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#46    Harte

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 12:32 PM

crystal sage on Mar 13 2008, 09:43 PM, said:

wink2.gif   Note the similarity to the above submerged city???


http://atlantis.haktanir.org/ch7.html

and they are trying to say Bimini is a natural formation
http://www.greatdreams.com/bermuda.htm
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  considered a geofact
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The simple beach rock (which can be found all over the world - even on dry land) that the Cayce worshipers found off Bimini has been dated to 4,000 - 6,000 BC or so, not 12,000 BC as the linked article stated.

There is no doubt among geologists that this is beach rock, pure and simple, and not some sort of construction.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 02:18 PM

http://www.edgarcayce.org/am/bimini2005report.html
Updated Report on May 2005 Bimini—Andros Expedition: Bimini Road-An Ancient Harbor

by Dr. Greg Little
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http://archaeoblog.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html
Bimini 'Harbor' update Dr. Greg Little (mentioned in this post on the Bimini 'harbor' responds:

    Most academic archaeologists will greatly dislike what is presented. It
    is not a pleasant revelation, but the facts will speak for themselves.
    I have already had ardent Bimini skeptics who started with ridicule, but
    then did what it took to verify the facts--by reading the articles cited
    and checking the exact quotes--completely reverse their opinions and
    express absolute disgust and outright anger at what happened
    . . .

    Archaeologist Bill Donato was involved in the expedition and research.
    No one is suggesting the two sites that were investigated have anything
    to do with Atlantis or Cayce, despite any prior speculation or claims
    about it. There are two separate underwater formations at Bimini
    separated by about a mile. One of the sites is a series of consistently
    spaced stone circles, comprised of massive blocks of limestone arranged
    into circular patters. The other formation is typically called the
    "Bimini Road." The report has 70 photos depicting the finds, all of
    which directly contradict all the assertions made by 4 skeptical
    geologists and one archaeologist who was never there. The formations are
    identical in size, shape, and construction to a host of ancient
    Mediterranean harbors, nearly all of which were made from beachrock.

    . . .

    I totally understand the skeptical reaction and am sympathetic. I even
    had a summary of 1980s research published in the Skeptical Inquirer.
   Scientific "truths" do change, and should do so, as knowledge is
    furthered.
Even long-held cherished beliefs, such as "Clovis-first," can
    collapse, although it is painful and can seem to take more time than
    some like.


http://www.atlantisquest.com/Bahama.html



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http://newsphiles.org/bimini-2007-architec...-by-scientists/


Ancient buildings finally seen for what they are; ancient building constructions. While geologists tried to deny rocks as ‘natural phenomenon’ other scientists spent years investigating.


http://www.mysterious-america.net/ancientmysteries.html



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Posted 14 March 2008 - 03:05 PM

crystal sage on Mar 14 2008, 08:18 AM, said:

http://www.edgarcayce.org/am/bimini2005report.html
Updated Report on May 2005 Bimini—Andros Expedition: Bimini Road-An Ancient Harbor

by Dr. Greg Little
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Dr. Greg Little holds a doctorate in therapy from the University of Memphis.

Your link states:

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Ancient buildings finally seen for what they are; ancient building constructions. While geologists tried to deny rocks as ‘natural phenomenon’ other scientists spent years investigating.

The only people that see these as "ancient building constructions" are Little and his crew.

Your linked site links to another article, that article is written by Greg Little, not some "other scientists."

The "other scientists" that have "spent years investigating" mentioned above are Little, his wife, and a Bill Donato, holder of a Masters Degree in Archaeology that has never produced any archaeology other than the bogus crap from Bimini.
Donato's masters thesis was about how Atlantis might have existed.

"Marble columns," found years ago near the site, were found amid other stuff such as hardened bags of concrete.  All of it was ballast used over the centuries.  Perfectly explainable and very, very common in the area.

Spanish, French, English, Portugese and many others used crumbled architectural pieces from the Romans and Greeks (among others)  as ballast on their ships since people have been sailing these waters. Until it was all used up.

