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[Jeremiah65]

Just for thoughtful conversation....

I have added this video over the ages to several threads but I decided it was time for it to stand alone and be counted.

I cannot see how anyone would argue with the premises as they are laid out...you are livestock, you are being farmed...whether you are aware of it or not is totally irrelevant...it is happening and it will continue to happen until you free yourself from the farm and find a new way to live....so before we get into that...let's see the video....



I admit, it takes a few minutes to watch the video...13.10 to be exact...but considering the content...if you do not watch it....maybe you don't care or don't belong in the conversation....

Does that (the content) not seem painfully familiar to you? Do you not"'get it" as far as what is happening? I hope you do and I look forward to conversations concerning this state of affairs...

I would hope some will thoughtfully reflect on the ideas laid out here...this is not black and white...this is a thousand subtle shades of gray.....so please...look at it...see it...reflect on it...and then tell me your honest thoughts....I cannot find huge fault in the ideas....what it is described can be seen all around us every day....if you choose to "see" and not just look....most prefer to "look" and not see....

[Coffey]

Brillaint topic, people need to start realising this.

" He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither"

Benjamin Franklin actually said thta for a reason, not just to secure a good qoute in the world. lol


For those who don't understand a lot of it, I find this video works well for people who get bored easily wathcing these things:  ( alot of the time people don't understand things, not becuase they are stupid but because they jsut can't watch or take in things they find boring)




It's funny, entertaining and who doens't love cartoons?!

Edited by Coffey, 08 February 2013 - 09:20 PM.

[questionmark]

To me it sounds like the good old "as soon as we owe him enough money we will run the Jew out of town".

Nobody twisted anybodies arm to get into debt. And it is known since the antiquity that if you have debt you are slave of the repayment. Not using his brain does not protect anybody from the consequences of his actions. Unless the Jew gets run out of town, of course.

[Yamato]

People will always borrow as much money as they're encouraged to, and keeping interest rates at zero for years on end is the greatest encouragement available.   If banks borrow at zero, they're encouraged to take far more risk than they otherwise would.   The snowball effect lands on Joe Homeowner whose credit and family suffer the consequences.

[aztek]

I think it is b.s.

they never explained to us, sheeps, what is the real freedom, and what to do to be fully free.

we live in society, everyone can't do what they want, we will have chaos. there has to be rules, and rulers,

just look at countries where gvmnt failed or was removed, no gvmnt makes them free, in theory. they don't work for no one, nobody getting rich of them, but look at their country's, like  Egypt, Syria, Somalia....... it is chaos, no laws, infrastructure failed, crime rates higher than mount Everest.   is that the  freedom they are talking about???? if not, i'd like to see examples of what they consider freedom.


we are slaves, to our own, ignorance, and arrogance.

anyone who really want it, can become one of them, the Sheppard's\farmers. either by becoming a politician, or by making a lot of money and have those politicians in your pocket.

there is no mark on any of us when we are born, that makes us farmers or sheep's, it is our own choice. and we are free to make it.

Edited by aztek, 08 February 2013 - 11:48 PM.

[questionmark]

aztek, on 08 February 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

I think it is b.s.

they never explained to us, sheeps, what is the real freedom, and what to do to be fully free.

we live in society, everyone can't do what they want, we will have chaos. there has to be rules, and rulers,

just look at countries where gvmnt failed or was removed, no gvmnt makes them free, in theory. they don't work for no one, nobody getting rich of them, but look at their country's, like  Egypt, Syria, Somalia....... it is chaos, no laws, infrastructure failed, crime rates higher than mount Everest.   is that the  freedom they are talking about???? if not, i'd like to see examples of what they consider freedom.


we are slaves, to our own, ignorance, and arrogance.

anyone who really want it, can become one of them, the Sheppard's\farmers. either by becoming a politician, or by making a lot of money and have those politicians in your pocket.

there is no mark on any of us when we are born, that makes us farmers or sheep's, it is our own choice. and we are free to make it.

have not seen you making that much sense since 2006.

[Coffey]

aztek, on 08 February 2013 - 11:45 PM, said:

I think it is b.s.

they never explained to us, sheeps, what is the real freedom, and what to do to be fully free.

we live in society, everyone can't do what they want, we will have chaos. there has to be rules, and rulers,

just look at countries where gvmnt failed or was removed, no gvmnt makes them free, in theory. they don't work for no one, nobody getting rich of them, but look at their country's, like  Egypt, Syria, Somalia....... it is chaos, no laws, infrastructure failed, crime rates higher than mount Everest.   is that the  freedom they are talking about???? if not, i'd like to see examples of what they consider freedom.


we are slaves, to our own, ignorance, and arrogance.

anyone who really want it, can become one of them, the Sheppard's\farmers. either by becoming a politician, or by making a lot of money and have those politicians in your pocket.

there is no mark on any of us when we are born, that makes us farmers or sheep's, it is our own choice. and we are free to make it.

