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#211    S2F

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:26 PM

View PostSwampgasBalloonBoy, on 15 January 2013 - 10:18 PM, said:

I am just saying it's possible not to be detected. Do you think comercial radar is configured to detect anything other than commercial airlines?

No, but it would then follow that it is useless to use no returns on commercial radar as evidence of anything.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

View PostQuaentum, on 15 January 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Yet

it is just your claim and may not be factual.

It is factual, and I invite you to look into all this on your own if you don't believe me.


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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 15 January 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

No, but it would then follow that it is useless to use no returns on commercial radar as evidence of anything.

When people seen something that didn't register on radar. Would it be valid for the skeptics to point to it not being on radar as conclusive evidence that its was never there?


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:06 AM

View PostSwampgasBalloonBoy, on 15 January 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

When people seen something that didn't register on radar. Would it be valid for the skeptics to point to it not being on radar as conclusive evidence that its was never there?

No, It would only mean that the sighting doesn't have corroborating radar evidence, not necessarily that nothing was there or that nothing was seen.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:31 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 15 January 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

Right, "The government are, if nothing else, expert at the art of mis-direction."

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You've summed it all up in a "nutshell" already knowing that the proof & evidence you seek in this forum, has already been dissected by  specific government agencies whose agenda it is to intentionally mis-direct through the leaking of false & mis-leading information to the public.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:51 AM

View PostNiteMarcher, on 16 January 2013 - 12:31 AM, said:

You've summed it all up in a "nutshell" already knowing that the proof & evidence you seek in this forum, has already been dissected by  specific government agencies whose agenda it is to intentionally mis-direct through the leaking of false & mis-leading information to the public.

Riiiiight, that's probably what I'd say if I were gullible enought to believe in unevidenced ET's visiting earth while the various governments were carrying on with their multi-billion dollar "Black Projects" right under my nose. Gotta love the gullibility of the AA crowd, they make it soooo easy for governments and their military to hide what they do. :D

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:04 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 15 January 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

More have seen Santa than aliens and you're calling him a myth?!

I'd say no living person has seen the real St Nick who has been impersonated and lied about although it is done in a nice way, but many have seen the myth of Santa.  So more people alive have seen what they call "aliens".  Doesn't mean aliens are ETs from another star system, they could be something else much closer to home and the stories about them grew from lack of knowledge and tales just like the Santa Claus.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:18 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 16 January 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

No, It would only mean that the sighting doesn't have corroborating radar evidence, not necessarily that nothing was there or that nothing was seen.

This we can agree on.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:23 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 16 January 2013 - 12:51 AM, said:

Riiiiight, that's probably what I'd say if I were gullible enought to believe in unevidenced ET's visiting earth while the various governments were carrying on with their multi-billion dollar "Black Projects" right under my nose. Gotta love the gullibility of the AA crowd, they make it soooo easy for governments and their military to hide what they do. :D

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In the name of "National Security", i would not put anything pass them. History proven it.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:09 AM

View Postnopeda, on 11 January 2013 - 10:45 PM, said:

From my pov it seems that in a forum called Extraterrestrial Life & The UFO Phenomenon the starting line is to consider the possibility that xts HAVE BEEN HERE in some realistic way(s). It doesn't mean you have to accept it as what actually happened, and certainly not all claims and evidence that it has happened, but also certainly that it COULD HAVE happened. Yet the majority of people in this forum don't seem able to think realistically about the possibility that they have, but only about the possibility that they have not. And not always realistically about that either. For example I've never heard or read a good explanation about how people could microwave the stems of plants making them lay down and form complex designs in fields using no light and making no sound in about 3 hours time, but some just seem to take it for granted that people are doing it. How to produce the microwave energy without a generator people could hear? How to control and direct the energy if they could? How to control the fall of so many plants so they lay in the correct way while the microwave energy is somehow being created and applied?

There are also countless other things in addition to crop circles that would require being able to realistically consider the influence of xt influence in order to get to the starting line. Yet it seems that not only can most posters in this forum not :no: get to the starting line, but on top of that they're also often critical and insulting toward people who can and do. Good :yes: fun!

A lot of cover-up types come to these forums doing their PR. A troll and debunk routine to marginalize the subject matter. Anti-alien spin doctoring that sort of thing.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:14 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 16 January 2013 - 12:51 AM, said:

Riiiiight, that's probably what I'd say if I were gullible enought to believe in unevidenced ET's visiting earth while the various governments were carrying on with their multi-billion dollar "Black Projects" right under my nose. Gotta love the gullibility of the AA crowd, they make it soooo easy for governments and their military to hide what they do. :D

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Actually if there was nothing to ET it wouldn't be effective disinformation just like people wouldn't be make a huge fuss over ET.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:21 AM

No one has ever exaplained why ETs if flase would make effective disinformation like the Russians or Chinese would drink that kool-aid and you making a huge stink over aliens even though there is nothing to them have it all figured out. Blame it on secret Black buget stealth craft using tales of aliens to mask their activity. G T F O H

Edited by topsecretresearch, 16 January 2013 - 02:22 AM.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:22 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 15 January 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

oh dear, you really don't like people who aren't persuaded by your arguments, do you? Perhaps you might want to try to make your arguments a bit more persuasive, or perhaps use better analogies, then perhaps you might not have to respond in this manner. Perhaps you might want to think about trying that next time,
Or perhaps you want to read what I'm replying to. You aren't very bright are you?


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:31 AM

View Posttopsecretresearch, on 16 January 2013 - 02:14 AM, said:

Actually if there was nothing to ET it wouldn't be effective disinformation just like people wouldn't be make a huge fuss over ET.

There's a real simple analogy for that. If one is concentrating so hard on the con-man's (military/government's)  right hand, then they're NOT paying attention to his left. And from what I've seen from the AA crowd they can't seem to pull their attention away from the right hand. They're fed just enough BS to make it believable. I think it's so hilarious that some people/groups are so willing to be lied to. I wonder how many go snipe-hunting as well. :w00t:

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:53 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 15 January 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

It is factual, and I invite you to look into all this on your own if you don't believe me.

that sarbacher was told about it?

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S: I was told that they had recovered a UFO with some people in it.
F: Bodies, whatever.

S: I don't know, that's what I think was told.

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