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[secretinvader]

Can we be harmed during astral.. I mean for example we walk through the fire, swim in the middle of the sea or fight with wild animals??

[Seeker79]

Noo

[Amirali-]

Well, Guys I am new to the website but not to the concept, what I would like to ask is a bit wiered, because I feel something separating from my body without even imaging or suggesting to myself about this type of experience . but I hold no control over this so called astral and once it moves away I have no control over it, it sure activates and strenghens my conciousness since then I have had lucid vision or even heared scripts like poems which are really awsome, I wish to share experience with others the get a vision to feel my conciousness outside my body.

Thanks
Amirali

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

Yes it is hard to control - and right these things don't come from imagination or "beliefs" -- it also isn't about control either, and I write this post ingeneral to anyone who is interested that once an experience has happened which involves other parts of conciousness, like in astral projecting, the ego wants to be the one in control and monitor that aspect, when it really has nothing to do with ego.

The ego doesn't understand that and feels threatened by that. The only thing "beliefs" play into is with perceptions, but it is a load of rubbish that a person needs to "believe" for it happen . That is people getting inherently mixed up with intention. Intention is required, intention is the driving/creating force, but it is not the same having to "believe" in. Beliefs belong to the ego ---- intention belongs to the universe and every single being, expression, energy, entity, vessel, soul, spirit aspect that streams consciousness. Intention is a force, not a belief, it is a energy, not a illusion. Intention is a malleable force of directing everything that you are on another level, and you access it by telling your ego to step out.

I feel this could be the issue when people have the initial experience, the experience is that powerful in that the ego has no choice but to accept what the mind is experiencing with the "non physical" reality -- then boom the next time the person tries to recreate the experience, they can't. What has to be considered is that the ego with its pre conceptions, fears, belief systems, etc etc  need to be put to the side, wrangled with, shoved in the damn closet, whatever it takes - it is a process which one has to start dealing with so that the ego does not try to sit there with the reins in hand and conduct the band. If it does so, then i believe it can block the process.

Drawing from my mediumship and meditation experiences, it is possible to at first learn how to do this for periods of time. So if you find you are getting stuck or not getting past certain cues and sensations, then it is time to seriously work on your ego. You always remember where the initial experience came from, and the faint but distinct energy and place it came from.  So first step is to reconnect to that feeling. If there was a certain mind space you experienced, go for that, if there was a certain emotion, go for that, if there was just the memory it self go for that.  Infact step before that is to acknowledge that yes it is possible to anchor your consciousness/psyche onto past experiences. This is like going mental fishing - when you go into a meditative state, and call forth the experience, relive the energy and feelings of it, you can anchor yourself  right back into that using intention.

If you have successfully projected before and still hold the energy and vibration in your memory of that place or a portal /wormhole you went through. Again similar process, call that back and relive the experience. The more advanced you get with projecting, the more you can just "step in", jump in if you like, or shift to a point you have already surpassed. It is possible to become so aligned with your intention and direction of will and consciousness that you can use these points of reference like way points, by just willing yourself back to them and boom your projected. This was brought up recently in this thread.

There are certain 'junctions' in the astral world that translate as like internal portals of consciousness as well as external - I don't have the right word set to explain this properly, but what I mean is there are certain passages of rite if you want to compare it to that, whereby when you reach a certain level of vibration/frequency then what you can access and perceive increases and opens up. And that has a direct relation on what you experience. It becomes like a duality journey of everything that is external and exists on the astral planes is also a direct manifestation and relation to where you are at and what level you are operating at in consciousness. It's a relationship between the inner and outer and that what comes from you, your inner self is a direct conductor of what you create and experience in the outwards manifestation. There is nothing simpler or quicker that will teach you about power of thought, emotion and intention, and the difference between belief systems and societal programming,  than astral projecting and experiencing the thought and mental realms where you are you without your facade, mask and ego.

Portals and waypoints are just one aspect of that. Once you have experienced using one and passing through that kind of energy, it's symbolic and reflective as well to your inner consciousness. This has to be comprehended through the experience though, books or listening to accounts like mine, can't do this for you, only the raw experience can and your ability to put 2 and 2 together. Anyway this is a small glimpse into how it is possible to project using anchors and connections to things which you are connected too energetically. It's understanding energy too and how we leave cords/anchors whatever you want to call them to just about everything we have anything to do with.

