churchanddestroy Posted July 31, 2009 #1 Share Posted July 31, 2009 So I was watching CNN yesterday morning when I saw from Moveon.org. Commentaries on Healthcare legislation aside, this add irked me a little. Not that anyone would or should expect the Republicans to help pass the heathcare bill, but I didn't understand why the Republicans are being blamed for the slowing legislation. From what I've been reading in the papers and seeing on TV, the biggest hurdle that the Dems have come across is from their own party, namely the Blue Dog Coalition. So I sat there, a little miffed that Moveon is blaming the Republicans when the damning opposition to the bill is coming from within the Democratic party. I mean, the Democrats have a large majority in both the House and the Senate, and they have the Executive branch. The Republicans are basically powerless, the Democrats are filibuster proof in the senate. So why blame the Republicans for this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Honeybadger Posted July 31, 2009 #2 Share Posted July 31, 2009 I agree. The Blue-dogs are very concerned about the monsterous ammount of debt that we are taking on. ( And rightfully so ) That, and what seems to be this fast-paced rush to ram these spending bills through Congress without taking the needed time to sift through it all. I would like to see this administration back off alittle and slow things down abit. No one says that you have to slam the brakes on. Just slow the spending-bus down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startraveler Posted July 31, 2009 #3 Share Posted July 31, 2009 The Blue Dogs were holding on for alterations in the structure of the small business exemption from the employer mandate. The Republicans are telling old people the bill will result in them being put to death by their government (not to mention about 150 other lies). Who's the real problem here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudo Intellectual Posted July 31, 2009 #4 Share Posted July 31, 2009 MoveOn? Anyone who supports that group or even thinks they're "smart" is clearly a MorOn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted August 1, 2009 #5 Share Posted August 1, 2009 So why blame the Republicans for this one? Because you're not paying attention: Today, the Hill quoted an anonymous influential lobbyist who claimed a key strategy of defeating Obama’s reforms is to “create delays” and when negotiations break down, to seize the “opportunity to outright kill a proposal.” Despite Kyl’s professed innocence, Senate Republicans have been on the front lines of this delay and kill approach: Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA): “I take pride with being an obstructionist.” [Politico, 7/6/09] Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC): “I think we can stop it in the Senate. … We cannot afford to lose the health care battle.” [Fox News, 6/30/09] Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY): “It needs to slow down.” [senator McConnell Press Office, 7/6/09] Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK): “I think the first thing [on health reform] is, slow down guys.” [senate Republican Caucus Video, 7/14/09] Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS): “Maybe we could put something underneath that and say: ‘Slow Down’ or maybe in the language of my State ‘Whoa.’” [senator Floor, 7/14/09] Sen. Mike Enzi: “We need to slow down.” [senator Enzi Press Office, 6/8/09] source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchanddestroy Posted August 3, 2009 Author #6 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Because you're not paying attention:source No, I know what the Republicans have said, and I know they're not going to budge, and anyone with half a brain should be able to figure out that they will not ever budge on this. So why run an add about it? The Republican party is such a dismal failure at this point. They can't get themselves standing straight. My point here is why wouldn't MoveOn run a campaign telling people who have "Blue Dog" representatives to contact the "Blue Dog" Coalition telling them to get a move on? The Republicans 1. aren't going to budge, and 2. are at the political disadvantage to stop Obama's legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted August 3, 2009 #7 Share Posted August 3, 2009 My point here is why wouldn't MoveOn run a campaign telling people who have "Blue Dog" representatives to contact the "Blue Dog" Coalition telling them to get a move on? In fact, they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 3, 2009 #8 Share Posted August 3, 2009 No, I know what the Republicans have said, and I know they're not going to budge, and anyone with half a brain should be able to figure out that they will not ever budge on this. Anyone with a brain knows they don't even need Republican votes. I think its members in the Democratic party. you have public support going down, unemployment in a few states that Obama won in the 15% unemployment range and they keep spending more and more money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
