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http://www.washingto...pflQ_story.html

According to the article above the mystery continues but bit by bit the picture may be clearing.  If Israel is bluffing they're doing a poor job of it.

http://security.blog...ring/?hpt=hp_t2

Since when does the SecDef of the US get to release possible military plans for one of our allies?  Why would he give dates?  To bluff the Iranians or thwart the Israeli's?

[Fluffybunny]

If israel wants to bomb iran, let them do what they feel they need to do. That being said, in my opinion we have absolutely no reason to follow them into war. They have a good military and everything they need to blow up a measly reactor site. They can defend themselves in what would follow too.

We have given israel billions and billions of dollars...it needs to stop. Not just israel, but everyone. No one gets a dime until we get our finances under control.

It is time for the US to stop getting involved in everyone elses business.

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

I seen on the TV news the other night something that made me laugh hysterically. They said Iran is going to attack America on American soil ... LOL. What a bunch of BS. Seriously that's like the state of Georgia deciding to take on the rest of America. Good luck with that one Iran. Me thinks its propaganda to give American a feeling we should invade Iran. I hope people don't fall for it.
I also hope I misinterpreted what was being said. This is one time I would be overjoyed that I got it wrong.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Fluffybunny, on 03 February 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

If israel wants to bomb iran, let them do what they feel they need to do. That being said, in my opinion we have absolutely no reason to follow them into war. They have a good military and everything they need to blow up a measly reactor site. They can defend themselves in what would follow too.

We have given israel billions and billions of dollars...it needs to stop. Not just israel, but everyone. No one gets a dime until we get our finances under control.

It is time for the US to stop getting involved in everyone elses business.

I don't see Israel can defend themselves, Iranian airforce could be larger, maybe elements of Russian and eastern European supporters.
This isn't a middle eastern problem, this is a global problem.

[The New Richard Nixon]

Aus Der Box Skeptisch, on 03 February 2012 - 06:41 AM, said:

I seen on the TV news the other night something that made me laugh hysterically. They said Iran is going to attack America on American soil ... LOL. What a bunch of BS. Seriously that's like the state of Georgia deciding to take on the rest of America. Good luck with that one Iran. Me thinks its propaganda to give American a feeling we should invade Iran. I hope people don't fall for it.
I also hope I misinterpreted what was being said. This is one time I would be overjoyed that I got it wrong.

I guess you could of said the same for 9/11, the car bombing in the car pack in the twin towers, pearl Harbour..

[Q24]

Fluffybunny, on 03 February 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

That being said, in my opinion we have absolutely no reason to follow them into war.

If only there were a “we”!

In reality there is “them” and “us” broadly defined: -

• political factions and money men itching for war with Iran.
  
• the common people who want to live in peace.

Unfortunately it is the first which wield power whilst 90% of the second group follow in ignorance.

This all has very little to do with an existential threat to Israel – that is but the pretext.

[Q24]

Erix, on 03 February 2012 - 10:56 AM, said:

This isn't a middle eastern problem, this is a global problem.

If Israel want to create a problem where none exists… when the rest of the world are dragged in… it is due to the Israeli problem.

Erix, on 03 February 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

I guess you could of said the same for 9/11, the car bombing in the car pack in the twin towers, pearl Harbour..

What a fine list.

So when the pretext of ‘Iranian aggression’ is given, we will know that is just what the U.S. wanted.  The U.S. intelligence community was all over the above attacks – could have prevented all three, but chose not to.  It was a U.S. informant who supplied the explosives and housed the hijackers for the respective WTC attacks - tip of the iceberg.

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Fluffybunny, on 03 February 2012 - 06:30 AM, said:

If israel wants to bomb iran, let them do what they feel they need to do. That being said, in my opinion we have absolutely no reason to follow them into war. They have a good military and everything they need to blow up a measly reactor site. They can defend themselves in what would follow too.

We have given israel billions and billions of dollars...it needs to stop. Not just israel, but everyone. No one gets a dime until we get our finances under control.

It is time for the US to stop getting involved in everyone elses business.

Actually the sites are partially hardened and spread over the country.  Possibly they could withstand the onslaught from Hezballah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza AND Iranian return fire.  But if they cannot then it BECOMES our business as well as the rest of the world's business.  If the Israelis truly feel their existence is threatened in such a conflict they WILL use WMD.  For me THAT is why stopping Iran (if it's possible) from acquiring nukes is important.  Imagine Assad decides to relieve some pressure from his plight by sending chem or bio stuff Israel's way.  Tel Aviv loses a few thousand citizens and suddenly Damascus is a smoking, radioactive hole in the ground.  Think of how the world changed after a couple of buildings fell down in America a decade ago...
It's the WORLD'S business to stop any further proliferation.  If we don't then the consequences will be global.  The fate of the US ,IMO, was irrevocably entwined with Israel's as soon as they procured a nuke.  As a Christian Zionist that connection seems proper to me but I understand that I'm in a very small minority.

