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#16    badeskov

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 03:49 AM

MID on Jun 1 2009, 01:42 PM, said:

Yes, there's that too...although it seems to crap out every time the end of the calendar year approaches....

You might recall, all hell was to break loose on 1-1-01, but I never was able to gather any data to support that...


Hmm..maybe because of the beer/champagne/etc consumption on Dec. 31st the Jan. 1st tends to be sketchy for some of us? wink2.gif

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 04:31 AM

MID on Jun 1 2009, 02:42 PM, said:

Yes, there's that too...although it seems to crap out every time the end of the calendar year approaches....

You might recall, all hell was to break loose on 1-1-01, but I never was able to gather any data to support that...

Because the big voodoo computer god fixed the programing error to save our pathetic butts so we could yammer on and on about 2012 tongue.gif

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 01:05 PM

The Nibiru theory comes from Sitchin and even he says that 2012 is not when the celestial body returns.  His last Earth Chronicle book goes into when he believes something like a "return" might happen, but it does not fall in the year (or anywhere near) 2012.  This is all considering that his theory is right.  It's silly to see so many people jump on his bandwagon and not even know what he really thinks.  It's all people jumping to conclusions and making large assumptions based upon other people's research/investigations/theories.

In regards to the end date 12/21/2012 ~ it is the end of a cycle (one of many Mayan cycles) that was recorded by the Mayans called the Long Count.  This one cycle is made up of 13 Baktuns (each Baktun = 144,000 days) that span from 3113/3114 BC and end in 2012 AD.  Previously mentioned, this is one of many Cycles~ although this one has greater significance than most of the others.  The Mayans considered each 13 Baktun cycle of around 5,125 years to correspond to an "Age" or "Sun".  We are presently in the 5th Sun moving towards the 6th.  I doubt this transition has anything to do with extra-terrestrial visitations/celestial swing-by's of Nibiru etc  If anything it has to do with the movements of the Earth, Venus and the Sun and their relationships and the effects they have on our consciousness/weather patterns/evolution and more.

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The Maya began their Long Count on what they referred to as the ‘Birth of Venus.’ Scholars have never been able to determine what the Maya were referring to and neither have alternative researchers. Nevertheless their sacred calendar, the Tzolkin, placed the synodic cycles of Venus in a central role. The 104-year ‘Venus Round’ cycle (2 Calendar Rounds of 52 years each), was a very important ceremonial event as this was the point in time when the solar and sacred calendars realigned with the cycle of Venus.
I need to insert an important numerical progression at this point to provide a basis for the rest of the article. The number thirteen was a root number for the Maya.  It is both a prime number and the eighth number in the crucial Fibonacci series that is one source of the Golden Ratio, 1.618.

If we use 13 as the root of the Mayan calendar system we find the following sequence: 13, 26, 39, 52, 65, 78, 91 and 104, which are achieved by simply adding 13 to each succeeding sum. These are the key numbers in the Mayan calendrics and they have a solid scientific footing. Venus was the central component of the Mayan cosmology. It is for good reason that our nearest planetary neighbor is called earth’s sister planet. They have a phase-locked orbital cycle that is based on a 13:8 ratio. That is derived from the fact that Venus revolves around the sun 1.6 times faster than Earth so that 13 Venus revolutions is equal to 8 years.

Why is this important? By establishing Venus as the key component of the sacred calendar they automatically built the Golden Ratio (1.6) into the system since that ratio defines the difference
between the two planets orbital cycles. By using 13 as the root number they also included the crucial multiples, or powers, of thirteen - 13,000 and 26,000 - or half as well as the full number of years in the precession. We see that the 5 Suns, each lasting 5,125 years, also add up to the Great Zodiacal Year.
We can break these numbers down in different ways and each will show that there was nothing arbitrary about the Mayan system. We somewhat arrogantly disdain other cultures for being superstitious until we come to the number 13 and our own irrationality surfaces. But let’s examine how deeply embedded this number - as well as 26, 52 and 91 - are in our own calendar. Our year is divided into four seasons that are demarcated by the equinoxes and solstices.

Each of the four seasons is 91 days or 13 weeks long, which gives us a year of 52 weeks. We see the key Maya 13-base numerical progression reflected in our own calendar. Half of a year is 26 weeks. It is beyond the scope of this article to delve into all of the intricacies of the Mayan calendrical and mathematical systems; they were extremely adept in these fields.

What I have uncovered during my decades of research into this topic are two crucial keys to understanding the system: the ‘Transit of Venus’ and solar output cycles. It just so happens that the 2012 end date corresponds to a Venus Transit cycle that occurs twice in the next 10 years in 2004 and then in 2012. As mentioned above Venus was central to the Mayan cosmology. The Long Count began on what the Maya call the “Birth of Venus” so it is perhaps not too surprising that it ends on a Transit of Venus.