churchanddestroy Posted August 4, 2009 Author #9 Share Posted August 4, 2009 In fact, they have. So why are they even bothering with the Republicans? They're powerless to stop a unified Democratic party, at least right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Startraveler Posted August 4, 2009 #10 Share Posted August 4, 2009 They're not powerless to stop health care reform. They can and are influencing the public debate and popular perceptions of the bill (see the vast amount of misconceptions about it that are popping up). MoveOn's ad is an attempt to discredit them and their false arguments by exposing, using prominent Republicans' own words, the motives behind them. The less you trust a guy, the less you buy into his arguments. If people keep buying what the Republicans are selling, the Democrats are in for a rocky September. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 4, 2009 #11 Share Posted August 4, 2009 They're not powerless to stop health care reform. They can and are influencing the public debate and popular perceptions of the bill (see the vast amount of misconceptions about it that are popping up). MoveOn's ad is an attempt to discredit them and their false arguments by exposing, using prominent Republicans' own words, the motives behind them. The less you trust a guy, the less you buy into his arguments. If people keep buying what the Republicans are selling, the Democrats are in for a rocky September. Lets step away from the Republicans for just one sec, why should the public believe what Obama has said giving how wrong he was on the stimulis package or even how much this will cost. how can you run on change when your getting twice as much spending? I think the Republicans for the most part are a sad group and the change from Republican to Democratic control is just as sad its like you go from one extream to another.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted August 4, 2009 #12 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Lets step away from the Republicans for just one sec, why should the public believe what Obama has said giving how wrong he was on the stimulis package Ok how exactly was he "wrong" on the Stimulus? It seems to be working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marda Posted August 4, 2009 #13 Share Posted August 4, 2009 The Blue Dogs were holding on for alterations in the structure of the small business exemption from the employer mandate.The Republicans are telling old people the bill will result in them being put to death by their government (not to mention about 150 other lies). Who's the real problem here? That is true, they don't even need a republican, they're just playing to their base and making everyone think the republicans are evil people who hate helping others. Ok how exactly was he "wrong" on the Stimulus? It seems to be working. Actually, unemployment is worse now than Obama said it would have been without the stimulus. that might also explain why the whitehouse was/still is delaying a report on the budget update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 4, 2009 #14 Share Posted August 4, 2009 Ok how exactly was he "wrong" on the Stimulus? It seems to be working. How do you see it working? most companies that are reporting good earnings are from overseas sales like IBM and Caterpillar. financials are doing good because they have access to money for almost nothing, investment firms are making good money selling government debt. so many sectors have been slashing jobs and cutting costs just to meet estimates. most companies wont even report or comment on future earnings, sales or guidance. I'm sure alot of people are happy with all these social programs Obama has passed or is in the works. the government has about 2 trillion it has bought from the U.S. Treasury. if and when the economy picks up, the government will have to reverse what it has pumped in the economy, if it doesn't, then you will see inflation, because there will be so much money in the economy chasing to few products and services. if the economy picks up fast and the government acts to late then you could see hyperinflation. at that point, theres very little Obama can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted August 5, 2009 #15 Share Posted August 5, 2009 Actually, unemployment is worse now than Obama said it would have been without the stimulus. In economics, the unemployment rate lags the recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninjadude Posted August 5, 2009 #16 Share Posted August 5, 2009 How do you see it working? as Aroces is fond if claiming, the stock market recovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caesar Posted August 5, 2009 #17 Share Posted August 5, 2009 as Aroces is fond if claiming, the stock market recovered. How do you see it working? most companies that are reporting good earnings are from overseas sales like IBM and Caterpillar. financials are doing good because they have access to money for almost nothing, investment firms are making good money selling government debt. so many sectors have been slashing jobs and cutting costs just to meet estimates. most companies wont even report or comment on future earnings, sales or guidance. We had the news yesterday that tax receipts, revenue to the Treasury hasn't been this low since the thirties, personal income fell 1.3%, spending rose 0.1 percent in May. is this the recovery your talking about ninjadude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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