You can't jsut become a politician or rich. lol

It's very ahrd to become rich without financial backing. If your parents are not rich then your chances of becoming rich are far less.

It's still possible with a lot of hard work, but the odds are not in your favour.

As for becoming a politician, you need financial backing to get anywhere near an election... And that is where the corruption starts.

[aztek]

there is a will , there is a way.
I've seen ppl come to usa without a red cent in their pockets, now they own multimillion dollar business, no one said it is easy, but it is possible,

look at Microsoft, Facebook,, apple, ....it didn't take rocket scientist' with huge financial backing, or rich parents. to start.

as for becoming a  politician, become a lawer, open practice, get enough funds\connections, and run for senate\congress\assembly, than move up.... almost anyone has potential, but very few have enough will, to accomplish it, I know I don't have that, but it is my choice\opinion. not some class  limitation I was born with.

[Coffey]

aztek, on 09 February 2013 - 06:12 PM, said:

there is a will , there is a way.
I've seen ppl come to usa without a red cent in their pockets, now they own multimillion dollar business, no one said it is easy, but it is possible,

look at Microsoft, Facebook,, apple, ....it didn't take rocket scientist' with huge financial backing, or rich parents. to start.

as for becoming a  politician, become a lawer, open practice, get enough funds\connections, and run for senate\congress\assembly, than move up.... almost anyone has potential, but very few have enough will, to accomplish it, I know I don't have that, but it is my choice\opinion. not some class  limitation I was born with.

Every politician in the UK and US that I can think of was born rich r got into parliment through corrupt financial support.

Bill gates came from a rich family, So did Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg also had huge financial backing for making facebook.


Steve Jobs is a true example of making it yourself though. That is one of the people who fought the odds.

[aztek]

I know of 2 new York politicians, that came to us from Russia, and didn't have any connections, or money. one was raised by single mother.
both became politicians. one thru law carrier other thru business.
google them alec brook krasniy, and david strobin.

I,m pretty sure there are more



the only reason that stops you from being what you want is you yourself. you are not maked at birth, to be someone or not to be someone.

btw great example Arnold  Schwarzenegger, he made himself.

Edited by aztek, 10 February 2013 - 03:54 PM.

[Coffey]

aztek, on 10 February 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

I know of 2 new York politicians, that came to us from Russia, and didn't have any connections, or money. one was raised by single mother.
both became politicians. one thru law carrier other thru business.
google them alec brook krasniy, and david strobin.

I,m pretty sure there are more



the only reason that stops you from being what you want is you yourself. you are not maked at birth, to be someone or not to be someone.

btw great example Arnold  Schwarzenegger, he made himself.

The mere fact I have to google those people proves my point. I'm talking about people who become presidents or Prime ministers. Not people who don't gain that position of power.

And no i could not go to Uni because my parents couldn't afford it and the goverment pulled funding for it. I know I will make it in what my life goal is, but I know if my life goal was to be prime minister it would never happen. The Prime ministers of the UK are always from wealthy families.

[AsteroidX]

Dont care we are slaves or near slaves unless your part of the socialist empire aka banking schism.

[Jeremiah65]

Well...I was most interested in the point made about the collection of taxes changing to 'the mafia model"...

We are being farmed...in a tax farm.  maybe some didn't watch the whole thing...sorry to ask for 13 minutes and 10 seconds of attention span...

Other key points...

Putting some livestock on the payroll of the farmer who will defend their "farmer"...by turning on the other livestock...

Creating fear and invisible threats so the livestock will cling to the farmer...

I respect that you can become a lawyer or a politician or a Governor (aka Arnie)...however, that has absolutely nothing to do with the point of the video.  Personal debt has nothing to do with the point....



Oh well, I saw a lot of interesting things in it and I will continue to post it where I think the overtones are applicable.  If you do not wish to see the cages...if you do not want to see the farm...then don't.

But....
If you work and earn a wage...you are being farmed.  You are human livestock and you are enslaved...perhaps it exactly what the very first part of the video says...it is just too painful for many to see it for what it truly is...

Edited by Jeremiah65, 10 February 2013 - 10:53 PM.

[aztek]

Jeremiah65, on 10 February 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

I respect that you can become a lawyer or a politician or a Governor (aka Arnie)...however, that has absolutely nothing to do with the point of the video.  Personal debt has nothing to do with the point....

but personal debt is your personal decision, if fail to pay up what you borrowed, it isn't banks fault, they don't force you to take loans.

[aztek]

Coffey, on 10 February 2013 - 08:50 PM, said:

The mere fact I have to google those people proves my point. I'm talking about people who become presidents or Prime ministers. Not people who don't gain that position of power.

no it doesn't prove that. there are plenty of super rich ppl with plenty of power whose names you will never know.

it just proves 1 thing, you convinced yourself there is a limit to what you can do. with thinking like that you really are limited.  no ones fault but yours.