My research has revealed that a Transit of Venus occurred in 1518 and 1526. This was the period when Cortez landed on the shores of the Yucatan and wound up conquering the Aztec empire. The next transit was in 1631-’39. It was followed by a complete stoppage of the sunspot cycle, which lasted for 70 years (science has no explanation for this event). The ‘little ice age’ occurred between 1645 and 1720. What do we find associated with the next transit in 1761-‘69? We discover the birth of the American Revolution.

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It is my thought that the whole Nibiru arriving in 2012 concept is disinformation.


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Posted 02 June 2009 - 03:44 PM

Arent the other threads about this rediculas "theory" enough?
Nibru is all made up, period.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:21 PM

MirrorImage on Jun 2 2009, 11:44 AM, said:

Arent the other threads about this rediculas "theory" enough?
Nibru is all made up, period.


Discussion is completely acceptable on all accounts.  Just remember what you say ("Nibru is all made up, period") is your opinion and you're entitled to it.  It is not, however, fact or any more important than another's.  If you would like to share your conclusions on how you came about this, I'd love to hear it ~ but if you're just going to waste your own time talking about something you believe to be made up and offer no real thoughts then why not go to another thread.  You bring no substance and no material except to call another's theory "rediculas" and to say it's made up.  I came to this thread to share some clarification on Sitchin's own theory (he does not attest to the 2012 date).  Then I shared what I considered was the significance of the end of the Long Count calender of the Mayans (Venus, Solar/Lunar, Earth relationship) to help others understand another possibility.


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Posted 02 June 2009 - 05:29 PM

Tann on Jun 2 2009, 11:21 AM, said:

Discussion is completely acceptable on all accounts.  Just remember what you say ("Nibru is all made up, period") is your opinion and you're entitled to it.  It is not, however, fact or any more important than another's.  If you would like to share your conclusions on how you came about this, I'd love to hear it ~ but if you're just going to waste your own time talking about something you believe to be made up and offer no real thoughts then why not go to another thread.  You bring no substance and no material except to call another's theory "rediculas" and to say it's made up.  I came to this thread to share some clarification on Sitchin's own theory (he does not attest to the 2012 date).  Then I shared what I considered was the significance of the end of the Long Count calender of the Mayans (Venus, Solar/Lunar, Earth relationship) to help others understand another possibility.



There has been TONS of discussion about 2012, Niburu, Sitchin, the Maya and just about anything else you can dream up.

Read the thread and do a search for other threads with any of those words.

It has all been debunked repeatedly.

Nothing you are giving are "theories" in the scientific definition.  They are fantasies and "what if" scenarios if not flat out frauds.

Before you go after a poster for not buying into something that has been gone over you may want to read up on what has been discussed.

There is no real evidence to back up most of what you are looking to discuss.  

If you have new earth shattering information regarding Sitchin, start a thread.  Make the evidence the first post.

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 09:04 PM

badeskov on Jun 1 2009, 11:49 PM, said:

Hmm..maybe because of the beer/champagne/etc consumption on Dec. 31st the Jan. 1st tends to be sketchy for some of us? wink2.gif

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Posted 02 June 2009 - 11:16 PM

HerNibs on Jun 2 2009, 01:29 PM, said:

There has been TONS of discussion about 2012, Niburu, Sitchin, the Maya and just about anything else you can dream up.

Read the thread and do a search for other threads with any of those words.


I was talking specifically about this thread and was bringing up something I thought was interesting ~ there was no need for me to look up the past when I was trying to clarify something to someone now.

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It has all been debunked repeatedly.

Nothing you are giving are "theories" in the scientific definition.  They are fantasies and "what if" scenarios if not flat out frauds.


I was not stating the validity or invalidity of Sitchin's work.  I was clarifying it to those who are assuming he says anything about 2012 (which he repeatedly states is not when/if Nibiru returns).  If anything I am helping others to gain some more understanding so more threads like this do not happen.

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Before you go after a poster for not buying into something that has been gone over you may want to read up on what has been discussed.

There is no real evidence to back up most of what you are looking to discuss.  

If you have new earth shattering information regarding Sitchin, start a thread.  Make the evidence the first post.

HN


What I am discussing, if one takes the time to respectfully consider my written thoughts, is the relationships between the multiple Mayan cycles and their synchronizations.   It is FACT that planets revolve in orbits (or cycles) around the Sun.  It is FACT that these cycles were recorded from observations and the Mayans (as well as Babylonians, Chaldeans, Sumerians etc etc) made calenders representing said observations.  It is of importance to note that the end of the Solar Cycle and Venusian Cycle (their utmost patron) is very symbolic in my opinion.  I could speculate some more but I'll let that simmer a bit.







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