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#16    preacherman76

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:04 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 14 May 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

The ability of conservatives to deny hard verifyiable facts in favour of ideological postures. I am not talking about soft socialogical facts here, I am talking about empirical facts derived from hard science.
Hard facts are not a problem for Liberals, assimilate and move on - Simple.


BS, Liberals ignore science when it doesnt fit thier views all the time. Little things like the statistical odds of life creating its self are completly ignored.

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A belief system which denies reality in favour of belief is dangerous.

Take for example those who advocate the belief in small government, and yet voted for people like Bush and Reagon who both presided over a growth in national government. Ideology denies reality.

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Well thats not really fair to say. Both Reagon and Bush talked a real good game about small government. I do agree with you regarding the people who voted for them a second time. But its not like there was much choice. Thats why I personaly no longer vote for the president. Nor will I till a true conservative gets the knod. Though the bank will never let that happen.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:56 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 14 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

BS, Liberals ignore science when it doesnt fit thier views all the time. Little things like the statistical odds of life creating its self are completly ignored.

I think this somewhat proves Br. Cornelius' point.  From your statement, I get the impression that you believe because something has long odds that it is impossible.  When I see long odds, not only do I think it is possible but I can see with what frequency it occurs.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:35 AM

The creationists ignore the fact that there was a period of about 4 billion years on earth over which only one "accident" needed to happen. That represents a potential for a near infinite number of failures to occur along the way. It only took one success out of those trillions upon trillions of failure for life to begin. Each of the critical early evolutionary steps towards cellular life had 100's of millions of years to develop, so it is not even true that life developed suddenly - rather it evolved over billions of years from its component parts to eventually become life as we would recognise it. Each step is recorded in the genetic code which we each carry around in every cell of our body, and a rough cronology of the steps can even be worked out by tracing them down the phytological tree.
I would say with those odds it makes the occurance of life an almost certain probability on any planet which has the conditions capable of supporting life.

Contemplating the number of attempts the planet had to create life is like contemplating the infinitie or God, beyond our ability to grasp.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 14 May 2013 - 11:55 AM.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:41 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 14 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:

BS, Liberals ignore science when it doesnt fit thier views all the time.

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Liberals deny science sometimes...   For example, is that a man or a woman in the above photo?
Well, even though science will tell you 100% of the time that it is indeed a man, a liberal will ignore science.  A liberal will say..."Well, it depends what the above person considers himself.  If the above person thinks he's a woman, than he is a woman."

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 05:55 PM

View PostGromdor, on 14 May 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

I think this somewhat proves Br. Cornelius' point.  From your statement, I get the impression that you believe because something has long odds that it is impossible.  When I see long odds, not only do I think it is possible but I can see with what frequency it occurs.

To the trained mind complexity is not impossibility but a dim lightbulb. Something that makes it more difficult to work in but not impossible.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 08:30 AM

View Posttapirmusic, on 14 May 2013 - 05:41 PM, said:

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Liberals deny science sometimes...   For example, is that a man or a woman in the above photo?
Well, even though science will tell you 100% of the time that it is indeed a man, a liberal will ignore science.  A liberal will say..."Well, it depends what the above person considers himself.  If the above person thinks he's a woman, than he is a woman."

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A Liberal will not see the issue in humouring the person who has gender identification issues, because he will not be able to see the harm in doing so. Harm is the loadstone of the Liberals opinion forming faculties.

The Conservative on the other hand will believe that his own personal prejudices should form the basis of societal laws.

The reality is that people with gender identification issues are real and it does no-one any good to deny that.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:36 AM

How's this the difference is how the agendas are carried out the conservative agenda can survive without government. usually the government hinders the conservative agenda which is why conservatives want smaller government.

while the liberal agenda needs government the bigger the government the easier it is for the liberal agenda to move forward if you take away government their agenda would die.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:20 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 15 May 2013 - 08:30 AM, said:

A Liberal will not see the issue in humouring the person who has gender identification issues, because he will not be able to see the harm in doing so. Harm is the loadstone of the Liberals opinion forming faculties.

The Conservative on the other hand will believe that his own personal prejudices should form the basis of societal laws.

The reality is that people with gender identification issues are real and it does no-one any good to deny that.

Br Cornelius

This deserves it's own thread methinks.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:39 PM

Gender identification issues, lol. I've heard it all now.
If you're confused, drop your pants and look in the mirror. Please do not argue against that while at the same time saying you believe in cold hard scientific facts because if what you see in the mirror isn't cold hard scientific fact at its most basic levels I don't know what is.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:42 PM

Gender identification issues, though possibly real, used to be classified under a different term in prePC times. That term would be 'crazy' but I'm no doctor....


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:46 PM

View PostF3SS, on 15 May 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

Gender identification issues, lol. I've heard it all now.
If you're confused, drop your pants and look in the mirror. Please do not argue against that while at the same time saying you believe in cold hard scientific facts because if what you see in the mirror isn't cold hard scientific fact at its most basic levels I don't know what is.

:lol:  You know I don't agree with you, but that did make me laugh so I had to like it.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 09:55 PM

Thanks Michelle. Glad I can say things like that to some people and not get into a morality debate about it.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:18 PM

View PostF3SS, on 15 May 2013 - 09:55 PM, said:

Thanks Michelle. Glad I can say things like that to some people and not get into a morality debate about it.

You're are just being you. :tu:

Edited by Michelle, 15 May 2013 - 10:19 PM.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:26 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 14 May 2013 - 10:04 AM, said:


Well thats not really fair to say. Both Reagon and Bush talked a real good game about small government. I do agree with you regarding the people who voted for them a second time. But its not like there was much choice. Thats why I personaly no longer vote for the president. Nor will I till a true conservative gets the knod. Though the bank will never let that happen.

May I suggest voteing Libertarian? :whistle:

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:42 PM

My friend was born a girl, throughout his entire life though he indentified himself as a boy.  A few years ago he underwent sex reassignment surgery to look like how he felt i.e. a man.

Biologically, he is a girl, no-one denies that, not even him, it's incontrivertible, he has XX chromosomes, case closed.  It's just that his brain, somehow, got it's wires crossed and that led to him suffering mentally.  His surgery wasn't him denying what he was biologically, it was just to make him feel comfortable in his own skin.  I'm sure if there was medication or a miracle cure to stop him from thinking he was a man he'd have taken it but there wasn't, so surgery was the next best option.

I actually met him after he had his surgery and it wasn't until a few weeks later that I found out he wasn't biologically a man.  I was shocked, I almost didn't believe it, because as far as I was concerned, he looked like a man, walked like a man, talked like a man, acted like a man.

I'm quite happy to consider him as one of the guys, to humour him costs nothing and harms no-one.

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