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[bee]

Lilly, on 18 December 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Bee, my son showed me this video just last night...I think it's absolutely wonderful.

hi Lilly...yes it's brilliant..........people are having a lot of fun with parodies of the South Korean Gangnam Style song...

and the original on YouTube is approaching a record one billion views !!!

The NASA Johnson Style one is great...

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[bee]

bmk1245, on 18 December 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Human eye (cornea, aqueous humor, etc) is the filter, though wideband -> link (see graphs in appendix; eye transmittance of our little brothers, but human wouldn't differ much)

what exactly is the point you are trying to make.....?


Bearing in mind what Einstein said....


“If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.”




http://www.goodreads...-a-six-year-old

[JimOberg]

Bee, sorry you didn't get around to my questions.

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

I think what people have been trying to explain, in many & imaginative ways, is that you can actually see light outside of the Atmosphere, and whoever that "expert" or "Ufologist" was, he was just the usual charlatan.

[bee]

JimOberg, on 18 December 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

I discussed the prosaic nature of such views in my '99 FAQs", What is it about my explanation of stuff appearing at sunrise that you are unwilling to believe?

Frankly....if you can't be bothered to quote the relevant bit of your 99 FAQs....or even indicate at what number (s) the information can be found...

I don't really care what you have to say about it....

[bee]

JimOberg, on 18 December 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

Bee, sorry you didn't get around to my questions.

please see above......thankyou....

[JimOberg]

bee, on 18 December 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

Frankly....if you can't be bothered to quote the relevant bit of your 99 FAQs....or even indicate at what number (s) the information can be found...

I don't really care what you have to say about it....

Try 49, 50, and especially 66, if that's not too much trouble.
http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html

[bmk1245]

bee, on 18 December 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

what exactly is the point you are trying to make.....?
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The point is that the eye (more precisely cornea, etc) has finite transmittance spectrum, that is, acts like a filter placed "in front of sensors", i.e. photoreceptor cells. So basically, HST wouldn't be able to take images using VIS filters (as you implied).

As for "grating", thats what image looks like, when taken using grism (combination of prism and grating):


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bee, on 18 December 2012 - 03:18 PM, said:

[...]Bearing in mind what Einstein said....


“If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't understand it yourself.”




http://www.goodreads...-a-six-year-old

Thats neat... How you would explain six year old that 2+2 is not equal 17.42 (I'm assuming you know arithmetics, don't you)?

[bee]

JimOberg, on 18 December 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Try 49, 50, and especially 66, if that's not too much trouble.
http://www.jamesoberg.com/99faq.html

ok....I'll take a look....have a think about it and get back to you later or tomorrow.

You don't think it's a giant fried egg then..?...

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[Colonel Rhuairidh]

bmk1245, on 18 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

As for "grating", thats what image looks like, when taken using grism (combination of prism and grating):

grism? Sounds a bit unsavoury. I think I'd prefer prating.

[bee]

bmk1245, on 18 December 2012 - 04:06 PM, said:

The point is that the eye (more precisely cornea, etc) has finite transmittance spectrum, that is, acts like a filter placed "in front of sensors", i.e. photoreceptor cells. So basically, HST wouldn't be able to take images using VIS filters (as you implied).

I'll have to get back to you as well......because basically you seem to be trying to say that it is not JUST reflected light that we humans see.....

I'm not sure what you're saying about HST....

And mixing the two together isn't helping. As you know we have come up against each other many times in the past (oooo errr matron)...

and you often seem to throw out complicated technical info that doesn't have much to do with the root of the matter and just confuses everything...

IMO....



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[Archimedes]

bee, on 18 December 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

I'll have to get back to you as well......because basically you seem to be trying to say that it is not JUST reflected light that we humans see.....

Of course we can see light other than reflected light.

Otherwise lightbulbs and fire would be invisible as they are sources of light, not reflections of light.

What's the difference between a photon that comes straight from a light source like the sun and a photon from the sun that has reflected off something?

[bee]

bee, on 17 December 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

Anyway I can't be bothered to argue about it all at the moment...tis the season to be jolly....


I'm just quietly doing a bit of research on the subject here and there when it takes my fancy.

Archimedes, on 18 December 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Of course we can see light other than reflected light.[/size]

Otherwise lightbulbs and fire would be invisible as they are sources of light, not reflections of light.

What's the difference between a photon that comes straight from a light source like the sun and a photon from the sun that has reflected off something?

The simplicity of your post is impressive....

And this seems to be the crux of the matter and naturally gives food for thought....

Peter Lindemann is no slouch.....

http://peswiki.com/e...demann#ARTICLES


And he must surely have considered this....when making his informal remarks  about visible light....etc etc.....

IF his 'musings' have merit then it must be to do with the earth's atmosphere creating a different visual affect...


dunno....it's all a bit of a mystery.....

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[bee]

bee, on 17 December 2012 - 11:05 PM, said:

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more on topic...

Martyn Stubbs reveals secret NASA tape of a giant Flying Fried Egg....floating in space....

Appears at 2:43....









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JimOberg, on 18 December 2012 - 01:12 PM, said:

Unearthly scene, but pretty common on shuttle video feed.

I discussed the prosaic nature of such views in my '99 FAQs", What is it about my explanation of stuff appearing at sunrise that you are unwilling to believe?

Stuff appearing at sunrise...recorded in the Ultra Violet part of the spectrum...?

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You do realize the video was taken at orbital sunrise, don't you? Can you agree to that fact?

I don't know...it's hard to know what the hell is going on in that clip...

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Which mission was that scene from, by the way? You should be able to figure it out, there are enough clues.

well I already saw the video information on YouTube...


It said...

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An STS-75 clip from the Martyn Stubbs NASA Archives

From your 99 FAQ....you are saying that it's all down to 'dandruff' and the Fried Egg is an object coming into view...?

(in the Ultra Violet part of the spectrum..?)


Do you have the right answers...? You obviously think you do....and I suppose everyone can make their own mind up about it...


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[Archimedes]

bee, on 18 December 2012 - 10:07 PM, said:

IF his 'musings' have merit then it must be to do with the earth's atmosphere creating a different visual affect...

Why do you think his "musings" have any merit?

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dunno....it's all a bit of a mystery.....

It's not really.  To anyone with a basic knowledge of science.