This is why Little doesn't analyze these "architectural" pieces - because he knows what the results will be and his gravy train in Bimini would end.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 10:57 PM

Harte on Mar 14 2008, 05:05 PM, said:

"Marble columns," found years ago near the site, were found amid other stuff such as hardened bags of concrete.  All of it was ballast used over the centuries.  Perfectly explainable and very, very common in the area.

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Not only as ballast, on the island I live on, every farmer, should he happen to find a column on his property, will dump it into the sea ASAP to avoid having the archaeologist digging up his land. That way a whole acropolis including Poseidon Temple disappeared.

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Posted 14 March 2008 - 11:26 PM

crystal sage on Mar 14 2008, 04:18 PM, said:

http://www.edgarcayce.org/am/bimini2005report.html
Updated Report on May 2005 Bimini—Andros Expedition: Bimini Road-An Ancient Harbor

by Dr. Greg Little
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hmmm.. the disadvantage of knowing how to dive, not knowing anything about sailing and having quite a fantasy:

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ballast stones

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more ballast stones

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 07:49 AM

Q? that website on the Angra C wreck shows how actual diving and underwater archaeology works.
CS...does your websites which refer to the so called bimini stones have done similar in detail research on site?
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Posted 15 March 2008 - 01:03 PM


The last one I read about was the structure off the Japanese coast. It's a fascinating subject and I'm looking forward to seeing the results from any further underwater investigation. thumbsup.gif



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Posted 19 March 2008 - 09:11 PM

Really interesting pictures and reads ... thanks a lot guys.  Hmm, based off these pictures the idea of a natural formation is doubtful.  This certainly raises quite a few amount of questions.  I really like the idea of a past great civilization that left Earth via space and is out there today elsewhere.  These underwater pyramids are what is left of them.  It is an interesting theory.  Only about 4% of our oceans have been THOROUGHLY explored, who knows what other structures are dwelling in the ocean, or perhaps in other layers of the planet.  All things to think about  wink2.gif  ... I especially like the thing I heard that the deserts were formed by nuclear wars from these past civilizations.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:18 AM

View PostThe Spartan, on 29 February 2008 - 04:09 PM, said:

one more..some straight lines off cuba...
<img src="http://www.satellite...a/cuba_5_A.jpg" border='0' alt='linked-image'>

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There could be a perfectly reasonable and rational explanation for these curious looking lines.

These are likely to be anchor-drag lines on the sea-floor from large ships moored in the area. Ships are known to drag their anchors along the ocean floor, particularly during bad weather, and create extremely long scars that look just like the following image:

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The above image is a sonar image of a deep trench dug by the dragging of a ship anchor through the sand on the bottom of the sea.  More than likely, the images posted here of mysterious lines underneath the waves are nothing more than the build up (over several decades) of ships dragging their anchors along the sea-floor.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:26 AM

View Postradionactive, on 23 August 2010 - 07:18 AM, said:

There could be a perfectly reasonable and rational explanation for these curious looking lines.

These are likely to be anchor-drag lines on the sea-floor from large ships moored in the area. Ships are known to drag their anchors along the ocean floor, particularly during bad weather, and create extremely long scars that look just like the following image:

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The above image is a sonar image of a deep trench dug by the dragging of a ship anchor through the sand on the bottom of the sea.  More than likely, the images posted here of mysterious lines underneath the waves are nothing more than the build up (over several decades) of ships dragging their anchors along the sea-floor.

Any other suggestions would be secondary.

First of all welcome to UM, home of the fringers and skeptics alike, the grand arena of knowledge, where we discuss in a civilized (and sometimes not so civilized) manner.  :D

Secondly, nice post, I actually never thought about it that way, although I knew that ships sometimes drag their anchors. I never realized the drag marks would stay that visible of that long a time. You learn something new every day.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:35 AM

View PostThe Spartan, on 29 February 2008 - 01:25 PM, said:

i dont understand why the people are not interested in actual underwater/submerged real cities and are more interested in disputed strucutures??

i recollect somewhere in one topic, emma had posted the picture of a rock formation on the yonaguchi island, which looked same as the structrures found under water.


