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[Harsh86_Patel]

http://www.hinduwisd...ed_Concepts.htm

[Harsh86_Patel]

http://www.iisc.erne...PP_data/105.pdf

[Harsh86_Patel]

http://www.hindu-blo...-vishnu-in.html

[Clobhair-cean]

Aboriginal Australia culture is older by a few tens of thousands of years than almost anything in India, save for maybe that of the Sentinelese people. Just sayin'

[Harsh86_Patel]

We know how old the aborigenal people are but we probably don't know accurately how old the Aryan culture was.

[Clobhair-cean]

Harsh86_Patel, on 28 September 2012 - 08:07 AM, said:

We know how old the aborigenal people are but we probably don't know accurately how old the Aryan culture was.

That's exactly why you can't state that Indo-Aryans are the oldest surviving culture in the world. There are no traces if Indo-Aryans before 2000 BCE, while there is a continuous and unbroken Aboriginal culture that goes back tens of thousands of years.

And as I've said, there are the Sentinelese people on the Andaman Islands, who have probably been living there since the Middle Palaeolithic with little or no cultural change. (They are an uncontacted people, so we can't be 100% sure, but it seems they haven't even invented fire)

And about "Vedic Science", with enough hindsight, you can read great discoveries into anything.

[Harsh86_Patel]

No traces of indo-aryans before 2000 b.c is a dubious and unsupported statement which is no more held to be valid.
This thread is about discussing the whether vedic philosophies collaberate with modern science.Maybe one has inspired the other.I know many religions claim their religious text to be scientific.

How do you know they are uncontacted?Probably in recent times but not necessarily through out human history.

[Harsh86_Patel]

http://www.cs.ubc.ca...of_universe.php

[Clobhair-cean]

Harsh86_Patel, on 28 September 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

No traces of indo-aryans before 2000 b.c is a dubious and unsupported statement which is no more held to be valid.

Show me a single archaeological find relating to Indo-Aryans from before 2000 BCE. Or anything that would suggest that they are anywhere near as old as the Aboriginal Australians.

Harsh86_Patel, on 28 September 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

This thread is about discussing the whether vedic philosophies collaberate with modern science.Maybe one has inspired the other.I know many religions claim their religious text to be scientific.

And all of them are wrong, when it comes to modern science. In this particular case, they rely on hindsight, gross oversimplification and especially liberal interpretations of obscure and uncertain units of measurement to come up with numbers that support their claim.

Harsh86_Patel, on 28 September 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

How do you know they are uncontacted?Probably in recent times but not necessarily through out human history.

Because not even their Andamanese neighbours have any contact with them. Also, they seem to live a prehistoric way of life and are one of the two (maybe three) known cultures in the world who don't know how to make a fire. They would have learned that and many more through outside contact.

Edited by Clobhair-cean, 28 September 2012 - 03:38 PM.

[Harsh86_Patel]

Clobhair-cean, on 28 September 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

Show me a single archaeological find relating to Indo-Aryans from before 2000 BCE. Or anything that would suggest that they are anywhere near as old as the Aboriginal Australians.



And all of them are wrong, when it comes to modern science. In this particular case, they rely on hindsight, gross oversimplification and especially liberal interpretations of obscure and uncertain units of measurement to come up with numbers that support their claim.



Because not even their Andamanese neighbours have any contact with them. Also, they seem to live a prehistoric way of life and are one of the two (maybe three) known cultures in the world who don't know how to make a fire. They would have learned that and many more through outside contact.

Gross over simplification is not very evident in the two comparisons whereas many astronomers,scientists etc have looked into taking inspirations from the Vedas and they publicly admitted it.Very few were Indian and most were Westerners or European and from a different religion.You think they were all just making it up?

Regarding a culture not knowing presently how to make fire,maybe they forgot about it or were banished and isolated after a particular period of time,there can be many explainations for that.

[Mr Right Wing]

Harsh86_Patel, on 28 September 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

No traces of indo-aryans before 2000 b.c is a dubious and unsupported statement which is no more held to be valid.
This thread is about discussing the whether vedic philosophies collaberate with modern science.Maybe one has inspired the other.I know many religions claim their religious text to be scientific.

How do you know they are uncontacted?Probably in recent times but not necessarily through out human history.

Everyone from Einstein to Tesla read the Vedic texts.

Their work aint their own.

