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[Merged] Dyatlov Pass incident


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#46    psyche101

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 06:45 AM

View PostSamuronin, on 16 March 2010 - 06:35 AM, said:

Okay, but does that still apply to this kind of environment, where decomposition is slower? But anyway, why was it that only one of them (interestingly a female) has its tongue missing?...I'm still baffled. :hmm:


The sequence of events cannot be determined with accuracy. In such low temps, the tongue will freeze if exposed in a matter of minutes, it was more likely a window of opportunity.

Decomposition being slower would preserve the tongue so there would be more chances to eat portions of it.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 07:06 AM

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 07:09 AM

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The sequence of events cannot be determined with accuracy. In such low temps, the tongue will freeze if exposed in a matter of minutes, it was more likely a window of opportunity.

Decomposition being slower would preserve the tongue so there would be more chances to eat portions of it.

The whole body, not only tongue will be frozen, so every part of it is pretty much consumable. But still does not answer as to why only one of the bodies where touched by scavenger/s if its the case.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 07:38 AM

seems like people are really reaching to try to explain the tongue aspect in a scientific manner. nobody is gonna convince me that a scavenger came, ignored the other dead bodies, as well as other choice parts of the woman {i.e. eyes, ears, internal organs, genitalia) and decided to take just her tongue. wild animals DO NOT work that way. scavengers are opportunistic feeders, and would have gorged themselves on most if not all of these parts. while i'm not saying something paranormal happened,  I AM saying that it wasn't a scavenger... that makes less sense than a friggin ufo or bigfoot.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 08:04 AM

People, lets not forget that this was an event from 1959, in full cold war. God knows I'm not a conspiracy nut at all, but the period it happened, being what it was, and the country being, the then USSR, does give certain pointers.
What you saw in a report was most likely a fabrication, made by the Politbureau, the KGB or the GRU. The fact that it was classified for so many years, tends to prove that much. To be honest I rather believe this to be a "disposal of unwanted people or witnesses", camouflaged (badly I admit) as a hicking accident.

The Politbureau, the KGB or the GRU not being the most subtle of organisations....

I do not believe however, that it was anything not from earth lol

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 08:49 AM

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I have not, but im assuming you have?

It seems people on this site find a possible explaination and say "there we go, must have been X" no matter that they haven't done any real research which might disprove "X".

Im not suggesting that it wasn't hypothermia brought on by an avalanche, just that there was no mention of it on the OP.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 08:52 AM

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seems like people are really reaching to try to explain the tongue aspect in a scientific manner. nobody is gonna convince me that a scavenger came, ignored the other dead bodies, as well as other choice parts of the woman {i.e. eyes, ears, internal organs, genitalia) and decided to take just her tongue. wild animals DO NOT work that way. scavengers are opportunistic feeders, and would have gorged themselves on most if not all of these parts. while i'm not saying something paranormal happened,  I AM saying that it wasn't a scavenger... that makes less sense than a friggin ufo or bigfoot.
Yes they do, depending on the size of the animal and if there was disturbance around them they would stop quick enough. Foxes are known to just take the tongue from dead cattle for example.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 09:04 AM

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Yes they do, depending on the size of the animal and if there was disturbance around them they would stop quick enough. Foxes are known to just take the tongue from dead cattle for example.  

Good point, seems to me that if the missing tongue was really caused by a scavenger, Artic Fox this would be my culprit, after all it ts fairly small in size and it is native in Russia.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 09:10 AM

View PostSamuronin, on 16 March 2010 - 09:04 AM, said:

Good point, seems to me that if the missing tongue was really caused by a scavenger, Artic Fox this would be my culprit, after all it ts fairly small in size and it is native in Russia.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 09:37 AM

View PostMattshark, on 16 March 2010 - 09:10 AM, said:

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:08 AM

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This would be the cullprit in your opinion?

I think it would be a good culprit, small enough and known in the area and most definitely precocious enough to approach much larger animals.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:15 AM

View PostMattshark, on 16 March 2010 - 08:52 AM, said:

Yes they do, depending on the size of the animal and if there was disturbance around them they would stop quick enough. Foxes are known to just take the tongue from dead cattle for example.
do you mind citing your source of this information, for i've never heard of it. i HAVE heard of foxes eating the tongues of dead cattle before, along with the eyes, ears, and udders..... mmmm, where have i heard that before? oh yeah, it was my last post. this site, http://mynarskifores...om/ev17adit.htm, acknowledges that artic foxes actually hoard food in large caches, rather than wasting food. i've read this in other sites as well.

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um... that's not a fox... it's an american marten.... not found in russia. a pine marten is, although it probably isn't the wastefull feeder you are grasping at either. here's a link for info on the pine marten...http://http//www.treesforlife.org.uk/tfl.pinemarten.html
try listing some sources for your guesses and maybe they'll gain credence.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:15 AM

I can't believe someone actually has voted for werewolf/vampire.

Concerning the missing tongues - tongue is one of the first bits of corpses the wildlife usually goes for so I see no problems in explaining that.

That all said, I do agree a little with TheSearcher - USSR did have a lot of secrets and while I doubt it's anything supernatural(personal opinion based on factual evidence), the KGB and the rest of the Government facilities could have probably labeled the case confidential.

I could be wrong though, I seem to vaguely remember a russian site that had some pretty extensive information about the whole incident and it may have stated there was seen no reason to make what was a hiking accident top secret. I will attempt to find the site but no promises.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:21 AM

View PostMattshark, on 16 March 2010 - 10:08 AM, said:

I think it would be a good culprit, small enough and known in the area and most definitely precocious enough to approach much larger animals.
nope. wrong marten. that's an AMERICAN marten. you are thinking of a pine marten, which in any case wouldn't just eat a tongue, besides the op states that the area around the dead people wasn't disturbed by scavengers.

View PostIsensee, on 16 March 2010 - 10:15 AM, said:

I can't believe someone actually has voted for werewolf/vampire.

Concerning the missing tongues - tongue is one of the first bits of corpses the wildlife usually goes for so I see no problems in explaining that.

That all said, I do agree a little with TheSearcher - USSR did have a lot of secrets and while I doubt it's anything supernatural(personal opinion based on factual evidence), the KGB and the rest of the Government facilities could have probably labeled the case confidential.

I could be wrong though, I seem to vaguely remember a russian site that had some pretty extensive information about the whole incident and it may have stated there was seen no reason to make what was a hiking accident top secret. I will attempt to find the site but no promises.

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yeah, tongue is ONE of the first bits wildlife usually goes for, not the ONLY bit. just trying to show how you people are grasping to explain this occurrance.

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Posted 16 March 2010 - 10:45 AM

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do you mind citing your source of this information, for i've never heard of it. i HAVE heard of foxes eating the tongues of dead cattle before, along with the eyes, ears, and udders..... mmmm, where have i heard that before? oh yeah, it was my last post. this site, http://mynarskifores...om/ev17adit.htm, acknowledges that artic foxes actually hoard food in large caches, rather than wasting food. i've read this in other sites as well.
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um... that's not a fox... it's an american marten.... not found in russia. a pine marten is, although it probably isn't the wastefull feeder you are grasping at either. here's a link for info on the pine marten...My link
try listing some sources for your guesses and maybe they'll gain credence.
No it is a stoat and it is found all across Eurasia.

No one is saying a wasteful feeder, just speculating from the little information available.

Edited by Mattshark, 16 March 2010 - 10:47 AM.

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