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[Abramelin]

The causative energy was itself a true mystery, requiring a name. Looking into Germanic mythology, he sought some term, which could describe the permeating nature of this strange current. "Odos" in Ancient Greek meant "roadway". "Voda" in Old Norse means, "I go quickly ...! stream forth". "Odylle", "Ode", and "Od", the names, which Reichenbach gave to this singularly fundamental energy, also referred to Wodin, the "all-transcending one". The name was the first of a new technical lexicon, which Reichenbach would build throughout the next few decades, despite final and loud academic protests. Od energy represented a Victorian revelation, an opening of ancient knowledge. Od energy was far more than an ordinary inertial force. Od was an energy, which somehow linked sensation and the world, a personal energy that connected individuals directly with the very core of natural reality.

http://customers.hbc...ry/odenergy.htm

So, he just sought a suitable word for that form of energy he thought to have discovered.

Had he read about 'prana' he may have chosen that word, and we would have that word, or a distorted, 'Old Frisian-ish' form of it, in the OLB, instead of OD.

Heh, then Wralda would have given the earth mothers some "branie" (which comes from Malaysian, btw), or 'courage', and we would be discussing that word for pages on end.

[Van Gorp]

Od can point to germanic origin (auda): pretty archaic word to be linked with and still visible in words as "klein-ood" and "arm-oede" and "heim-at" (ode, oede, at -> pointing to richness, something good, ...)
Old names (Xth century) carry it also: Odillon, Odette

See below kleinood from Wiki, link with Ooievaar.  Still in use in flanders (maybe also Netherlands: when a baby is born, they tell the ooievaar brought it :-):

De etymologie van kleinood is onzeker. Geopperd is, dat de uitgang -ood dezelfde herkomst zou kunnen hebben als -oede in armoede en at in Heimat, maar het Nederlands etymologisch woordenboek acht een verband met het Middeleeuws Latijnse clenodium waarschijnlijker. De uitgang van clenodium zou teruggaan op het Germaanse auda, wat in latere afleidingen opduikt met betekenissen als bezit, gelukzaligheid en rijkdom. Via auda en audr legt het woordenboek verbanden met woorden als ooievaar (een geluksbrenger) en olijk

[Van Gorp]

And of course all good and god-like come from ge-oed :-)

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin, on 07 October 2012 - 12:42 PM, said:

The first thing Wralda did is 'spice' them with his 'breath', or ADEM in Dutch, then he gave them 'life-force' or OD, or better OD entered them.

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Sorry, still half asleep. My error beofre but I think both you and Otharus are wrong and that OD=hatred.

He gave them adama=breath then the OD refers to hatred, not life force.

Thâ hja blât kêmon spisde Wr.alda hjam mith sina âdama; til thju tha ma^enneska an him skolde bvnden wêsa. Ring as hja rip wêron krêjon hja früchda a^end nochta anda drâma Wr.aldas. Od trâd to-ra binna:

Actually I think OD as, maybe not quite hatred, but what odr is - that is fury or rage found it's way among them.

Why is this so hard to think this is correct. It's obviously what's happening. Frya, Finda and Lyda do not like each other - so why is this being questioned anyway - seems obvious OD is rage or hatred.

Lyda, Frya and Finda seem to have rage towards each other.

So, imo, hatred is not really wrong, even though I would put 'fury' or 'rage'.

Hatred found its way among them = fury found it's way among them.

Hardly some sweet spirit or life force. Quite simply they hate each other.

Treacherous Finda! One wrong word would irritate her, and the cruellest deeds did not affect her. If she saw a lizard swallow a spider, she shuddered; but if she saw her children kill a Frisian, her bosom swelled with pleasure.

Edited by The Puzzler, 07 October 2012 - 02:40 PM.

[Abramelin]

The Puzzler, on 07 October 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

Oh yeah, sorry, still half asleep.

Actually I think OD as, maybe not quite hatred, but what odr is - that is fury or rage found it's way among them.

Why is this so hard to think this is correct. It's obviously what's happening. Frya, Finda and Lyda do not like each other - so why is this being questioned anyway - seems obvious OD is rage or hatred.

Lyda, Frya and Finda seem to have rage towards each other.

So, imo, hatred is not really wrong, even though I would put 'rage'.

I don't see any 'rage' in that mythological part of the OLB story.

