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#406    synchronomy

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:10 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 13 October 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

You aren't missing anything useful.  This is a clip from perhaps the worst documentary ever put together on the subject.  Larry Lowe completely misrepresents what transpired and utilizes deceptive strawman arguments throughout the whole thing.  He deserves a place on the UFO Hall of Shame for this appalling documentary.
That doesn't make me feel better.
Now I just want to see it all the more!

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:11 PM

View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 13 October 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

And there won't be any concrete, written in stone, absolute scientific proof that this event was an alien spacecraft.  However, instead of acknowledging that the 'proof' suggesting it was all explainable, you and people like you have automatically closed the case and in your minds.   The evidence given suggesting it was planes in the earlier sighting is not iron clad at all.  You're wanting proof positive that this event was ET related and you can't provide that same irrefutable proof that it wasn't.

It isn't about proof and evidence with them--never was.  It's all about how to spin this story, dismiss the UFO witnesses and throw out various smokescreens and phony "explanations" so no one will take any of it seriously.

The last thing the "skeptics" care about is what's true.  LOL.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 13 October 2012 - 08:11 PM.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:20 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

Never take his word for ANYTHING.  Just watch it and judge for yourselves while ignoring the "skeptical" spin and filtering.  It's all a big smokescreen of BS anyway.

By all means watch the documentary if you want to see a weasel at work.

Should I take this to be a glowing recommendation from you regarding this documentary McG?  Do you stand behind what is shown, stated, and represented in this one McG?


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:22 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

It isn't about proof and evidence with them--never was.  It's all about how to spin this story, dismiss the UFO witnesses and throw out various smokescreens and phony "explanations" so no one will take any of it seriously.

The last thing the "skeptics" care about is what's true.  LOL.

The irony of that whole post is astounding.

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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:23 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 13 October 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

By all means watch the documentary if you want to see a weasel at work.

Should I take this to be a glowing recommendation from you regarding this documentary McG?  Do you stand behind what is shown, stated, and represented in this one McG?


When you disagree with it so vehemently, that's a good indication that there's probably something to it.

View PostSlave2Fate, on 13 October 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

The irony of that whole post is astounding.

You don't astound me at all.  I think I know exactly what to expect.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:25 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 13 October 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

That doesn't make me feel better.
Now I just want to see it all the more!

Feel free.  Watch the whole thing, and please let us know what you think of it. :)



View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

It isn't about proof and evidence with them--never was.  It's all about how to spin this story, dismiss the UFO witnesses and throw out various smokescreens and phony "explanations" so no one will take any of it seriously.

The last thing the "skeptics" care about is what's true.  LOL.

I'm growing tired of your character assassination techniques McGuffin.  Is that all you have in this discussion?  Ad Hominems followed by Ad Hominems?  It does seem to be your primary focus here.  Trying to undermine the very character of those who offer a different perspective than the one you protect so vehemently.  Haven't you figured out that this actually makes you look bad?


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:27 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 08:23 PM, said:


When you disagree with it so vehemently, that's a good indication that there's probably something to it.


Why is that?  Because I would be "in the know" if there was something to hide from the general public?  It seems to be what you are insinuating.

Back to my question though.  Do you stand behind this documentary?  Do you consider it to be a reliable source of information portrayed objectively?


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:28 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 13 October 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

Feel free.  Watch the whole thing, and please let us know what you think of it. :)

I'm growing tired of your character assassination techniques McGuffin.  Is that all you have in this discussion?  Ad Hominems followed by Ad Hominems?  It does seem to be your primary focus here.  Trying to undermine the very character of those who offer a different perspective than the one you protect so vehemently.  Haven't you figured out that this actually makes you look bad?


No, that's not how I see it at all.  You always want to make this about yourself, but it's much bigger than me and you.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:28 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 13 October 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

The irony of that whole post is astounding.

Isn't it though?


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:30 PM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

No, that's not how I see it at all.  You always want to make this about yourself, but it's much bigger than me and you.

Oh that's rich.  :lol:


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:32 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 13 October 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

There is nothing absurd or ridiculous about it.  She's a very intelligent lady.  I genuinely like her as a human being.  I think she has a great heart, nothing but the purest of intentions, and I fully respect her beliefs.  None of that changes the fact that much of her photography and videos are nothing more than illumination flares.  If she feels spiritually enriched by them, I hope that the BGR continues operations indefinitely in order to provide her with more inspiration and warm fuzzy feelings.  I'm not opposed to that in any way.

What a sarcastic and condescending way to infer that she's crazy.  All those nice words of praise for Dr. Kitei, intelligent, genuine, sincere, BUT she's still a looney, right? Nice. :no:

View PostbooNyzarC, on 13 October 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

   Perception is an amazingly complex thing, especially when something takes us by surprise, is indistinct, and/or is only there for a fleeting time.  Intelligence has nothing to do with it.  Not any more than it has to do with being startled when someone waits for you to round a corner and says "boo!"

And with this statement you're basically saying that it was a mass hallucination or a perception problem that is responsible for the 1000's of witness reports.  This is a common theory used by the skeptics, too bad it doesn't make a lot of sense.  Again, if the numbers of witnesses was much smaller, then yes maybe.  It's a nonsensical argument considering the number of witnesses in the case.    

If you re-watch the video I posted at the beginning of the topic, you'll see that there were 1000's of witnesses.  Dr. Kitei mentions that she herself called back over 700 of the witnesses.  She and others returned all the phone calls they received over a 3 month period.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:34 PM

There are actually three parts of that National Geographic documentary, and here are the first two.  

The UFO could have been as big as a mile across, and they even brought in a group of real scientists (not these "skeptics") to try to figure out what this spacecraft really was.  Certainly the military didn't know what it was, at least they didn't admit to it.







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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:36 PM

View PostbooNyzarC, on 13 October 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Oh that's rich.  :lol:

Just wade past all this flotsam and jetsam and look at the real evidence.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:43 PM

I'm pretty sure I've seen that National Geographic program, but I'm not able to view it either.  I will have to go through a proxy server to watch it later and I would like to see it again to refresh my memory.


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Posted 13 October 2012 - 08:46 PM

View PostBionic Bigfoot, on 13 October 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure I've seen that National Geographic program, but I'm not able to view it either.  I will have to go through a proxy server to watch it later and I would like to see it again to refresh my memory.

Like I said, you can expect all the Internet restrictions to keep getting worse, since there are some very powerful interests working hard on that.





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