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[Mr Right Wing]

King Cobra 1408, on 14 January 2013 - 08:21 PM, said:

nice!:)how much is going to be though?like i said before  anybody could come up with new inventions and discoveries but if the prices are too expensive and lets say pretty much the only people that could basically afford it are rich or wealthy people then that suck and that terrible.i have noticed for a long time the rich only help the rich,the poor stay poor and the middle class keeps getting screwed by the these mistakes and etc by the government.these are interesting discoveries but theres already atural ways to reverse aging though.i think the only reason you guys come out with these fancy reverse aging things you guys come up with is so we could depend more on you guys."control"

Your lifespan is like a candle. The faster it burns the less time you have on this earth.

You slow the candle down by -
1. Reducing your metabolism - This means keeping at optimum temperature, eating less, doing less, drinking less and less stress.
2. Reducing Oxidative stress - Eating vitamin C and reducing iron intake. Eating high quality proteins such as Whey instead of animal or plant proteins.
3. Low calorie diet with full nutrition - Decreases your insulin levels which upregulate your dna repair genes (SIRT1 to SIRT7).

Your add to your candle by -
1. Estrogen - Drinking whole cows milk, eating soya and eating legumes such as baked beans. Being overweight increases estrogen too but puts you at risk of health problems such as heart disease.
2. B vitamins - Not as effectve as estrogen but have an effect.
3. Exercise - Damage caused during exercise makes your cells more resistant to future damage (SIRT1 to SIRT7 again).

You dont need expensive drugs as they only mimic what all of the above do. A simple lifestyle and diet change is enough.

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 14 January 2013 - 09:52 PM.

[kwin]

****! I think I just heard a depopulation event get moved up the calender

[White Unicorn]

Mr Right Wing, on 14 January 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

The risk is there, not experimentally proved but expected by scientists.

To remove the risk you need to remove the dna damage from scenescence cells. Starvation destroys them (your body eats them first). We are talking probabilities I'm afraid. You'd need to get the probability low before consuming estradiol so alternate day starvation diet with sufficent nutrition. Or wait until the scientists figure out how to get a virus or your immune system to target just these cells.

I think you are on target. I posted this in Immortals and have a theory how this may be accomplished.
All life either evolves or disintegrates because of time and it is a continuous process. I will say I have proved to myself some people have lived more or less with a middle age appearance for quite a long long time and discovered some major secrets!  

Their is a group of people practicing more along the old alchemy teachings that I discovered and most people would have an interest in them on this thread! I know some do exist and live a seclusive life style and it is especially hard for them in a day and age of IDs and their secret not being discovered. And yes they are the elite with accumulated wealth but still do their own gardening, farming and even bee keeping. They still loose family members through accidental deaths and they usually end up moving around, taking on new names. I don't think they even know how the whole process really works since it was passed down to them. They seem very wise, believe life after death, but I don't think they practice any guru type of mysticism. I do know they use wines and elixers from distillations of plants, minerals and metals, avoid ALL our food and water supply that contains the "poisons" they know cause all aging and disease. I was told they also meditate. Since they all have been related it may be family genetics but I was told it didn't work that way because those who didn't practice the tradition died old and usually of cancer!

I was afraid at first when I discovered their existence, kind of thought they'd kill me or something since I stumbled on to their secret. I just know they shouldn't be identified and they seem friendly enough. They knew and liked my great grandparents and some other older family members. I probably shouldn't post this at all but I was so shocked by the discovery I had to come up with some sort of explaination about how they do it, it's facinating even though it's a really creepy alternate lifestyle.

I'm so intrigued and speculative on how it is achieved on a scientific level, but remember I'm not a biological researcher.

Let me explain how I think it might work.

Let us consider the cycles within the universe of the human body. It is deliquate balanced system of cells, proteins, bateria and viruses continuously. There are the genetic timers and the wear and tear and aging due to limited cell divisions and damage at the time of cell divisions. Even if the chemical balance was right, the human body is naturally still in a state of eventual decay from its peek maturation. I think the researches who seek to "turn something off" are barking up the wrong tree because the natural less damaged  cell divisions would still come to an end although delayed.