Edited by bLu3 de 3n3rgy, 11 September 2012 - 10:34 PM.

[Seeker79]

bLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 11 September 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

This has to be comprehended through the experience though, books or listening to accounts like mine, can't do this for you, only the raw experience can and your ability to put 2 and 2 together.

Yes ! So true!

[SpectralEdge]

Any tips on shoving your ego in a closet? Cause I am pretty sure mine is a control freak.

[Professor T]

Yeah, good point Spectral.. The more I think about it the more I realise I'm a control freak too. Even when I start making progress in meditation and start feeling sinking sensations or spinning I immediately latch onto it and try to control it, which is probably why i havn't broken through yet because I just have to anylise everything. need to let go.

[Professor T]

Here's a couple of articals on Ego. http://www.jeansulli...nn.com/Ego.html & http://deoxy.org/egofalse.htm
But I guess google can be a minefield in this.

[Seeker79]

Egos should be observed. This is why many mediations focus on passively observing your own reactions. Once this is a habit, your ego can do its thing, but your primary awareness is detached.

Simply meditate and observe yourself. If your arm itches, don't scratch it, simply observe your growing ergg to scratch it. Analyze the urg itself without giving into it. Dive into the itch explore it, observe its corners. Do this with all things the ego does. After you begin to have the habit of self observation, your ego will not have such a grip and you will be better at directing it.

Edited by Seeker79, 13 September 2012 - 01:55 PM.

[SpectralEdge]

So when meditating, the point isn't really to stop thinking and have your mind empty it is to stop analyzing and start observing?

[Seeker79]

SpectralEdge, on 13 September 2012 - 07:16 PM, said:

So when meditating, the point isn't really to stop thinking and have your mind empty it is to stop analyzing and start observing?

One way... Yes. There are numerouse meditations. Some contemplative others empty mind, others observational.

[Professor T]

Seeker79, on 13 September 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

One way... Yes. There are numerouse meditations. Some contemplative others empty mind, others observational.

Would you consider the first part of any meditation for astral traval or awareness to be removing the physical barriers, then tackling the Ego?

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

That's one aspect to it. Ego is a huge subject and can not be packed into one post, we can discuss it as it arises in this thread however...Initially it is what the beginning of the journey is all about. The passing of the ego to allow the higher consciousness and your true self [soul] to come into it's being. That is the spiritual essence of it, note NOT religious - there is a difference between spirituality and religion. Spirituality and metaphysics is acknowledgement of the soul and the multi levels of consciousness which define a whole being - you in your aspect here in "ego" is not your whole being. Your ego is the 1% of you while your whole being spans 99% of you in higher consciousness [higher self]

In metaphysics and In relation to astral projection and other abilities, the ego interferes, it is limited in it's concepts and flawed in it's perceptions and lacks clarity. Fear comes from ego, useless belief systems come from ego, self serving/centred belief systems come from ego. Ego knows jack **** and ego wants to control. Ego puts desires and wants ahead of needs.  You can only get so far with ego in a metaphysical world because it is literally impossible to transcend to the higher levels using only that mere1% of you that is not even a true representation of you, but a societal moulded programmed faceted personality. That is why i always say the ego is the glass ceiling.  All those sacred texts and ancient cultures that tlk about ascension and awakening are all metaphors for by passing the ego level of consciousness aka the programmed you, and bringing in the higher self in which to operate from.

Breaking ego down

Ever heard of the dark night of the soul ? http://www.themystic.org/dark-night/

Research it if you have not. It's a philosophy to describe an experience of 'awakening' that relates on a similar level of how astral projection can force you to face your shadow self/monster [fear] ego, whatever you want to call it. I went through this dark night of the soul before i even knew that there was a philosophy for it. For me it was what I call as my 'awakening' and it lasted a period of a few weeks. It was an intense time where I went through rapid change and growth, and aspects of my ego that were problematic and holding me back were dismantled. It was not a pretty time, and I am not going to sit here and kid anyone that dealing with your ego is all fluffy white clouds and singing kum ba ya. Ego is in it's purity is a monster, it is a spoilt brat, a child a ignorant fool, ego is responsible for the destruction and state of this world and that is another whole rant. Our society raises us to function in ego and only ego, we are not raised or supported to be higher thinking beings, we are programmed to be dysfunctional children who never grow up and accept the most absurd things, for nothing matters or exists unless it impacts the ego, right ?