[Q24]

and then, on 03 February 2012 - 03:51 PM, said:

Actually the sites are partially hardened and spread over the country.  Possibly they could withstand the onslaught from Hezballah in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza AND Iranian return fire.  But if they cannot then it BECOMES our business as well as the rest of the world's business.  If the Israelis truly feel their existence is threatened in such a conflict they WILL use WMD.  For me THAT is why stopping Iran (if it's possible) from acquiring nukes is important.

So the world has to stop the Iranian nuclear program to prevent Israel starting a war and nuking other countries.  Here’s a better idea… how about the world condemn the continuous Israeli war threats?  Zionists interested in self-preservation should join in too.  The only Middle East country wanting to start a war in the first place is Israel.

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Q24, on 03 February 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

So the world has to stop the Iranian nuclear program to prevent Israel starting a war and nuking other countries.  Here’s a better idea… how about the world condemn the continuous Israeli war threats?  Zionists interested in self-preservation should join in too.  The only Middle East country wanting to start a war in the first place is Israel.

I'm talking the reality of the situation not the politics.  If the world wants to have a temper tantrum after the fact then fine...
If the aggressor was x instead of y then would you still have the same opinion?  You can berate Israel all you want but it doesn't change the calculus of what might be about to happen.
And look at it from their POV, the world ALREADY HATES their guts just for being there...
Saying they would be better accepted if they just behaved in a certain way is BS and most people know it, just won't admit it.

[Wyvernkeeper]

So Iran's aggression is just a 'pretext for war,'  not according to their own supreme leader today!

http://www.guardian....confront-israel

'"From now on, in any place, if any nation or any group confronts the Zionist regime, we will endorse and we will help. We have no fear expressing this," said Khamenei.

He said Israel was a "cancerous tumour that should be cut and will be cut".'

[The New Richard Nixon]

Q24, on 03 February 2012 - 04:30 PM, said:

So the world has to stop the Iranian nuclear program to prevent Israel starting a war and nuking other countries.  Here’s a better idea… how about the world condemn the continuous Israeli war threats?  Zionists interested in self-preservation should join in too.  The only Middle East country wanting to start a war in the first place is Israel.

So your going against a country that wants another country to stop nuclear ambitions, which that country belives Islam is greater than Christian by not allowing rights to women?

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

Erix, on 03 February 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

I guess you could of said the same for 9/11, the car bombing in the car pack in the twin towers, pearl Harbour..

No I could not have said that about them. Those were meant as single attacks not invasion. You completely missed my point. That's OK though. Fear will compel you to support another us invasion of a foreign country based on conjecture ....
Pearl harbor was the only example where there was any real intent of invasion and that got as far as an island.

[Aus Der Box Skeptisch]

Erix, on 03 February 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

I guess you could of said the same for 9/11, the car bombing in the car pack in the twin towers, pearl Harbour..

No I could not have said that about them. Those were meant as single attacks not invasion. You completely missed my point. That's OK though. Fear will compel you to support another us invasion of a foreign country based on conjecture ....
Pearl harbor was the only example where there was any real intent of invasion and that got as far as an island. If

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Aus Der Box Skeptisch, on 04 February 2012 - 02:28 AM, said:

No I could not have said that about them. Those were meant as single attacks not invasion. You completely missed my point. That's OK though. Fear will compel you to support another us invasion of a foreign country based on conjecture ....
Pearl harbor was the only example where there was any real intent of invasion and that got as far as an island. If

There's been no talk of an invasion of Iran by anyone.  JSOC would be on the ground to help with targeting and intel but the mission was always to be primarily an air campaign.  Cruise missiles, JDAMS and some bunker busters.  No one ever suggested trying to invade or occupy Iran.  YES a war is a war but there is a major difference between striking targets with air assets and actually trying to take and hold ground.  I believe Iran will use it's proxies Hamas, Hezbollah and possibly Syria to attack Israel in retaliation.

Our fearless leader has basically said through SecDef Panetta that the US will primarily be concerned with defending our troops in the event of an Israeli strike into Iran.