 09 October 2012 - 04:15 PM.

[Hasina]

keithisco, on 09 October 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

No-one is, or even can, dictate or even legislate to enforce Religious denominations and faiths to perform Religious ceremonies that counter their beliefs. There is still a separation of State and Religion.

Marriage licenses are processed by the state, not by any religious institution. It's a State thing, not a Religion thing. The ceremony is a Religion thing, true.

Edited by Hasina, 09 October 2012 - 04:30 PM.

[Bling]

What a dick

[None of the above]

And don't forget that this nut gets an automatic seat in the house of Lords!

From the Church of England website:

"26 bishops of the Church of England sit in the House of Lords. Known as the Lords Spiritual, they read prayers at the start of each daily meeting and play a full and active role in the life and work of the Upper House."

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Edited by Atlantia, 09 October 2012 - 05:05 PM.

[Corp]

Yes because the Nazis were all about gay rights.

He does have a bit of a point in regards to religious freedoms but he does a horrible job of trying to make it.

[Br Cornelius]

Corp, on 09 October 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

Yes because the Nazis were all about gay rights.

He does have a bit of a point in regards to religious freedoms but he does a horrible job of trying to make it.

What religious freedoms have been infringed ???
He is objecting simply because the country no longer accepts his opinion over their own. Its called sour grapes.

Br Cornelius

[Hasina]

'They're infringing on my religions belief to hate people! How dare they!'

[GreyWeather]

Corp, on 09 October 2012 - 05:12 PM, said:

Yes because the Nazis were all about gay rights.

He does have a bit of a point in regards to religious freedoms but he does a horrible job of trying to make it.

Duh, how do you think Hitler had such a perfectly formed 'stache?

That's right, his gay stylist!

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In an essence he is right, in that you can be called a bigot for not agree'ing to gay rights. But then, turn the tables around and they'll be shouting at you for being so bigoted for not agreeing to there viewpoints.

I don't see what harm gay marriage will propose to the church, I don't think they should be made to offer marriages to same sex couples in their church if they don't want to. But, then they should be as open to that as to those who will open their churches to same-sex marriages.

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It's not like the gov't are forcing the priests to marry each other so it doesn't exactly interfere with their own lives.

Edited by GreyWeather, 09 October 2012 - 05:26 PM.