I believe this may be over come in different way! Along with a person of avoiding the so called free radicals by anti oxidents, something else has to be involved in the process. Cancer is a clue since it in itself behaves as an immortal type of cell. Imagine if normal beneficial cells could reproduce like cancer anywhere in the body without relying on certain specific stem cell functions. Cancer cells give chemical markers that cause the other normal cells which act as a group within a whole organ to die, more or less.

Our organs funtion mostly in specific groupings, they live,age, die and divide  in certain types of groups originating from a specific type of stem cell. I tend to think the current cancer research being done will lead to a sustainable non degeneration in the genetic make up from the grouping of organs and normal cells by the way they live and die as a group! When certain diseases are present, normal cell type groups commit suicide more or less because of chemical signals. In cancer, even healthy cells eventually die, usually at the same time and the mutant cancers cells are the "vampires" that live on and reproduce from the blood supply. They are useless and dangerous cells to the organism as a whole.

When normal cells reproduce it's more or less the same mitosis time cycle within certain groups, so what if they were more like a plant? Some plants or even some creatures such as some jelly fish can regenerate cells without that cellular time bomb of the mitosis that includes a degeneration to the newly formed cells. They don't have our genetically limited stem cell funtioning which doesn't reproduce different types of cells individually where they are needed in an adult.

I speculate that somehow, maybe even through a specific virual effect the genetic abilities of a plant cell function incorporates into the animal genome and becomes a new biological functioning system that sustains youthful regeneration and immunity. It actually becomes part animal and plant on a cellular level.  I think it would be a certain beneficial mix of flages and bacteria within the human body just like good enzymes exist in the body or beneficial bateria existence in the bowels.

What do you think?

Edited by White Unicorn, 15 January 2013 - 02:07 AM.

[notoverrated]

Coffey, on 14 January 2013 - 03:00 PM, said:

Unless you are very rich this won't be an option for the average person.

Also that's if they don't put huge restrictions on it or keep it hidden form the general public.

We are destroying this planet already with out population. I doubt we will ever see this kind of thing being standard until we are colonizing other planets or something.


Getting off this rock should be the first and only real priority right now as a race.

and where would we go?

[Mr Right Wing]

White Unicorn, on 15 January 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

I think you are on target. I posted this in Immortals and have a theory how this may be accomplished.
All life either evolves or disintegrates because of time and it is a continuous process. I will say I have proved to myself some people have lived more or less with a middle age appearance for quite a long long time and discovered some major secrets!  

Their is a group of people practicing more along the old alchemy teachings that I discovered and most people would have an interest in them on this thread! I know some do exist and live a seclusive life style and it is especially hard for them in a day and age of IDs and their secret not being discovered. And yes they are the elite with accumulated wealth but still do their own gardening, farming and even bee keeping. They still loose family members through accidental deaths and they usually end up moving around, taking on new names. I don't think they even know how the whole process really works since it was passed down to them. They seem very wise, believe life after death, but I don't think they practice any guru type of mysticism. I do know they use wines and elixers from distillations of plants, minerals and metals, avoid ALL our food and water supply that contains the "poisons" they know cause all aging and disease. I was told they also meditate. Since they all have been related it may be family genetics but I was told it didn't work that way because those who didn't practice the tradition died old and usually of cancer!

I was afraid at first when I discovered their existence, kind of thought they'd kill me or something since I stumbled on to their secret. I just know they shouldn't be identified and they seem friendly enough. They knew and liked my great grandparents and some other older family members. I probably shouldn't post this at all but I was so shocked by the discovery I had to come up with some sort of explaination about how they do it, it's facinating even though it's a really creepy alternate lifestyle.

I'm so intrigued and speculative on how it is achieved on a scientific level, but remember I'm not a biological researcher.

Let me explain how I think it might work.