This is true.

One simply has to look at the southern coastline of Yonaguni Island to see for themselves that the entire bedrock of the island shows similar straight-fracture features. Look along the southern cliff faces and you will see large areas of shattered rock that has the same, square and jagged appearance to it.

Even look along the water's edge and underneath the shallow waters off most of the southern coastline of Yonaguni Island.  You will see that much of the same, squarish jagged rockbed runs underwater and straight towards the area where the actual structure itself lies.  Also, the actual structure is attached to the island by an underwater isthmus, which is not visible in satellite images nor indicated in those drawings you posted.  The drawings and diagrams give one the impression that 'The Stadium', or 'underwater city' is a standalone structure seemingly carved out of stone.  It is actually attached to the island by a long bridge of fractured rock.

I'm afraid that all the evidence suggests that it is nothing more than a natural rock formation.

Check Google Earth, Google Maps, Bing Maps or fullscreenmaps.com for a good look at Yonaguni Island :)

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:38 AM

View PostTheSearcher, on 23 August 2010 - 07:26 AM, said:

First of all welcome to UM, home of the fringers and skeptics alike, the grand arena of knowledge, where we discuss in a civilized (and sometimes not so civilized) manner.  :D

Secondly, nice post, I actually never thought about it that way, although I knew that ships sometimes drag their anchors. I never realized the drag marks would stay that visible of that long a time. You learn something new every day.

Hey, thanks! :D

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But, at the end of the day... I find the bizarre to be so much more interesting :)

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:43 AM

View PostTheSearcher, on 23 August 2010 - 07:26 AM, said:

First of all welcome to UM, home of the fringers and skeptics alike, the grand arena of knowledge, where we discuss in a civilized (and sometimes not so civilized) manner.  :D

Secondly, nice post, I actually never thought about it that way, although I knew that ships sometimes drag their anchors. I never realized the drag marks would stay that visible of that long a time. You learn something new every day.

Usually drag lines that run through sand disappear quite quickly, but if there is a lot of bedrock, reef or other form of solid bottom then the drag lines can remain visible for half a century or more.  Particularly if the anchor dug quite deep and left a lot of physical damage.

When an anchor drags along the bottom of the sea, it can scrape along rock and dig through reef like a plough... leaving a scar that can take a very long time to 'heal' or wear away.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:26 AM

View Postradionactive, on 23 August 2010 - 07:43 AM, said:

Usually drag lines that run through sand disappear quite quickly, but if there is a lot of bedrock, reef or other form of solid bottom then the drag lines can remain visible for half a century or more.  Particularly if the anchor dug quite deep and left a lot of physical damage.

When an anchor drags along the bottom of the sea, it can scrape along rock and dig through reef like a plough... leaving a scar that can take a very long time to 'heal' or wear away.

Blast, I should have thought of that myself. It makes perfect sense that scars withing the bedrock itself would of course be visible a lot longer, even if covered by some of the sand down there. The texture / relief of it would still show up of course.

Yonaguni Island has been discussed in UM as well, I don't remember the exact thread though. It is without question a natural formation, once you stop seeing all of it out of context, but as a whole and attached to the rock bridge.

You'll find that some of the more fanatic fringe types, will have a hard time admitting the more realistic possibility.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:29 AM

i read some but not all of this post and for the people that dont see how cities can be underwater its simple. thousands of years ago the sea level was much higher.

In Japan the  Yonaguni megalith is undoubtedly manmade yet it has been underwater since at least 8000 BC. It is 8 stories high, 500 feet long with internal and external right angles, steps, rooms, and “the Stage” altar-like area with huge human faces and headdresses carved into the stones.

In the Gulf of Cambay in Northwest India are two multiple mile long/wide underwater cities which taken together are the size of Manhattan.

About 2000 human fossilized remains have been found in these cities and have all carbon dated to around 7500 BC. Many underwater ruins have been found off the coast of Cuba 2,200 feet below sea level. There have been over 200 sunken cities found in the Mediterranean alone. The possibility of a literal flood is not to be scoffed at.

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