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#421    Quaentum

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:46 PM

View Postzoser, on 30 November 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

And they are???????????

Lets use the Great Pyramid as an example.  For some time there was no evidence of work crews or ramps that could be tied in with the Great Pyramid so the AA supporters proclaimed "It had to be aliens, there is no evidence humans did it."  Now we have the evidence of the work camps that would have housed thousands and the remains of a ramp on the south side of the pyramid, neither of which would have been necessary for aliens to have built the pyramid.   The evidence that has surfaced over time supports the banal view that humans built it.

AA LOGIC
They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 05:55 PM

View Postzoser, on 30 November 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

If you can tell me how this was done and why; I'll listen I promise.  All I would ask is that it you don't know, say so.  Anything else is dishonest and deceptive.

No I can't say how it was done or for what purpose and neither can anyone else I imagine.   The important thing to remember is that even though the answers are not yet known, it does not automatically place it in the realm of alien intervention.  If one looks at all that humans have accomplished, just in stone work, before modern technology, one can not brush aside that those stones you showed quite possibly were made by humans.

AA LOGIC
They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:12 PM

View Postzoser, on 30 November 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

This reply is pure rhetoric.  Please explain what you mean.

Not rhetorical at all, just good advice in how to determine which of opposing claims should be believed.  For example:  A husband and wife come to you.  The husband claims Santa lives in their cellar and the wife claims he doesn't.   Logic and common sense tell you Santa doesn't exist while an examination of the cellar gives evidence that Santa isn't and hasn't been there.  Using critical thinking on what is known based on logic, common sense and evidence leads you to conclude that Santa is not living in their basement so you can rightly believe the wife.  Now if the evidence changes, then of course the conclusion could change but you get my drift.

AA LOGIC
They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:15 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 30 November 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

Thank God.
Clifford Stone, Disclosure Project witness, says they're are "57 varieties".
Personally, I think it may be a wee bit of an exaggeration.

Maybe this is the 57 varieties Stone was referring to

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AA LOGIC
They didn't use thousands of workers - oops forgot about the work camps
There's no evidence for ramps - You found one?...Bummer
Well we know they didn't use ancient tools to cut and shape the stones - Chisel marks?  Craps
I still say aliens built them!

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:18 PM

View Postzoser, on 30 November 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Slight problem; granite and diorite is harder than copper.

This statement proves that you have done no research whatsoever, nor did you bother to watch the video that Boony supplied. If you had, you would have seen many examples of people cutting and drilling with copper and would also have gained the knowledge that the copper does not actually do the cutting, it is the sand that is used.

I'm trying to see things from your point of view, I just can't get my head that far up my butt

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 06:50 PM

View PostGaden, on 30 November 2012 - 06:18 PM, said:

This statement proves that you have done no research whatsoever, nor did you bother to watch the video that Boony supplied. If you had, you would have seen many examples of people cutting and drilling with copper and would also have gained the knowledge that the copper does not actually do the cutting, it is the sand that is used.

Nah.  Never in a million years did they cut holes with copper and sand.  That theory seems to me to be the dream child of the desperate.

What about the initial cutting?  What about the hauling?  What about the finishing and precision fit?

How was the parallelism achieved with such huge blocks to impossible tolerances?

The answer is it's all utterly impossible without advanced technology.  Our diamond cutters and drill bits would not even make a dent on a construction of that scale.  At Giza, Puma Punku, or any of the other monolithic sites and walls around the world.

Thank God for Von Daniken, Dunn, Hancock, Bauval, Tsoukalos, Childress, and all the modern thinking men that have successfully challenged the dinosaur half brains of the past few hundred years and who have helped make the truth available to thinking world.

An interesting video; let a highly skilled engineer take you through the relics.

Cheers.





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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:16 PM

View Postzoser, on 30 November 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

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Thank God for Von Daniken, Dunn, Hancock, Bauval, Tsoukalos, Childress, and all the modern thinking men that have successfully challenged the dinosaur half brains of the past few hundred years and who have helped make the truth available to thinking world.
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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:18 PM

View Postzoser, on 30 November 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Nah.  Never in a million years did they cut holes with copper and sand.  That theory seems to me to be the dream child of the desperate.

What about the initial cutting?  What about the hauling?  What about the finishing and precision fit?

How was the parallelism achieved with such huge blocks to impossible tolerances?

The answer is it's all utterly impossible without advanced technology.  Our diamond cutters and drill bits would not even make a dent on a construction of that scale.  At Giza, Puma Punku, or any of the other monolithic sites and walls around the world.

Thank God for Von Daniken, Dunn, Hancock, Bauval, Tsoukalos, Childress, and all the modern thinking men that have successfully challenged the dinosaur half brains of the past few hundred years and who have helped make the truth available to thinking world.

An interesting video; let a highly skilled engineer take you through the relics.

Cheers.





This is a prime example of the flawed thinking of the woo woo crowd.  Without even looking into the details and information provided, it is dismissed with a simple wave of the hand and a biased "Nah, I don't believe it."

Willful ignorance at its best worst.