Let us consider the cycles within the universe of the human body. It is deliquate balanced system of cells, proteins, bateria and viruses continuously. There are the genetic timers and the wear and tear and aging due to limited cell divisions and damage at the time of cell divisions. Even if the chemical balance was right, the human body is naturally still in a state of eventual decay from its peek maturation. I think the researches who seek to "turn something off" are barking up the wrong tree because the natural less damaged  cell divisions would still come to an end although delayed.

I believe this may be over come in different way! Along with a person of avoiding the so called free radicals by anti oxidents, something else has to be involved in the process. Cancer is a clue since it in itself behaves as an immortal type of cell. Imagine if normal beneficial cells could reproduce like cancer anywhere in the body without relying on certain specific stem cell functions. Cancer cells give chemical markers that cause the other normal cells which act as a group within a whole organ to die, more or less.

Our organs funtion mostly in specific groupings, they live,age, die and divide  in certain types of groups originating from a specific type of stem cell. I tend to think the current cancer research being done will lead to a sustainable non degeneration in the genetic make up from the grouping of organs and normal cells by the way they live and die as a group! When certain diseases are present, normal cell type groups commit suicide more or less because of chemical signals. In cancer, even healthy cells eventually die, usually at the same time and the mutant cancers cells are the "vampires" that live on and reproduce from the blood supply. They are useless and dangerous cells to the organism as a whole.

When normal cells reproduce it's more or less the same mitosis time cycle within certain groups, so what if they were more like a plant? Some plants or even some creatures such as some jelly fish can regenerate cells without that cellular time bomb of the mitosis that includes a degeneration to the newly formed cells. They don't have our genetically limited stem cell funtioning which doesn't reproduce different types of cells individually where they are needed in an adult.

I speculate that somehow, maybe even through a specific virual effect the genetic abilities of a plant cell function incorporates into the animal genome and becomes a new biological functioning system that sustains youthful regeneration and immunity. It actually becomes part animal and plant on a cellular level.  I think it would be a certain beneficial mix of flages and bacteria within the human body just like good enzymes exist in the body or beneficial bateria existence in the bowels.

What do you think?

The Golden Dawn has a disgusting secret and its name even gives it away.

They practice drinking their golden coloured urine when they wake up in the morning believing it leads to longetivity and health. From a chemistry point of view this morning stream contains high levels of hormones and vitamins. Estrogen is also excreted into the urine and if that wasnt enough the female urine is more potent in its concentrations.

This secret isnt actually hidden because even the Bible tells people to 'drink waters from thy own cistern'.

[Coffey]

notoverrated, on 15 January 2013 - 09:37 AM, said:

and where would we go?

Well that is what space exploration would cover, finding somewhere else to move some of our population.

This planet is suffering because of us and it's not fair on the rest of the living creatures or the planet itself.

[burt_ie]

Comming soon to a private clinic...shame only the supper rich will be able to afford it.

[spartan max2]

Coffey, on 15 January 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Well that is what space exploration would cover, finding somewhere else to move some of our population.

This planet is suffering because of us and it's not fair on the rest of the living creatures or the planet itself.

Wouldent we just do the same to the next rock we find? We can change places but if we dont change there is no point.

[White Unicorn]

Mr Right Wing, on 15 January 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

The Golden Dawn has a disgusting secret and its name even gives it away.

They practice drinking their golden coloured urine when they wake up in the morning believing it leads to longetivity and health. From a chemistry point of view this morning stream contains high levels of hormones and vitamins. Estrogen is also excreted into the urine and if that wasnt enough the female urine is more potent in its concentrations.

This secret isnt actually hidden because even the Bible tells people to 'drink waters from thy own cistern'.

I heard of that too.  I remember some Indian guru on TV drinking his, I think it was on the Johnny Carson Show if I remember right! Now days pharmaceutical put horse urine in pills put a high price tag on it and give it to women and call it science LOL
I would think the people practicing the old family tradition successfully are distilling other things beside urine though.

[Jenny Jane]

This could be awesome or dangerous. Time will tell.