Dealing with the ego is dealing with your issues. You need to sit down and be honest with yourself and address what your issues are. If you can not think on what that may be, then write down a list for what makes you react out of fear to things, not respond. Then what makes you react out of anger, Then what makes you judgemental to things and others. Then what makes you feel threatened, what is it about others who trigger your defences, the things that they say or try to impose or takeaway from you? this bit is the key to getting under your hidden agendas. Everyone has triggers for the basic ego/primal states of being - anger - jealously - fear. Find out what yours are or at least the situations which trigger you. Self esteem issues are all ego issues too, so anything to do with confidence, low opinions of self, destructive habits, passive aggressive behaviour, manipulative behaviour all count as ego issues which need to be smacked up the head and dealt with. There is no place for baggage in metaphysics, it's something that has to be aired and cleared out. The goal is to keep on clearing and clearing and clearing yourself, you will always be clearing for we are always accumulating and by processing and clearning and letting **** go, we allow ourselfs to turn into awesome transmuting machines, not freaky garbage machines. So yes be the transmuter - not the garbage collector.

When you have sorted through what your triggers are, what your defences are, why you have them, and what you can't pin point most likely stem back to childhood. Ego is cemented during childhood and that is why ego consciousness is forever a child. When you have something to work on, you then use meditation to visit these things one at a time. It could be going back to a time in your childhood, revisiting your self as a child and talking to yourself about how whatever was comprehended then, was then, and is not useful or helpful to you anymore.

The other part of working with your identified triggers is adopting the approach of becoming self aware. Self awareness is bringing your thought level and emotional level into your conscious mind. It is being aware of what thoughts you are generating, triggering, and receiving. Yes receiving, you don't think for a moment that every thought and impulse belongs to you ?

Self awareness is one of the keys to becoming the monitor/observer of not only your ego, but your other levels of consciousness and the ability to move your awareness at will [shifting awareness to another level and connecting to that,  is the definition of projection]. Your higher self, your guides, your intuition are all things that self awareness makes you aware of.

So in dealing with ego there is the aspects of your personality to deal with, there is the practising of self awareness with the goal of becoming conscious of your every thought and where it comes from. You eventually get to the point where you can question, was that 'me' or is that something else trying to imprint or, yes OR, manipulate my frequency/vibration. IE negative thoughts which loop, which lead to negative emotion and mood if left unchecked.  When you do catch a negative thought or feeling, you can immediately flip the thought around, or stop the loop and counter it with something neutral or positive. That is what it is to be self aware. And where ego comes into it, it is not giving into your emotional triggers, it is controlling your emotions. Everything starts on the thought level and ends up an emotion, feeling or mood, and everything of which generates an energy and frequency. For those of you who are empaths/energy manipulators, you will already have your experiences of this to understand this indepth. Paying attention to what is going on is a useful shield if you can catch thought loops or at least recognise when you are in a loop, just looping old issues, looping things that are ego....

Will take a break on the subject of ego there. It's a massive topic in its own right and i think it's probably better to discuss as this thread goes along. [also have a half functioning keyboard so excuse the typos, rough grammar]

Edited by bLu3 de 3n3rgy, 13 September 2012 - 09:21 PM.

[Professor T]

bLu3 de 3n3rgy, on 13 September 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Breaking ego down

Ever heard of the dark night of the soul ? http://www.themystic.org/dark-night/

cool, thanks..

Nawh... The site for the link is down..
I hope this is an alternative. http://exploring-lif...-of-the-soul-1/

edited to joke :The Fed's took it down

Edited by Professor T, 14 September 2012 - 05:36 AM.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

Hmm the site still shows as up for me - that other link is not reflective of what i experienced, although it is not my place to reject another persons dark night of the soul. We are all different. I will find an alt that i feel reflects what i went through. It was primarily the battle of the ego and higher consciousness.

ETA lmao how lame of 'them'

I think I need to stop being lazy and publish my own article on what it is. I'm amazed by how off a lot of these results are coming up as.


Ok this link - not an exact replica of course - but delivering a similar theme -  

http://www.metaphysi...f-the-soul.html

Edited by bLu3 de 3n3rgy, 14 September 2012 - 06:15 AM.