Zoser, these methods have been DEMONSTRATED, and therefore PROVEN to be within the capacity of the human beings who built these structures.  Your denial of these things does nothing to actually impact them, but you are shortchanging yourself in the process.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:41 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 30 November 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:


Zoser, these methods have been DEMONSTRATED, and therefore PROVEN to be within the capacity of the human beings who built these structures.  Your denial of these things does nothing to actually impact them, but you are shortchanging yourself in the process.

Chris Dunn a specialist machine engineer who in the above video clip consults other similar experts confirms that it's totally impossible.  I emphatically agree.  

In the video clip there is even evidence of ancient saw marks and machine tool marks to prove that some sophisticated cutting methods were employed.  Powered by unknown means, made of unknown materials.

It's all there, proved and established as fact.  Watch it and see for yourself.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 07:46 PM

The bow, sand and copper hypothesis fails:

At 0:38 in the clip Dunn refers to a core drilled red granite sample where the spiral cutting marks are in one direction only.  This was also found to be the case in the video clip I posted earlier concerning the Inca relics.

Once again banal theories fail.

Watch the clips if you don't believe me.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 08:14 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 30 November 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

In the top object, the hole could have been drilled before the carving was done.

So only those who aren't/weren't indigenous Indians could make carvings like that?  That's rather condescending.  I don't see you saying that all stone work done before modern technology,  that had drilled holes and right angles couldn't have been done by those indigenous peoples, now why is that?  As far as the altitude, they were accustomed to it.

If you want a rational explanation, start by eliminating the irrational premise that lack of knowledge of the exact methods used to work stone long ago is an indicator it must have been aliens.

The AA hypothesis will remain that, just a hypothesis, because as more information and evidence comes to light, like that concerning the Great Pyramid, more and more of the ancient stone work will be shown to have a human not ET hand in it.

Yes, it could have been this, or might have been that, or possibly was something else, you say.

And the AA folks say it might have been alien intervention.

So far, on both sides, it is a 'shoulda coulda woulda' thing.

It seems to me that foreign intervention is the most likely explanation, all things considered.

Stonework with such precision could not have been done by primitive men, sorry.


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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:20 PM

View Postzoser, on 30 November 2012 - 05:36 PM, said:

That's an understatement.  Copper is a known soft metal  I don't believe that the method indicated would be capable of drilling perfect holes in red granite.  It would use too much copper and go off center and be elongated.  The holes are too perfect.


"If a hollow vase or other object is to be made, one large tubular drill will need to be made...this is made by either making a diamond hole-saw of a piece of mild steel or brass tubing."   -Gemcraft , Quick and Leiper, 1959.

"Any small diameter tubing may be cut up and put to work. empty ball point pen refills for example...surplus hard stores often carry small diameter brass and aluminum tubes"

"Making diamond tools entails mostly the impregnation of small copper and brass rods and disks with.. diamond powder"
-Gemstone carving, Walker, 1977.

Here's a lovely video of copper wheel glass engraving from the "look ma, no diamond tools" thread:



To add, there's question over whether the ancient drills used were copper or bronze. What's known though is that many of the holes have been found to contain traces of verdigris from some copper-based metal.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 09:24 PM

View PostOniomancer, on 30 November 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

Here's a lovely video of copper wheel glass engraving from the "look ma, no diamond tools" thread:

To add, there's question over whether the ancient drills used were copper or bronze. What's known though is that many of the holes have been found to contain traces of verdigris from some copper-based metal.

I see you have craftily ignored post 430.  Never mind.  PS  What's powering the tool in your video?????????????

Further; you see no difference between artistic engraving and boring 2 inch diameter holes in grantite and basalt?

Do you realise that some of these holes are feet in depth not inches?

You seriously need to do some research.

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 10:23 PM

View Postzoser, on 30 November 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

I see you have craftily ignored post 430.  Never mind.

There's some question of that. Regardless, IIRC, there are some experiments which have produced similar marks. Nor is it necessary for the marks to have been produced during the drilling process.

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  PS  What's powering the tool in your video?????????????

Wow. Questionmark sure called that. You just got through saying the copper wouldn't work at all. Deflectors on full Mr. Chekov! A bow drill will do about 75 RPM too. That's more than sufficient.

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Further; you see no difference between artistic engraving and boring 2 inch diameter holes in grantite and basalt?

Not particularly. One cut in a hard material is much like another methodology-wise. And the basic technology here is essentially the same for both.

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Do you realise that some of these holes are feet in depth not inches?

You do realize a 6 inch long drill can still cut a two foot deep hole if it's attached to long enough shaft, right? This is a scaling problem, nothing more.

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Posted 01 December 2012 - 02:47 AM

View Postzoser, on 30 November 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:


Thank God for Von Daniken, Dunn, Hancock, Bauval, Tsoukalos, Childress, and all the modern thinking men that have successfully challenged the dinosaur half brains of the past few hundred years and who have helped make the truth available to thinking world.


I honestly sat here for five minutes thinking and rereading that sentence several times in order to comprehend the enormity of the statement.
Other than that I decline the opportunity to comment on the meaning of it.
You have certainly clarified your viewpoint. :hmm:

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