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#1    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

http://www.usatoday....survey/1804353/

Marine archaeologists report they have uncovered new secrets of an ancient Roman shipwreck famed for yielding an amazingly sophisticated astronomical calculator. An international survey team says the ship is twice as long as originally thought and contains many more calcified objects amid the ship's lost cargo that hint at new discoveries.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:03 PM

Here's another interesting article about it. I find it a rather interesting subject.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:05 PM

Especially when we know it wasnt only one.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:09 PM

View Postthe L, on 05 January 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

Especially when we know it wasnt only one.

Why would you suppose it was the only one? my bet is that many successful astrologists ordered themselves one. made calculating that much easier.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:14 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 January 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Why would you suppose it was the only one? my bet is that many successful astrologists ordered themselves one. made calculating that much easier.

I tend to agree with you. It would stand to reason that it was not the only one. It might have been rare and a prized possession, but I doubt it was the only one of its kind.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:16 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 January 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Why would you suppose it was the only one? my bet is that many successful astrologists ordered themselves one. made calculating that much easier.

Yes but I assume that there were two restrictions:
( a ) The price. Manufacturing such a device was surely very expensive.
( b ) The secret: Different to modern understanding of science which publishes everything ancient scientists often kept their knowledge in order to profit, in order to keep renommé for their own school, etc.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:30 PM

View PostProclus, on 05 January 2013 - 05:16 PM, said:

Yes but I assume that there were two restrictions:
( a ) The price. Manufacturing such a device was surely very expensive.
( b ) The secret: Different to modern understanding of science which publishes everything ancient scientists often kept their knowledge in order to profit, in order to keep renommé for their own school, etc.

A good astrologist could make a fortune then and now, and no, it probably was not as expensive as you think as geared mechanisms were known since Aristotle (384 BC) and the best know example of early mechanical works was located in the Tower of the Winds in Athens  ( a water driven clock called horologion)  dating from the second century BC. The only question is: "How big was the market for such mechanical devices"?

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:34 PM

I would assume that the market wasn't that extensive though, since the people able to use the things in the first place, were also usually the people fabricating them.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:04 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 05 January 2013 - 05:14 PM, said:

... but I doubt it was the only one of its kind.


You dont have to doubt. We have historical records which said there was atleast 4 or 5 of them.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:11 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 January 2013 - 05:30 PM, said:

A good astrologist could make a fortune then and now, and no, it probably was not as expensive as you think as geared mechanisms were known since Aristotle (384 BC) and the best know example of early mechanical works was located in the Tower of the Winds in Athens  ( a water driven clock called horologion)  dating from the second century BC. The only question is: "How big was the market for such mechanical devices"?

Very small.
What device from time of Aristotle?

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:16 PM

View Postthe L, on 05 January 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

Very small.
What device from time of Aristotle?

His writings, I am not aware of any device. You can read about them in his Physical Theories.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 08:56 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 January 2013 - 06:16 PM, said:

His writings, I am not aware of any device. You can read about them in his Physical Theories.

I will search it. Btw thanks on info about Towers of the Winds. First voice about it.

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Posted 05 January 2013 - 11:23 PM

View Postthe L, on 05 January 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

Very small.
What device from time of Aristotle?

I would research Archimedes of Syracuse, he is generally considered to be the greatest mathematician of antiquity and one of the greatest of all time. Among his advances in physics are the foundations of hydrostatics, statics and an explanation of the principle of the lever. He is credited with designing innovative machines, including siege engines and the screw pump that bears his name.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:10 PM

From Wiki - A brief description:


"In short, the Antikythera Mechanism was a machine designed to predict celestial phenomena according to the sophisticated astronomical theories current in its day, the sole witness to a lost history of brilliant engineering, a conception of pure genius, one of the great wonders of the ancient world—but it didn’t really work very well!"
—The Cosmos in the Antikythera Mechanism , 2012


Edit: So hopefully they can find a complete mechanism to confirm what's already known or better yet, expand on it.

Edited by Timonthy, 06 January 2013 - 01:12 PM.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:29 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 January 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

Why would you suppose it was the only one? my bet is that many successful astrologists ordered themselves one. made calculating that much easier.

Where are they all then?  Not another found in two millenia yet you suppose they were quite common.  Why?

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