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#481    Myles

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:39 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 20 April 2013 - 01:22 AM, said:

If we torture him, then are we any better then he is? I don't necessarily think he should be given the royal treatment, but basic human necessities should be his. Give him the rights that he took away from others (man, I feel like Denzel Washington in "The Siege", his final speech to Bruce Willis - "you have the right NOT to be killed, NOT to be tortured, rights you took away from Tariq Husseini").

Yes we would be better than him.   Not saying we should torture him, but if he refuses to cooperate, measures should be taken.

I wish I could punch him.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 01:45 AM

View Postseeder, on 20 April 2013 - 01:27 AM, said:



well if he gave up without shooting himself it would seem he is afraid to die...think about it. For sure he will get a few slaps round the head, thats is UNLESS he just comes out with his story .

He is a 19 year old BOY. Not a highly trained in anti-interrogation-methods SAS member!  Why torture him? The worlds media are on him!  Any bruises or similar will be immediately seized upon.... no - this guy will talk.
I told my lady the same thing earlier tonight. This kid will crack like an egg. Think about how cocky he was wearing his hat backwards and no glasses. If he'd have been incognito like his brother they'd have probably never been identified. I'll bet he thought they'd never get caught. He's gotta be shtting himself ATM.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:05 AM

I think this discussion maymigrate to "profiling".  
Especially since I brought it up.  :yes: :yes:

I for one don't have too much of an issue with keeping my eyes on those with a higher probability of being trouble.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:35 AM

Honestly, it had been one rough week. But now we can all rest easily knowing these guys won't harm anymore people. The police officers can go to bed since they've been working their butts off.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:36 AM

Imagine how much business Boston bars and taverns will do tonight?


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:41 AM

View PostMyles, on 20 April 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

I think this discussion maymigrate to "profiling".  
Especially since I brought it up.  :yes: :yes:

I for one don't have too much of an issue with keeping my eyes on those with a higher probability of being trouble.
Myles do you ever wonder when Americans ceased having common sense?   Was it in the 90's?  We seem more concrned with offending an enemy's feelings than in protecting our own way of life.  What did the man say?  You cain't fix STUPID :(

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 02:57 AM

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Myles do you ever wonder when Americans ceased having common sense?   Was it in the 90's?  We seem more concrned with offending an enemy's feelings than in protecting our own way of life.  What did the man say?  You cain't fix STUPID :(

But by alienating an entire group, and entire religion (over 1 billion people) are you really willing to create 1 billion enemies? There are bad groups of people in every ethnic and religious group. There are terrorists and murders in every group of people. The only thing is, since 9/11 people have been so busy with the Muslim Extremists that you will forget about the guy in the back yard.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:23 AM

View PostThanato, on 20 April 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

But by alienating an entire group, and entire religion (over 1 billion people) are you really willing to create 1 billion enemies? There are bad groups of people in every ethnic and religious group. There are terrorists and murders in every group of people. The only thing is, since 9/11 people have been so busy with the Muslim Extremists that you will forget about the guy in the back yard.

You cannot ignore those who pose a higher risk.   I understand it's a fine line, but we must use our resources wisely.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:49 AM

^

Internement camps are possible because of views like yours. Certain Germans had the same line of thinking towards Jews that you now display.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 03:57 AM

View Postand then, on 20 April 2013 - 02:41 AM, said:

Myles do you ever wonder when Americans ceased having common sense?   Was it in the 90's?  We seem more concrned with offending an enemy's feelings than in protecting our own way of life.  What did the man say?  You cain't fix STUPID

With all respect, this is how you might characterize those with whose views you disagree with.

It is not really about not wanting to offend the enemy. We also have a sense of fairness and morality (not the same type as you have either) but it is rooted in wanting to be fair and honor our own sense of morals just as much as your logic honors your sense of morals.

We characterize your view as wanting to hurt others, devaluation of the life of others, based in fear, and propagating an us vs them mindest.

I think we can agree that we both want peace but have different ways of achieving it. You blame us for putting others ahead of us while we accuse you of having a backward approach because violence will not increase peace but make more violence.

I get it though, hit them hard and fast, or even eliminate them and we will be safe.

I disagree.

