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#91    psyche101

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:51 AM

View PostMrSerendipity, on 21 April 2013 - 06:01 PM, said:

We already know from Einstein's laws that it isn't possible to travel at or even near the speed of light. According to Einstein the mass of an object increases as it accelerates and at the speed of light its mass would fill the entire universe. So light speed travel in the normal sense will only ever be science fiction. It has, however, been proposed that if it were possible to compress the gravitational field in front of a craft and to expand the gravitational field behind it it would then be possible to travel through the 'fabric of space' at even faster than light speed and the time on board the craft would remain in sync with the earth. I think that will be the future of interstellar travel and is most likely the means that is used by the ETs, if they really exist!

There are even more ideals than the Alcubierrie drive, the main problem with this one is although Alcubierrie did the maths, it stops there. We do not know where to begin building this concept.



We can actually reach the centre of the Milky Way Galaxy in theory in a mere 12 years using length contraction and time dilation. Some food for thought :D

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:01 AM

Well, rather than believe some tidy little made up hypothesis of why it didn't happen, I think I will favor someone who was actually there:




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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:09 AM

View PostScudbuster, on 22 April 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

Well, rather than believe some tidy little made up hypothesis of why it didn't happen, I think I will favor someone who was actually there:




How about Bessie Brazel, who is one of the witnesses and never changed her story.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:28 AM

View PostScudbuster, on 22 April 2013 - 02:01 AM, said:

Well, rather than believe some tidy little made up hypothesis of why it didn't happen, I think I will favor someone who was actually there:




I cannot see the clip, can anyone enlighten me of what is is?

Who is still alive and saw the debris? What does she say? Hint - See Bades post. I have her affidavit on the page previous if you care to check it out, I suggest you cast an eye over Irving Newtons statement while you are there.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 02:34 AM

Roswell is what it is,A Disinformation story end of Book !

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 03:39 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 April 2013 - 02:28 AM, said:



I cannot see the clip, can anyone enlighten me of what is is?

Who is still alive and saw the debris? What does she say? Hint - See Bades post. I have her affidavit on the page previous if you care to check it out, I suggest you cast an eye over Irving Newtons statement while you are there.

It's the interview duboise, and, no, nothing new.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:09 AM

View Postbadeskov, on 22 April 2013 - 03:39 AM, said:

It's the interview duboise, and, no, nothing new.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Thanks Bade

I thought it might have been one of the Marcels, but cannot see it.

That would be this bloke :D



GTD’ denote Gen.Thomas DuBose:


JHS: There are two researchers (Don Schmitt and Kevin Randle) who are presently saying that the debris in General Ramey’s office had been swtiched and that you men had a weather balloon there.
GTD: Oh Bull! That material was never switched!
JHS: So what you’re saying is that the material in General Ramey’s office was the actual debris brought from Roswell?
GTD: That’s absolutely right.
JHS: Could General Ramey or someone else have ordered a switch without you knowing it?
GTD: I have damn good eyesight - well, it was better back then than it is now - and I was there, and I had charge of that material, and it was never switched [Emphasis added.]


Korff goes on with this, writing, "In a third interview conducted a couple of weeks later by Shandera while visiting DuBose’s home in Florida, the general related the following details:


JHS: Now as to this Roswell business - let’s begin with when Jesse Marcel came
over from Roswell with this material.

GTD: Yes. Well, as best I can recall, I met the airplane that came in from Roswell and I took a canvas mail pouch with this debris over to General Ramey’s office...
JHS: Did you see additional debris on the plane?
GTD: No, I was just handed this canvas mail pouch with the stuff in it, and headed[i]straight to Roger’s [General Ramey’s] office. [Emphasis added.]
JHS: Now again, these other researchers (Schmitt, Randle and Friedman) are saying that you guys switched this stuff and that this stuff was some kind of a weather balloon, and that you did that to fool the press and the press never saw the real stuff.
GTD: Nah.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 04:15 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 22 April 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

Guns blazing huh psyche? :lol: :tu:
When they let him outa the ward, and he  gets his internet time ... yep then he explodes


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 05:58 AM

View PostZeta Reticulum, on 22 April 2013 - 04:15 AM, said:

When they let him outa the ward, and he  gets his internet time ... yep then he explodes

All over your claims LOL.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 09:20 AM

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Things are what they are. - Me Reality can't be debunked. That's the beauty of it. - Capeo 'If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.' - Sir Isaac Newton. "Let me repeat the lesson learned from the Sturrock scientific review panel: Pack up your old data and forget it. Ufology needs new data, new cases, new rigorous and scientific methodologies if it hopes ever to get out of its pit." Ed Stewart. Youtube is the last refuge of the ignorant and is more often used for disinformation than genuine research.  There is a REASON for PEER REVIEW... - Chrlzs. Nothing is inexplicable, just unexplained. - Sir Wearer of Hats.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 09:22 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 April 2013 - 05:58 AM, said:

All over your claims LOL.


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 09:45 AM

There has been too much quoting since my last reply to go back and do the point and counter point thing, especially with p101.  What I will say is pretty brief and simple;

p101 says that I am operating on an opinion or popular media belief in the Roswell myth.  Which is pretty funny, considering that we humans all have an opinion on any given topic one way or the other.  It seems as though p101 is content to ridicule those who have contradictory beliefs to his own, which is fine.  Not everyone will agree on topics especially ones as controversially debated as the "Roswell incident" as it is referred to.  I could spend hours upon hours finding documents online and doing the point by point debate much like p101 does well.  I very rarely post on here and when I do, it is simply for fun and discussing of these unexplained mysteries[which is the point of this forum, is it not?].  I liken Mr. P101 to a scientific debate team leader, he loves the being the guy who knows everything, despite the fact that much of us are operating under our own set of beliefs.  Which in itself makes the ridiculing thing quite childish.