[Harsh86_Patel]

Few similes i found which stood out quite prominently-

1)Concept of 'Brhman' or an underlying eternal vibration that is manifest in all things in the universe which has 10 directions/dimensions and the String theory.
2)Pantheism and the God particle being the particle that makes up all matter.
3)The 'Dasavatar of Vishnu' and the supposed evolutionary history from life i.e from water to land to human etc.
4)Yoga and Pranayam and Physiotherapy and Breathing techniques.
5)Karma and the philosophy/science of 'cause and effect'.
6)Mechanised flight in Rig Veda and modern mechanised flight.

These concepts are elaborately described in the Vedas and the Puranas and hence cannot be dismissed as attempts of comparison with 'hind sight' alone

[Harsh86_Patel]

Mr Right Wing, on 01 October 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

Everyone from Einstein to Tesla read the Vedic texts.

Their work aint their own.

That is an extreme statement.I feel it should suffice to say that they did take inspiration from the Veda.

[Clobhair-cean]

It seems that you have forgotten my request to provide evidence for pre-2000 BCE Indo-Aryans.

Harsh86_Patel, on 01 October 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Gross over simplification is not very evident in the two comparisons whereas many astronomers,scientists etc have looked into taking inspirations from the Vedas and they publicly admitted it.Very few were Indian and most were Westerners or European and from a different religion.You think they were all just making it up?

People draw inspiration from a lot of things, how's that related to anything. Just because something is inspiring, it doesn't need to have a truth value

Harsh86_Patel, on 01 October 2012 - 10:21 AM, said:

Regarding a culture not knowing presently how to make fire,maybe they forgot about it or were banished and isolated after a particular period of time,there can be many explainations for that.

The control of fire is one of the most basic things known to humans, it's kinda hard to forget, since practically everyone knows how to do it. Also, DNA evidence has also pointed towards the Andamanese in general being members of a very ancient human lineage.

Harsh86_Patel, on 01 October 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

Few similes i found which stood out quite prominently-

1)Concept of 'Brhman' or an underlying eternal vibration that is manifest in all things in the universe which has 10 directions/dimensions and the String theory.

String Theory is in itself fairly dubious and is still up to much debate. Furthermore, like all theoretical physics, it is immensely complex. Cherry-picking vibrations and multiple dimensions is far from being proof that there's anything in the Vedas about this yet unproven 20th century idea.

Harsh86_Patel, on 01 October 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

2)Pantheism and the God particle being the particle that makes up all matter.

If by God Particle, you mean the Higgs Boson, then you are wrong and yet again guilty of a gross oversimplification of science. The Higgs is just one of many basic particles. It's main role is that it indicates the presence of the Higgs Field, which seems to give mass to certain particles. Have the Vedas mentioned that?

Also, the God Particle is a misnomer. Leon Lederman, who coined the term wanted to call the particle the "Goddamn Particle", but it was changed due to the interference of his editor.

Harsh86_Patel, on 01 October 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

3)The 'Dasavatar of Vishnu' and the supposed evolutionary history from life i.e from water to land to human etc.

Yet another claim that is not consistent with actual science. It is practically the ancient and bogus idea of the Great Chain of Being, which is at direct odds at the modern understanding of Evolution as a nonlinear process where the humans are definitely not the end result.

Harsh86_Patel, on 01 October 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

4)Yoga and Pranayam and Physiotherapy and Breathing techniques.

Yoga, like all exercise has health benefits. And controlled breathing having effects on the vascular system is also well-known, but much of the medical effects claimed by its practitioners, like that you can use it to cure cancer, is absurd.

Also, if the people who wrote the Vedas were so medically literate, how come the germ theory of disease completely eluded them?

Harsh86_Patel, on 01 October 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

5)Karma and the philosophy/science of 'cause and effect'.

This is an extremely broad topic that is not in any ways unique to the Vedas

Harsh86_Patel, on 01 October 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

6)Mechanised flight in Rig Veda and modern mechanised flight.

That's absolute hokum. There is absolutely no mechanised flight in the Vedas, and I challenge you to prove me wrong with a direct quote from the text.

[Harte]

Harsh86_Patel, on 01 October 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

Few similes i found which stood out quite prominently-

1)Concept of 'Brhman' or an underlying eternal vibration that is manifest in all things in the universe which has 10 directions/dimensions and the String theory.

None of your references even mention string theory.

Do you even know what it is?

Are you aware that it postulates 11 dimensions, and not ten?

The number ten is associated with the concept of Brahman, yes.  It's also associated with Dr. Pepper (10, 2 and 4.)

Is the Dr. Pepper logo referring to String theory?

Harte