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#1    Riaan

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 06:05 PM

Hi all,

Many, if not the majority of Sitchin's theories have been rejected by scholars, often citing incorrect translation of the original Sumerian texts. I have no doubt that this is indeed the case, but where can one find more accurate translations? Perhaps all in one book, and not brief sections published in obscure academic papers?

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 06:06 PM

Given that the guy croaked, and that he never managed to actually translate any of the originals: I doubt it.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 06:26 PM

Zecharia Sitchin's Fiblations.


Amazon Book search, or Google "Cuneiform translation."

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 06:50 PM

Here are the tablets with lateral translations from the Oxford University Database  http://etcsl.orinst....i?charenc=gcirc   under search type a-nun-na  and instead of form in the next box click the arrow and use Lemma. It will bring up all of the tablets with the word Anunnaki in it. It wasn't that  the scholars thought his translation were wrong, they actually consider him a leading authority on the tablets. It was his liberal use of imagination and other cultures writings to fill in the blanks, for the missing pieces of cuneiform, to create a cohesive story about Bings from the planet Nibiru.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 07:26 PM

View PostForever Cursed, on 05 February 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

Here are the tablets with lateral translations from the Oxford University Database  http://etcsl.orinst....i?charenc=gcirc   under search type a-nun-na  and instead of form in the next box click the arrow and use Lemma. It will bring up all of the tablets with the word Anunnaki in it. It wasn't that  the scholars thought his translation were wrong, they actually consider him a leading authority on the tablets. It was his liberal use of imagination and other cultures writings to fill in the blanks, for the missing pieces of cuneiform, to create a cohesive story about Bings from the planet Nibiru.

Thanks for the information. The link appears to be of little use to anyone who does not understand Sumerian! I did search for a-nun-na, but only found references to this word - no full text translations. Am I missing something here?

PS: Just found a full text translation on the same website: http://etcsl.orinst....i?text=t.1.1.2#

Will see what else I can find, thanks!

Index of all translations here: http://etcsl.orinst....l.cgi?text=all#

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 07:44 PM

Go to the left and click on the blue lettering, this will bring up a sub menu, then go to the left and click on each number and it will bring up the appropriate tablet it's a lot of reading so enjoy !. Some will be just words, others will take you to entire tablets, all have been literally translated.  I recommend scrolling all the way to the top when you find a tablet and read the whole story, as opposed to just the text containing Anunnaki.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:18 PM

View PostForever Cursed, on 05 February 2014 - 07:44 PM, said:

Go to the left and click on the blue lettering, this will bring up a sub menu, then go to the left and click on each number and it will bring up the appropriate tablet it's a lot of reading so enjoy !. Some will be just words, others will take you to entire tablets, all have been literally translated.  I recommend scrolling all the way to the top when you find a tablet and read the whole story, as opposed to just the text containing Anunnaki.

Again, thanks so much!

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:31 PM

I don't believe Sitchin was able to translate anything. Sitchin made everything up.

Try reading this site which is written by a scholar that can translate the ancient texts.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 08:50 PM

View Poststereologist, on 05 February 2014 - 08:31 PM, said:

I don't believe Sitchin was able to translate anything. Sitchin made everything up.

Try reading this site which is written by a scholar that can translate the ancient texts.

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/

Thanks, I noticed the site, but did not actually visit - will do.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 09:05 PM

From his opening letter in Sitchin is wrong.
The reader must realize that the substance of my disagreement is not due to "translation philosophy," as though Mr. Sitchin and I merely disagree over possible translations of certain words. When it comes to the Mesopotamian sources, what is at stake is the integrity of the cuneiform tablets themselves, along with the legacy of Sumer and Mesopotamian scribes. Very simply, the ancient Mesopotamians compiled their own dictionaries - we have them and they have been published since the mid-20th century. The words Mr. Sitchin tells us refer to rocket ships have no such meanings according to the ancient Mesopotamians themselves. Likewise when Mr. Sitchin tells readers things like the Sumerians believed there were twelve planets, the Anunnaki were space travelers, Nibiru was the supposed 12th planet, etc., he is simply fabricating data. It isn't a question of how he translates texts; the issue is that these ideas don't exist in any cuneiform text at all. To persist in embracing Mr. Sitchin's views on this matter (and a host of others) amounts to rejecting the legacy of the ancient Sumerian and Akkadian scribes whose labors have come down to us from the ages. Put bluntly, is it more coherent to believe a Mesopotamian scribe's definition of a word, or Mr. Sitchin's?