I will say this as well, to dismiss guys like George Knapp, Philip Corso, Jesse Marcel, and Stanton Friedman is quite oblivious and ignorant.  These guys had direct knowledge of the actual events[Marcel and Corso] and the others like Knapp & Friedman have spent considerable amounts of time researching this topic.  Just read "The Day After Roswell" by Philip Corso or "Alien Agenda" by Jim Marrs.  These books offer not only circumstantial evidence that the Roswell event was indeed a UFO related happening, but also compile the best of UFO sightings and abductions and other topics related to the overall scope of everything that ties back into Roswell.  And last, but not least, is J. Allen Hynek.  He was the governments researcher into all of these UFO cases on Project Blue Book who went in as an admitted skeptic and became a believer.  He seen these cases up close and personally investigated them as they happened.  How do you explain an admitted skeptic like Hynek becoming a believer?  No, that does not support Roswell that Mr. Hynek believed there was something to the phenomena, but it does tie back into the event indirectly.  It all started with Kenneth Arnold and Roswell.  Those were the two main events that started the UFO field of research.  And I'm quite sure p101 will counter that Hynek was a nut or that his research didn't matter or whatever the counterpoint may be.  The mere fact that we have multiple investigators doing independent research and coming up with similar results is telling.  To keep dismissing all of the circumstantial evidence on Roswell and other UFO incidents is quite arrogant and contrary to finding the truth, whatever that may be.  

Edited by conspiracy buff, 22 April 2013 - 09:47 AM.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 10:51 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 April 2013 - 04:09 AM, said:

Thanks Bade

I thought it might have been one of the Marcels, but cannot see it.

That would be this bloke :D



GTD’ denote Gen.Thomas DuBose:


JHS: There are two researchers (Don Schmitt and Kevin Randle) who are presently saying that the debris in General Ramey’s office had been swtiched and that you men had a weather balloon there.
GTD: Oh Bull! That material was never switched!
JHS: So what you’re saying is that the material in General Ramey’s office was the actual debris brought from Roswell?
GTD: That’s absolutely right.
JHS: Could General Ramey or someone else have ordered a switch without you knowing it?
GTD: I have damn good eyesight - well, it was better back then than it is now - and I was there, and I had charge of that material, and it was never switched [Emphasis added.]


Korff goes on with this, writing, "In a third interview conducted a couple of weeks later by Shandera while visiting DuBose’s home in Florida, the general related the following details:


JHS: Now as to this Roswell business - let’s begin with when Jesse Marcel came
over from Roswell with this material.
GTD: Yes. Well, as best I can recall, I met the airplane that came in from Roswell and I took a canvas mail pouch with this debris over to General Ramey’s office...
JHS: Did you see additional debris on the plane?
GTD: No, I was just handed this canvas mail pouch with the stuff in it, and headed[i]straight to Roger’s [General Ramey’s] office. [Emphasis added.]
JHS: Now again, these other researchers (Schmitt, Randle and Friedman) are saying that you guys switched this stuff and that this stuff was some kind of a weather balloon, and that you did that to fool the press and the press never saw the real stuff.
GTD: Nah.

LINK

This is not the dialog in the video I posted.....


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Posted 22 April 2013 - 12:00 PM

View Postpsyche101, on 22 April 2013 - 01:21 AM, said:



Posted Today, 02:21 AM


Posted ImageMrSerendipity, on 19 April 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:


I don't think they had polaroids in 1947! :no:



:yes:

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"The Polaroid Corporation was founded in 1937 by Edwin H. Land. It is most famous for its instant film cameras, which reached the market in 1948, and continued to be the company's flaghip product line." Link here: http://camerapedia.w...m/wiki/Polaroid


"1948: Instant photography goes on sale to the public for the first time with the Polaroid Model 95, which gets its name from its $95 starting price." Link here:http://www.stuff.tv/...-instant-camera

"The introduction of the Polaroid Land camera, in 1948, marks the beginning of the brand's legacy in instant photography." Link here:http://www.polaroid.com.au/history

Edited by MrSerendipity, 22 April 2013 - 12:02 PM.

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Posted 22 April 2013 - 01:07 PM

View PostRafterman, on 21 April 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Saying Stanton Friedman is a "scientist" is a bit of a stretch.  A more accurate description is that he was a bench physicist with only a masters degree who worked for GE for 14 years.  For almost 40 years now, he's been a "UFO expert" and author.  So to claim he is a "scientist" or even a nuclear physicist is laughable.

The guy is a kook and a charlatan who does questionable investigations and manufacture stories in order to sell books.

And yes, I would gladly debate him on the subject of UFOs and I know I would win because, well, there are no UFOs.

You are wrong and very wrong. For your information, Stanton Friedman is a BSc. and a MSc. in physics and he worked for 14 years with such companies as GE, GM, Westinghouse, TRW Systems, Aerojet General Nucleonics, and McDonnell Douglas in such highly advanced, classified, eventually cancelled programs as nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and various compact nuclear power plants for space and terrestrial applications. So a 'bench scientist'? Come on wise up! Please try to make sure that your brain is in gear before operating hand or mouth! :rofl: Oh, and 'there are no UFOs' aren't there? A typical example of 'informing by proclamation' without studying the evidence! I am sure if it came to a debate between you and Stan that he would talk you under the table easily!

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