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#4576    Slave2Fate

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:43 PM

View Postzoser, on 29 November 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

What annoys me is the way that certain people proceed; a total unwillingness to review the case that has with it a definite sense of arrogance.  No attempt at putting forward facts and reasons.  

The only arrogance I see is that we are supposed to take people's word at face value and not investigate alternative explanations? If you think it doesn't look like two metal bowls attached to each other then you are fooling yourself. Subsequently you have to ask which is more likely, that aliens have absolutely no concept of aesthetics and are quite boring in the design department so their craft look just like two bowls attached to each other, or is this a prank pulled off by a couple of tipsy fellows?

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:47 PM

View Postzoser, on 29 November 2012 - 07:39 PM, said:

It's been done a dozen or more times on this thread already. The Kumburgaz case being in my view one of the best; even Boon could not debunk it.  

There are other cases too.
He did submit  significant possibilities.  Considering their are a miriad of lighting and superstructure configurations in ships worldwide, it darn hard to dismiss all of them without seeing all of them.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:53 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 29 November 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

I don't mean a historical case, you can be sure they have been thrashed out already.
Post some video of ET at your family's Christmas dinner...that sort of thing.

I see; UFO's don't seem to fly over the Channel Islands :td:

Maybe I should invest in a DVD cam just in case.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:55 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 29 November 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

He did submit  significant possibilities.  Considering their are a miriad of lighting and superstructure configurations in ships worldwide, it darn hard to dismiss all of them without seeing all of them.

He did a good job with one of the images; the main image however just looked too unlike anything recognisable in terms of ship structures or otherwise.   Dare I say it didn't look terrrestrial.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 07:59 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

The only arrogance I see is that we are supposed to take people's word at face value and not investigate alternative explanations? If you think it doesn't look like two metal bowls attached to each other then you are fooling yourself. Subsequently you have to ask which is more likely, that aliens have absolutely no concept of aesthetics and are quite boring in the design department so their craft look just like two bowls attached to each other, or is this a prank pulled off by a couple of tipsy fellows?

It's possible that two guys were having a laugh Slave; anything is possible.  There is a youtube video of a guy throwing bowls up in the air to recreate the scenario.  It can be done.  But there are also other possibilities.  

You have to look at the entire case and sift though all the evidence.   Isn't that how good investigators proceed?

http://www.youtube.c...&v=qLqZ6DGt5rQ#!

Edited by zoser, 29 November 2012 - 08:00 PM.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:01 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

The only arrogance I see is that we are supposed to take people's word at face value and not investigate alternative explanations? If you think it doesn't look like two metal bowls attached to each other then you are fooling yourself. Subsequently you have to ask which is more likely, that aliens have absolutely no concept of aesthetics and are quite boring in the design department so their craft look just like two bowls attached to each other, or is this a prank pulled off by a couple of tipsy fellows?
most of our Satellites and Space probes weren't exactly designed with aesthetics uppermost; entirely hypothetically, if one was designing, say, a small robotic Probe for purposes of surveillance, say, if its design was suited to whatever method of flight they might use, this might be the kind of design they might choose. Entirely, as I said, hypothetically.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:13 PM

View Post747400, on 29 November 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

most of our Satellites and Space probes weren't exactly designed with aesthetics uppermost; entirely hypothetically, if one was designing, say, a small robotic Probe for purposes of surveillance, say, if its design was suited to whatever method of flight they might use, this might be the kind of design they might choose. Entirely, as I said, hypothetically.

Hey 747, you are right of course, maybe a bowl shaped craft is aesthetically pleasing to the aliens as well, who knows? It was more of a satirical observation than anything else. Honestly though, I'd be a bit disappointed if that was the culmination of alien design.

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Why don't we see any craft like this?

Edited by Slave2Fate, 29 November 2012 - 08:14 PM.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:15 PM

Here's your proof!

Extraterrestrial Mummy Found In Egypt


The body of a perfectly preserved, carefully mummified an alien was found buried in an ancient pyramid. A mysterious creature from between 150 and 160 centimeters was found by an archaeologist near Lahun when exploring a small pyramid near the Dynasty doceaba of Senusret II. However, this fact was not revealed immediately. “The mummy of what appears to be an alien, dates back more than 2000 years and it seems it would be a humanoid” said a source at the Egyptian Antiquities Department, who provided details and photographs of the find but did so under condition anonymity. “

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:18 PM

View Postzoser, on 29 November 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

I see; UFO's don't seem to fly over the Channel Islands :td:

Maybe I should invest in a DVD cam just in case.
UFO's can appear over the Channels Islands...
You're being way to serious.  My example was tongue in cheek, but you should realize by now that pictures and video of UFO's have to be exceedingly dramatic to be conclusive, not unlike the movie "Independance Day", with the best being actual evidence of an ET being.
...and a DVD cam is not a bad idea.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:21 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:

Hey 747, you are right of course, maybe a bowl shaped craft is aesthetically pleasing to the aliens as well, who knows? It was more of a satirical observation than anything else. Honestly though, I'd be a bit disappointed if that was the culmination of alien design.

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Why don't we see any craft like this?

Indeed; although a small drone would probably be more efficient for operating in atmosphere than that, or, indeed, this.

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(Incidentally, that (yours) seems to have Luftwaffe markings. :unsure2:  )

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:24 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 08:13 PM, said:



Why don't we see any craft like this?
Obviously, because that is an artist rendering of a Sirian mother ship, and if you had done research, you would know that motherships remain in high Earth orbit and are always "cloaked".  They only "uncloak" briefy to dump mixing bowls.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:27 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 29 November 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Obviously, because that is an artist rendering of a Sirian mother ship, and if you had done research, you would know that motherships remain in high Earth orbit and are always "cloaked".  They only "uncloak" briefy to dump mixing bowls.

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:29 PM

View Post747400, on 29 November 2012 - 08:21 PM, said:

(Incidentally, that (yours) seems to have Luftwaffe markings. :unsure2:  )

Yeah, I just hastily picked it out from google images and didn't notice the Luftwaffe symbol until afterwards. It was most assuredly unintentional. :blush:

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:33 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 29 November 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

Obviously, because that is an artist rendering of a Sirian mother ship, and if you had done research, you would know that motherships remain in high Earth orbit and are always "cloaked".  They only "uncloak" briefy to dump mixing bowls.

I don't know, it looks like a scouting vessel with the searchlights on it. B)


Regardless, I'm still a bit confounded by the apparent uninspired design features of supposed alien craft. 57 species (allegedly) and all we get to see are discs and spheres? <_<

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:38 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 29 November 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

Regardless, I'm still a bit confounded by the apparent uninspired design features of supposed alien craft. 57 species (allegedly) and all we get to see are discs and spheres? <_<

Less features, less problems.

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