The mutual hostilities between their 'children started later.

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin, on 07 October 2012 - 02:36 PM, said:

I don't see any 'rage' in that mythological part of the OLB story.

The mutual hostilities between their 'children started later.

See my edit, which you might have missed, it goes on next to describe them, Finda loves it when Frisians (Fryans) get killed.
They hate each other, seems fairly logical and obvious really.

[Abramelin]

OK, I read it now.

So what you are essentially saying is that Wralda was the cause of the animosity between the Fryans, Findas, and Lydans, he caused their children to hate each other.

That's an interesting twist, lol.

I have always automatically assumed that Ottema was wrong with his translation.

But if you are right, it will open a can of wurms....

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Edited by Abramelin, 07 October 2012 - 03:19 PM.

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin, on 07 October 2012 - 03:13 PM, said:

OK, I read it now.

So what you are essentially saying is that Wralda was the cause of the animosity between the Fryans, Findas, and Lydans, he caused their children to hate each other.

That's an interesting twist, lol.

No, it doesn't say that.

He created them, breathed his spirit in them, and then hatred found it's way among them. Seperate sentence. Like kids, I have 3, jealousy is rife in kids, naturally, it can lend itself to hatred if not kept in check - ie; Cain and Abel.

When the last came into existence, Wr-alda breathed his spirit upon her in order that men might be bound to him. As soon as they were full grown they took pleasure and delight in the visions of Wr-alda.

Hatred found its way among them.

[Abramelin]

Od trâd to-ra binna: aend nw bârdon ek twilif svna aend twilif togathera ek joltid twên. Thêrof send alle maenneska kêmen.

Od trad tot'r binnen, en nu baarden elk twaalf zonen and twaalf dochters, elke joltijd een tweeling. Daaraf (Daarvandaan) zijn alle mensen gekomen.

Od entered them, and now they gave birth to 12 sons and 12 daughters, each yuletife a twin. From there all humans came.


If OD means 'hatred', It doesn't make sense to what follows directly.

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Edited by Abramelin, 07 October 2012 - 03:37 PM.

[Abramelin]

It looks like this OD makes them fertile, and makes them able to give birth.

[Abramelin]

Did you know that at this very moment, in 3 unrelated threads, people are talking about a Sky Father (here Wralda) and an Earth Mother (here Irtha) ??

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=235392

http://www.unexplain...0

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin, on 07 October 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

It looks like this OD makes them fertile, and makes them able to give birth.

Yeah, OK, I get what you mean then. I'm awake now...

I see odr is meaning 'possession'  then this leads to spirit possession, which is a way to say Gods spirit entered them. Virgin conception after they delighted in visions of Wralda.

Ï wouldn't use life force then, nor hatred, but rather 'spirit' seems to fit the best. It happens at more than one Juultime too.

The Old Norse noun óðr may be the origin of the theonym Óðinn (Anglicized as Odin), and it means "mind", "soul" or "spirit"

Edited by The Puzzler, 07 October 2012 - 03:49 PM.

[The Puzzler]

Abramelin, on 07 October 2012 - 03:46 PM, said:

Did you know that at this very moment, in 3 unrelated threads, people are talking about a Sky Father (here Wralda) and an Earth Mother (here Irtha) ??

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=235392

http://www.unexplain...0

No, lol, the all powerful forces of the Universe are at work.

[Abramelin]

Qiuck, let's erect an Irminsul, or else the heavens will fall upon us (again/OLB)

It's the right time of the year.

I will take care of the mead for the pole (but I can't promise it will all end up on that pole,lol).

[Abramelin]

The Puzzler, on 07 October 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

Yeah, OK, I get what you mean then. I'm awake now...

I see odr is meaning 'possession'  then this leads to spirit possession, which is a way to say Gods spirit entered them. Virgin conception after they delighted in visions of Wralda.

Ï wouldn't use life force then, nor hatred, but rather 'spirit' seems to fit the best. It happens at more than one Juultime too.

The Old Norse noun óðr may be the origin of the theonym Óðinn (Anglicized as Odin), and it means "mind", "soul" or "spirit"

The problem with 'spirit' is that Wralda gave them his 'breath' (of life), or ADEMA (or what was the OLB word?).

What would be the difference?

And that spirit/OD/life-force/whatever entered them only once, and from then on they multiplied like rabbits.