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 06:24 AM

Besides the translations there are many problems with Sitchin's claims. Take astronomy. There are not many tablets from Sumer about astronomy. The reason it is believed they were interested in astronomy is that the Babylonians used Sumerian names for celestial objects. There are no records of any planets other than the ones visible tothe unaided eye. There are no Neptune or Uranus observations.

There is also physics. It runs out that it is not possible to have a planet with a highly eccentric orbit. The issue is transfer of momentum. It happens between the Earth and Sun and the Sun and Moon. The Earth's rotation slows down and the Moon recedes from the Earth. The Earth recedes from the Sun around 15m a year and the Moon recedes over 1cm a year. A planet in a highly eccentric orbit would have moved into a low eccentric orbit billions of years ago or been ejected from the solar system.

Lots of reasons exist to reject the tales of Sitchin.


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 03:01 PM

Sitchin's theories are controversial, no doubt about that. But then again, any time the belief of a social norm is challenged you are going to find resistance from specialists and scholars. I mean at one time science believed the world was flat, and they were wrong. At one time the earth was the center of the universe, and we are not. And at one time tomatoes were thought to be poisonous.  Science has declared species extinct that have suddenly re-appeared. We can sit here all day and show how experts and scientists have been wrong through out history and how beliefs were far from the truth. In the 12th planet Sitchin admits to taking liberties and shows you the paths used based on his using languages from other local tribes. But what amazes me the most is how 5 or 6 words out of the hundred of thousands deciphered has caused this up roar.


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 03:11 PM

View PostForever Cursed, on 06 February 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

Sitchin's theories are controversial, no doubt about that. But then again, any time the belief of a social norm is challenged you are going to find resistance from specialists and scholars. I mean at one time science believed the world was flat, and they were wrong. At one time the earth was the center of the universe, and we are not. And at one time tomatoes were thought to be poisonous.  Science has declared species extinct that have suddenly re-appeared. We can sit here all day and show how experts and scientists have been wrong through out history and how beliefs were far from the truth. In the 12th planet Sitchin admits to taking liberties and shows you the paths used based on his using languages from other local tribes. But what amazes me the most is how 5 or 6 words out of the hundred of thousands deciphered has caused this up roar.

Where you are wrong,as long as geography was a science (and not an oral tradition) it was known that the world was not flat. The nearest to that would be a hemisphere (before 300 BC). The flat a geocentric model was pushed by some who certainly were not scientists: astrologists. The world rather believes quacks than science, as demonstrated by Mr Sitchin amply.

And we are not talking about science here, we are talking about the translation of Sumerian seals, where demonstrably none said what Sitchin claimed. The best he ever did is interpreting the pictures on it. And even that he got wrong.

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 04:28 PM

View PostForever Cursed, on 06 February 2014 - 03:01 PM, said:

Sitchin's theories are controversial, no doubt about that. But then again, any time the belief of a social norm is challenged you are going to find resistance from specialists and scholars. I mean at one time science believed the world was flat, and they were wrong. At one time the earth was the center of the universe, and we are not. And at one time tomatoes were thought to be poisonous.  Science has declared species extinct that have suddenly re-appeared. We can sit here all day and show how experts and scientists have been wrong through out history and how beliefs were far from the truth. In the 12th planet Sitchin admits to taking liberties and shows you the paths used based on his using languages from other local tribes. But what amazes me the most is how 5 or 6 words out of the hundred of thousands deciphered has caused this up roar.

Sitchin is completely wrong. He is not controversial. He is completely wrong.

As Questionmark pointed out the idea that the world was flat was shown to be wrong probably before there was writing. As soon as people began to travel any distance they noticed that the stars changed position. That told them that the world was not flat. What shape was it? That was a harder question, but it certainly was not flat. That does not mean that a flat Earth model is not useful. It works for laying out a building or a town. Is a geocentric model useful? Sure. We employ it when we say that the sun rises and the sun sets. Tomatoes may not be poisonous, but it is in the nightshade family and the stems are poisonous. The discovery of species once thought to be extinct is hardly a failure.

Science is full of corrections because that is what science does. You skipped over phlogiston and spontaneous generation. These are better examples that many you chose. They are closer to discussions of science and scientific theories.

None of that has anything at all to do with Sitchin. Sitchin did not do any translations. Sitchin could not read cuneiform. Sitchin lied about things like Sumerian tablets about astronomy. They are in general not known to exist. Thus he could not have translated them. But Sitchin claims translations of these. It just shows how he made things up. It's all fiction.

What we do know is that his translations are malarkey. We know that the things he made up can't happen.

Why do you think anything by Sitchin has to do with the real world?


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Posted 06 February 2014 - 05:52 PM

Wow ~  If we toss Von Daniken into this pool of love we might have a round robin on our hands. :clap:





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