For us it is be fair and understand more and we can achieve peace. I want to understand your view too but I don't or can't...it makes no sense to me.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 20 April 2013 - 04:00 AM.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:14 AM

View PostMyles, on 20 April 2013 - 03:23 AM, said:

You cannot ignore those who pose a higher risk.   I understand it's a fine line, but we must use our resources wisely.

This is what the Israelis do, and it works very well. No point targeting grandmothers, infants and other non-threatening people and concentrate on those identifiable groups that are. And no, the idea of internments camps is just a fallacious slippery slope argument.


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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:20 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 20 April 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:



With all respect, this is how you might characterize those with whose views you disagree with.

It is not really about not wanting to offend the enemy. We also have a sense of fairness and morality (not the same type as you have either) but it is rooted in wanting to be fair and honor our own sense of morals just as much as your logic honors your sense of morals.

We characterize your view as wanting to hurt others, devaluation of the life of others, based in fear, and propagating an us vs them mindest.

I think we can agree that we both want peace but have different ways of achieving it. You blame us for putting others ahead of us while we accuse you of having a backward approach because violence will not increase peace but make more violence.

I get it though, hit them hard and fast, or even eliminate them and we will be safe.

I disagree.

For us it is be fair and understand more and we can achieve peace. I want to understand your view too but I don't or can't...it makes no sense to me.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:26 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 20 April 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

With all respect, this is how you might characterize those with whose views you disagree with.

It is not really about not wanting to offend the enemy. We also have a sense of fairness and morality (not the same type as you have either) but it is rooted in wanting to be fair and honor our own sense of morals just as much as your logic honors your sense of morals.

We characterize your view as wanting to hurt others, devaluation of the life of others, based in fear, and propagating an us vs them mindest.

I think we can agree that we both want peace but have different ways of achieving it. You blame us for putting others ahead of us while we accuse you of having a backward approach because violence will not increase peace but make more violence.

I get it though, hit them hard and fast, or even eliminate them and we will be safe.

I disagree.

For us it is be fair and understand more and we can achieve peace. I want to understand your view too but I don't or can't...it makes no sense to me.
Your view, respectfully, is simply naive.  I am completely aware that striking at an enemy p***es that enemy off.  But they would not BE an enemy had they not struck us first.  Sometimes one has to accept that these issues really do get down to fighting or simply submitting.  Your view is one of submission.  I won't call it cowardice because I don't really know you or your motivations.  But the truth is that some things we fight or we accept and I am unwilling to accept the way of life these barbaric throwbacks would enforce on my child, my family.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:34 AM

But I consider your view as the barbaric throwback that will harm my family.

Just as barbaric as the view of the terrorists which you enable or even create.

I consider you and them (terrorists) the same (and equally part of the problem) and I know that there are others over there who think like me but it is the terrorist view and yours (very related imo) that gets more airtime because you both yell louder and use stronger language than us.

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Posted 20 April 2013 - 04:39 AM

View Postand then, on 20 April 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

Your view, respectfully, is simply naive.  I am completely aware that striking at an enemy p***es that enemy off.  But they would not BE an enemy had they not struck us first.  Sometimes one has to accept that these issues really do get down to fighting or simply submitting.  Your view is one of submission.  I won't call it cowardice because I don't really know you or your motivations.  But the truth is that some things we fight or we accept and I am unwilling to accept the way of life these barbaric throwbacks would enforce on my child, my family.
struck you first ? ... in which  reality ?
your opinion sounds like crusade more than unwilling to accept things forced on you
wanna go back to 911 ? who done it ? Al-Quada right ? who made them to fight the soviot union ? usa no ?
usa did not get struck first usa struck them thousands times before getting struck
.. just to clear facts up the most high terrorism sect is your own doing
if you wanna blame some one .. blame your goverment for making Al-Qada to fight soviots

while am really supportive of people resistance of anything forced on them and have any right to do so
but keep in mind that so do we  have that right
i see no invasion on usa i only see couple of bearly mature kids that easily got fooled into doing something stupid
and they're going to pay for what they did
but to generalize " us " as enemies .. not even your goverment would dare to say so
i see no muslims putting sword to your neck and telling you how to live as a general pattern
so i honestly think you need to clear your head on this one and think logically

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